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Looks like a new LotR movie is inbound - "The Hunt for Gollum" starring and directed by Smeagol, produced by Jackson.
Hope it minimizes CGI (outside of the lead character of course) and focuses on practical/costume when possible, and no rivers of 100s of gobbos all lined up like a Disney ride to assault our incredibly nimbledwarfhobbitwhatever protagonist.
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Uh, why? Everything important about Gollum's story was already in LotR itself.
I mean, I'm a pretty big Tolkien fan, you could definitely sell me on other movies set in Arda, but, why one about Gollum of all characters?
Heck, they released that Gollum video game last year too, and I had the same reaction to when they announced it. Why do the people making these decisions think he's the one to build new LotR media around?Toph Pony avatar by Dirtytabs. Thanks!
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There already is a fan movie entitled exactly that. Has been for a decade and a half now. What's happening here?
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Who's producing the movie? Amazon, or New Line Cinema? Is Andy serkis reprising the role?
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I think there was a fan movie with that name.
Someone wanted to canonize it.Badly drawn helmet avatar drawn by me.
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LotR movies I would rather watch:
- Gandalf: The Lost Years
- Aragorn: The Later Years
- Merry & Pippin Go To The Pub Four Times in One Day
- Tom Bombadil - The Musical!
- The Two Towers Again But Everyone Is Played By Sir Patrick Stewart
- Farmer Maggot: The Early Years
- How Legolas's Father's Mother's Sister's Cousin's Former Roommate Did Something Important, Probably, I Bet It's All There In Appendix Q-A5C
- Two and a Half Hours of Sam Gardening
- Faramir: The Early Years
- The Entire Courtship of Sam and Rosie Cotton
- The Last Ten Minutes of the Lives of Fifteen Random Victims of Shelob (Horror)
- The Last Ten Minutes of the Lives of Fifteen Random Victims of Shelob (Comedy)
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Gollum is memorable, and Andy Serkis is presumably content to keep playing him? I genuinely don't know why this is the direction they're choosing but the actor-willingness-to-actor-recognition-to-actor-pricetag ratio could be a big factor.
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I wouldn't have thought that Gollum himself would appear much in "The Hunt for Gollum". Rather, the hunters would be the focus. (Is Viggo Mortensen still available?) Just like the statuette appears very little in The Maltese Falcon.
What I'd like to see is a proper version of the Scouring of the Shire. Shoot it like The Seven Samauri.
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I can't say I need or want this - we have 3 perfectly good LoTR movies already and the further from the source the adaptations get the worse they become - but if the franchise must be continued for the sake of the almighty shareholders, at least the creative team is strong and the base idea isn't terrible.
One major point in favor is that most of the locations where a Gollum hunt is likely to occur are already well described in the books, and have frequently already been filmed. This reduces the chances for really bad ideas. I also think Serkis is likely to do pretty well by Gollum as a character, and Jackson & co, when not roped in at the last minute, do filmic Tolkien as well as can be expected of anybody. The scope is nicely limited by the existing story, which I expect Jackson & Co will generally respect, and it's a fairly approachable task. It's also a reasonable place to include more of Aragorn and Arwen's backstory, which is good, actually exists in reasonably detailed form, and got rather papered over in the movies because they're side characters.
The downside is that, well, there's not a ton of original material to use, and Tolkien is both stylistically unique and very hard for a modern writer to mimic in big, freestanding blocks. The world view and narrative structure is pretty distinct and hard to capture.
I can't say I'm excited. But my expectations are higher than another Rings of Power type project.Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
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I am gonna guess that the focus of the story is Aragorn. I doubt Vigo will be back for that.
What I'd like to see is a proper version of the Scouring of the Shire. Shoot it like The Seven Samauri.
Yeah. Get someone other thatMordredMorfydd to play Galadriel.Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
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Who's the target audience for this?
I'm certainly not in it.Things published on DM's Guild
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I'm baffled as to why Warners insists on trying to make movies out of appendices instead of just letting someone take another crack at adapting the Lord of the Rings.
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I suspect a few reasons.
1) If all you can do with the Tolkien liscence is remake LoTR every 25 years, it's not worth as much as if you can make other stuff in it. Like it or not we still live in the world of repeated franchise film making, so franchises are gonna be exploited to the max.
2) The Jackson versions are an extremely high bar to clear. I'm not saying they are flawless, but I don't think there's much potential to do a version that's on the whole better. Any attempt to remake them is going to be stupidly expensive, and probably worse because very few movies are better than the Jackson LoTR films.
3) the Jackson versions are still very popular. Any remake is going to get approximately 800,000 hours of memes comparing the remake to the original frame by frame and then explaining why the new one sucks and the director and (particularly the female) cast should be fed feet first to syphilitic wargs.Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
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2024-05-11, 02:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yep. I don't think he even appeared in the 2009 version.
Come on, I bet they can make him even chubbier and (somehow also) even more Wuxia-flavoured than in the last one!
I mean, I'm pretty sure none of the stupid things her "I swim back and romance Sauron or whatever" Galadriel did was her idea.
On the one hand, given how well Hollywood Writer's Cherished OC no. 49337-to-49357 class additions to preexisting stories tend to go, and how tempting it is to make most of those female in any given work based on Tolkien, I can understand the frustration of many such people; on the other hand, man, the parts of the internet angry about these things you visit is tame.Last edited by Metastachydium; 2024-05-11 at 02:34 PM.
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I doubt Rings of Power will last this long but if they did a prequel about the fall of Numenor including Sauron giving the Rings of Power to the future Nazgul (especially since one of them was a Numenorean king's brother iirc) and the actual, full, battle against him I'd absolutely watch that.
However this...no. Please don't.
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Would probably watch that.
I mean, I'm pretty sure none of the stupid things her "I swim back and romance Sauron or whatever" Galadriel did was her idea.
Tom Cruise made a Jack Reacher movie. It was an almost. He tried hard but it didn't work for me.
They finally got a big fella to play Jack Reacher and it worked. (Not saying season 2 was great, but it still felt like Reacher).
On the one hand, given how well Hollywood Writer's Cherished OC no. 49337-to-49357 class additions to preexisting stories tend to go, and how tempting it is to make most of those female in any given work based on Tolkien, I can understand the frustration of many such people; on the other hand, man, the parts of the internet angry about these things you visit is tame.
The movie I want to see is the film version of Cassandra Claire's Very Secret Diaries.Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
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Wainriders is definitely how I would approach it. Pick some random unimportant characters who are in some less discussed theatre of the ring war and tell their story. Rangers of the North. Or the defence of Erebor. Or a story told in the Sauron-worshipping East. Or Southern Gondor defending against corsairs.
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That's fair enough. It appears they went, like, "well, she's female, blond and we can afford to hire her, no questions asked – I can't see how that could not cut it". But comparing her to Tom Cruise is still unwarranted (man, do I hate that guy!).
The movie I want to see is the film version of Cassandra Claire's Very Secret Diaries.
East is especially rewarding in that way, what with having all those misplaced Wizards. I kinda like the fan theory reconciling Tolkien's "they probably failed like Saruman" with Tolkien's "but maybe they didn't, after all" through positing they set them up as rival dark lords, semi-acccidentally dividing up Sauron's available manpower and limiting his influence by going bad.
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Amazon basically has no choice but to do the whole story. They're contractually bound to not cancel Rings of Power otherwise they risk losing the rights to others Tolkien projects too.
There's a pretty good chance that Rings of Power season three will end with Galadriel beating the heck out of Sauron as the Númenoreans show up to save the day and the big cliffhanger will be that Ar-Pharazôn reveals to Sauron that he's there to save him from the elves and wants his help to make Númenor prosper."Don't think of it as dying," said Death,
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Reacher's a pretty solid example of how casting can matter, yeah. Obviously Tom Cruise can act, but he doesn't really match the character, and it absolutely changes the feel of the work.
That said, in RoP, I don't think any casting change could have saved this plot. At some point, you've got to blame the scriptwriter, and the plot is so hamfisted that one cannot blame an acting choice. Even where one dislikes acting, the responsibility is fuzzy. Is it on the actor? The director? Both are certainly possible, along with other oddball things that crop up in moviemaking. A dissonant choice in lighting or music can also make a scene fall short. All in all, I think actors probably get more credit/blame on average than is likely deserved, and screenwriters and lighting, not enough.
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How about the Blue Wizards? There's a pack of stories there begging to be told. While they ultimately failed, maybe we can still give them a Big D*n Heroes moment. Also, given these events would be happening in Rhun or Harad, we could have some stars who aren't obviously western European, which is important in the age of representation.
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Anything you do with the blue wizards, Harad, etc is going to hit the Rings of Power problem but even worse; there's simply no source material to pull from. For the blue wizards I think there's almost literally zero, they exist, they went east, they did some unspecified but not successful stuff. IIRC that's all there is to go on.
Now look at the roughly 30 hours of filmed Tolkien in the 21st century, and ask yourself, just how good is the stuff the screenwriters made up and stuck in? It's generally pretty bad in my view, and the further from the source it meanders, the worse it gets. Any blue wizards stuff is going to be more or less right off the edge of the map, my prior guess is that it would suck, and I'm willing to use a pretty strong prior here*.
And the only reason to do any project like this is to keep shoveling out brand content to make the shareholders happy, artistically it's pretty much a dead end. It isn't going to be the story of "what really happened" because the Middle Earth canon is JRR Tolkien's work (edited by Christopher Tolkien) and anybody writing now is just a schmuck hired by the schmucks who leased the rights from the wreckage of a badly run European holding company that failed to sell itself to the Saudis. It's fan fiction, but deprived of the organic community driven natural selection of actual fan fiction.
Unless one owns a weird amount of stock in Warner Brothers, it's OK for Tolkien not to be pimped out once a financial year to keep the earnings calls sunny. The books endure, the Jackson movies are good, and in 10 or 20 years they can remake them for streaming and the five arthouse theaters still open and that's fine. Not everything needs to be an eternally expanding franchise - I'd argue very few things should be. Maybe nothing.
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This is not a blanket condemnation of adaptations changing, adding, or removing things. In general I'm 100% fine with that, textual purity is a silly and reactionary hill I have zero interest in dying on.
However, Tolkien is I think an unusually challenging body of work to adapt. A lot of this is because the author's worldview is extremely distinct, and being the product of a fairly singular mind working on its own for years, is worked deeply into the text and narrative structure. This makes adding to it quite difficult, as any new material needs to not only make narrative sense, but not feel jarring or out of step with that worldview. This is true of any new material being backfilled into existing text, but Middle Earth is an extremely non-modern body of work. Like, even for when it was written it's very backwards facing, and the oldest parts date back about a century now. Its worldview is the late 19th/early 20th centuries and their attendant catastrophes filtered through the poetry and literature of 9th century northern Europe. I don't think that's a head space one can really get into in AD 2024.
But unlike something like Arthurian mythology, there's both a single set of canon texts, and those texts are extremely accessible to the modern audience; LoTR is not a hard read, it isn't like cracking open The Knight of the Cart. Modernizing and adapting it is simply not necessary. And because it's still caught up in our dumbass IP law, it cannot be modernized in the way Arthuriana has been, by continuous addition and audience selection over long periods of time.
All of which is to say, by all means, change and add stuff when adapting. Also Middle Earth is very hard to change or add things to successfully, most attempts are going to badly fail. Maybe dont try.Blood-red were his spurs i' the golden noon; wine-red was his velvet coat,
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