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2019-08-26, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 11:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
I just loved how this comic nailed the "gods are forced into being what they are by the belief of mortals" thing, and how that relates to the title just as much as Thor's final line. They may be all-powerful and the makers of the world, but the mortals also control them.
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2019-08-26, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Except we know the answer to the god and the goblin. The goblin predated the divine life of the Dark One by the lifespan of one goblin. And beyond that, the Dark One as we know it is a divine form of a purple goblin of the Eastern Continent. At some point, an almost-god goblin ascended with what we would consider a bunch of devoted worshippers.
Edited to correct some factual errors that degraded my attempt to be funny.Last edited by Garwain; 2019-08-26 at 11:34 AM.
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2019-08-26, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
On the bright side, I think Durkon's chance of remaining a statue is around zero.
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2019-08-26, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
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2019-08-26, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
One thing this strip makes me think about is the possibility of Gods that just never got involved. They would be way weaker then the current gods, but not wanting to lose your identity is a legit reason not to be involved in universe making.
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2019-08-26, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
I just wanted to pop in to say that Thor's quote in the last panel...
*sigh* Well Durkon... now we're even, I guess.
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2019-08-26, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 11:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Wait, how did Loki not see Hel's plan coming? They blow up the world and claim the souls every time the Snarl doesn't get to them first, so it should be obvious that letting Hel claim a disproportionate share of souls would give her a big boost, especially to someone with divine mental capacity. And it doesn't even necessarily require Hel's involvement: if the Dark One were yellow, red, or blue, Loki would have voted to destroy the world himself without Hel lifting a finger. Did he not expect the dwarf population to get so large? Did he not bother to do the comparison of their population to 1/17th of the rest of the Northern population?
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2019-08-26, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
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Ceterum autem censeo Hilgya malefica est
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2019-08-26, 11:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wait a minute, Hel doesn’t know Loki’s motivation because he can’t tell her and she wouldn’t trust Thor. Are these two the only Northern Gods trying to make peace with the Dark One? Out of 18? This is worse than I thought...
Because he wanted to see what would happen. He did it purely for the lulz. Trying to guess what she would do would spoil his fun.Forum Wisdom
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2019-08-26, 11:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
This may be another reason why Clerics are important to Gods. Trough the Clerics, the Gods can shape the way Mortals believe them to be, and thus keep their identity.
Not being involved would be, in fact, the worst course of action. Because that means you are letting the clerics of the other Gods to influence how mortals believe you are.
Which, if you think about it, may be one more problem Hel is facing in this world's tenure. She has no clerics to tell people how great she is, there are only clerics telling people she is a lame lazy godess that doesn't even care about granting spells.
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2019-08-26, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Someone who is literally incapable of telling the truth would be bad at deception because that would make them predictable. Being predictable is a poor quality for a trickster god. An actual trickster could switch between truth telling and lying in such a way that you can never be sure if they're lying or not, but that requires that they are also capable of honesty at times.
EDIT: And also if Loki is literally incapable of telling the truth, I am unclear about how Hilgaya's prayer to learn Durkon's location was answered.
EDIT 2: Wait, "honesty" and "lies" - those might not be the same thing. ...If by "incapable of honesty", do you mean "is technically capable of telling the truth, but only in a way which furthers dishonesty"?Last edited by Stabbey; 2019-08-26 at 11:36 AM.
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So if everyone knows he always lies ,... doesn't tha means , but ...he
So we now know why there aren't many Loki clerics around - you need 18 + intelligence to work out his logic
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2019-08-26, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
I was thinking Loki might count also an unknown number of dead believers whose Belief he hasn't fully digested yet (so it still shapes him).
Telling the truth and being honest are not the same thing. I think Loki is capable of saying the truth when it furthers his scheme; he can mix in truth with lies to deliver the dishonest message.Last edited by Hekko; 2019-08-26 at 11:32 AM.
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2019-08-26, 11:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
The problem with a Trickster is that they can lie in many different forms, which means you need to guess right. Sometimes, even stating the truth can be a lie, depending on phrasing and intonation (the five of us never left these cells, and your locks are defective).
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2019-08-26, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
The outside wall/boundary/whatever of Hel's personal domain, I presume.
Also, Loki's motivations for The Bet are the worst of the various theroies I'd entertained: just for the lulz, no attempt to teach Hel a lesson (however ugly the means chosen), no long term plan to keep a dangerous loose-cannon in check. Just classic "Loki's an ass for no real reason." (Not a criticism of the writing, just an observation of the character.)
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2019-08-26, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
"Honesty" is a broader concept than "not lying." If Loki tells the truth in the cause of trickery, he is still not being honest. Walking back in there and laying his cards on the table and coming clean requires more than just not lying, it requires total honesty. And thus he cannot do it.
In other words: Loki can tell the truth to deceive someone, but he wouldn't be wanting to deceive Hel in this instance—so he can't tell the truth. It also means that he couldn't find some way to lie for the purposes of genuinely enlightening her. His intent matters more than the truth value of the words coming out of his mouth.
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2019-08-26, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-08-26, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
Welp. There goes any sliver of hope that Loki had a remotely passable reason for this whole bet. Chances were slim to begin with since it's Loki, but since he's been portrayed as quite reasonable up until now, I was hoping he'd have a proper endgame.
It's officially "For the lulz, oh wait, a new quiddity, you say?"
I want to say that threatening Thor over what is essentially his own fault is unreasonable, but I guess that's why he has followers like Hilgya.
I do find it fascinating that Loki is actually incapable of telling the truth though. In a way, he's just as psychologically crippled as Odin. I'm reminded of Haley during her breakdown, and a little of Ian.
You are what you eat indeed...Last edited by Psychronia; 2019-08-26 at 12:01 PM.
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Re: OOTS #1177 - The Discussion Thread
It looks very much like the idea globe "Nothing Matters," which is pretty appropriate for Hel's domain.
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