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2019-03-30, 06:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Awesome, thanks! I got the impression that there are a fair number of alternate archetypes or archetypesque options in 3.5e but they often aren't available in the SRD online? I just kind of assumed there might be something like that O-Chul has.
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2019-03-30, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
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2019-03-31, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Is there any indication of Redcloak’s int? He generally comes across as having more than the average cleric/person but I can’t think of much specific.
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2019-03-31, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Purely from the comic, I would guess he'd be around Roy or Haley's level.
It also says Xykon has ~15, so that should provide some sort of base reference. I feel like it's been concretely mentioned somewhere that RC's smarter/tactically knows more than his boss, but I can't pinpoint. (so just ignore it, I suppose)
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2019-03-31, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Cylinder should get iirc +3 pts for age and +2 for lich, so ~15 if he started at 10,but he was a dumbass when he was young so I wouldn’t be surprised if he started life with a negative int modifier. It’s hard to compare because X and RC have very different approaches, with RC being extremely methodical and Xykon not really caring. Cylinder still has the moron’s just blast away approach as his default even though he’s gained a decent amount of intelligence. Overall I think Redcloak has higher int than Xykon, but not by a huge margin.
I would guess people have different takes based on their relationship, my interpretation is that when it comes to manipulating each other Xykon is smart enough to come up with a decent plan but his strongest point is using his extremely high charisma to emotionally manipulate Redcloak and keep him where he wants him in that sense. Whereas Redcloak’s strength is putting his higher int/wis scores into long term planning.
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2019-03-31, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
Sooo...15+, then?
But yeah, I definitely get the "emotionally manipulative" sht-eating vibe from Xykon. He literally traps souls out of spite.
In honesty, this might be a passable metric -- it's genuinely almost impossible to imagine X thinking three steps ahead. But I don't know if the intelligence is because of their Lawful or Chaotic alignments or just raw scores.
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2019-03-31, 04:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
I think that both shows RC is a pretty smart strategist and that Xykon doesn’t really care about strategy to start with. I can imagine Xykon being as low as 13 based on his pre-lichification behavior (spoiler alert I guess younger Xykon’s evil plans were easily foiled, and teen Xykon failed math 3 times). At least 14 for RC seems like a reasonable guess especially if that’s Roy’s lower limit (I generally get the impression Redcloak is at least as smart as Roy if not more so).
Redcloak seems to use a lot of knowledge skills for a cleric, but that could just be him prioritizing those things. I don’t think we’ve seen it but I’d be shocked if he didn’t have a very high knowledge (religion) given that religion is very interesting and important to him and he’s also a nerd.
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2019-03-31, 07:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
No, but I think in 3.5 DND it was a term more used for psionicists due to their ability to effectively cast more high-level powers than their arcane counterparts at the cost of not having anything in reserve. A level 20 wizard, no accounting for other stuff like intelligence boosts, "only" got 4 level 9 spells, while a similar calculated level 20 psionicist could effectively cast the equivalent of 17-20, depending how much you boosted the power. The Psionicist suffered from the fact that they couldn't really cast anything else while the wizard would still have 32 non-level 9 spells, and their spells auto-scaled their damage unlike the psionicist's powers.
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2019-03-31, 08:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-31, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, there is the whole Book of 9 Swords, which was a serious attempt to power up melee types so they weren't completely out-paced by full casters. Otherwise, you're looking at the PHB2 or DMG2 for the basics, or the Rules Compendium for a lot of stuff being kind of collated together. And there is a LOT of stuff, because 3X really had a problem with splatbloat.
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2019-03-31, 10:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-31, 10:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
And it kept claiming that right up until it ODed on the stuff.
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2019-03-31, 10:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-03-31, 11:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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To be fair, the original 3 LBBs are still swanning about, so it's not like that's unusual or anything.
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2019-04-01, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
I see we already named Durkon's new hammer, but what are the stats on it? Anyone know? (I'm guessing +4 or +5 Returning Shocking Burst at a minimum?)
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2019-04-01, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
As far as we can guess, the hammer is a Hammer of Thunderbolts (ctrl+f to find it).
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2019-04-01, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-01, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Undead are immune to stunning, though; I'm not sure what effect we'd see. (Although I wonder if a nightcrawler's "Owww!" can drown out a "great noise, like a clap of thunder".)Last edited by Jasdoif; 2019-04-01 at 12:37 PM.
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2019-04-01, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Can we use the breath weapon to give V minimum ranks in concentration? Itd be 17+damage dealt.
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2019-04-01, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cone of cold at the nightcrawler’s CL 25 deals min 15 points of damage. 17+15=32, meaning 12+ (not accounting for any CON penalty or possibly feats)
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2019-04-01, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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I assume that Minrah will have her deceased status revoked as soon as she next appears, even though it was made explicitly clear that she should reappear?
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2019-04-01, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not unless Thor himself is carrying around some random hammer.
Also, the first line says "This +3 Large returning Warhammer..."Last edited by Peelee; 2019-04-01 at 09:06 PM.
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2019-04-02, 09:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
The Hammer of Thunderbolts probably is inspired by Mjolnir, just not the Mjolnir.
Also two questions: I thought Returning weapons took a round to come back, so does that mean either the Giant handwaved that or this has an improved version of that ability?; and if this really is a Hammer of Thunderbolts, how the heck is Durkon using it in one hand?Cool elan Illithid Slayer by linkele.
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2019-04-02, 09:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-02, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XVI - These Characters May Now Drive the Plot
A medium character can wield a large weapon with a penalty to their attacks.
But those penalties are more than made up for with the stacking strength bonuses from the gloves and belt of strength.Last edited by Resileaf; 2019-04-02 at 09:52 AM.
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2019-04-02, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-02, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-02, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly, how many times have we quoted the rules text for the Hammer of Thunderbolts by now? It's got to be over a dozen.
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2019-04-02, 09:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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23.
Trust me, I didn't count.
Anyone notice that if the Frost Giant ambush occurred after Durkon had been revived (choose whatever reason you want to explain how or why that would happen) that they would be a minor threat with a couple of buffs since Durkon could fling the hammer and OHKO each of them, if one at a time?Last edited by Squire Doodad; 2019-04-02 at 09:38 PM.
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