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2024-05-16, 01:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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I always kind of assumed that the Brotherhood started out with fairly rational "let's keep the dangerous tech away from people" but spending most of their time underground talking mostly to each other turned them into a kind of a sect with a much more extreme approach to it.
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2024-05-16, 01:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Brotherhood started out as basically just...the US military, in Fallout 1. The original Maxson found out about the FEV experiments that were resulting in the Super Mutants and deserted the army after killing the mad scientists responsible.
The more zealous "take and hold all technology at any costs" factions popped up after the disasters with The Master and the Enclave showed that people were just gonna keep misusing technology. And even then they were mostly concerned with just eradicating Super Mutants.
It's unclear when they went from a genuine military organization to kind of "believing their own hype" with the Arthurian trappings.
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2024-05-16, 01:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-16, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly, given how warped so many other factions in Fallout are, even the "true" Brotherhood isn't that outlandish. When you've got belief systems like the Children of Atom or Caesar's Legion running around, even just The Enclave's general moustache-twirling totalitarianism, then The Brotherhood's philosophy looks downright sensible in comparison. "Misuse of tech caused the apocalypse, therefore we should protect tech from further misuse" is a pretty believable motivation.
Plus, I like how it adds a wrinkle to the "morality" dichotomy. The Brotherhood (excepting the D.C. chapter) aren't interested in hurting or helping others: their decision-making happens on an entirely separate axis. That makes for fun moral dissonance and complicated decisions, at least if the writers know what to do with it.Last edited by Ionathus; 2024-05-16 at 10:17 AM.
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2024-05-16, 10:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hot take: Enemy of the State, a 26-year-old film that heavily relies upon cutting edge tech of the time, has not aged at all.
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2024-05-16, 12:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Completely Inconsequential Hot-Takes 2: People Take Too Long to Post New Threads
Here's one: I hate gravy. Disgusting in almost every instance I've ever had of it. Also don't like turkey either.
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2024-05-16, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Completely Inconsequential Hot-Takes 2: People Take Too Long to Post New Threads
What about sausage gravy, a la biscuits and gravy? Some British kids had some opinions on it.
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2024-05-16, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-16, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-16, 10:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think you need to clarify what you mean by "gravy". There's packets of... stuff you can buy from a supermarket to make something called gravy. There's gravy made firsthand from the juices of roast meat. And then there's whatever the heck is that godsforsaken brew that the Americans like to put on what they equally outrageously miscall "biscuits".
Or do you hate all of them equally? I could understand that."None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2024-05-16, 10:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hey, I DO like some sausage. Some, like breakfast sausage, makes me physically unwell. I think it is probably the pork.
I've never had a gravy I've liked, from packet to roast-juice to the goopy stuff. The only only only time I've enjoyed gravy is on poutine and that feels like, cheating.
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2024-05-17, 02:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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I found this video fascinating because I have never seen American "breakfast biscuits" before, just read about them.
Now, I can understand not calling "cookies" "biscuits" (which is what they were always called in the UK when I was a kid - US language influence has dragged it so they are more likely to be called "cookies" now) as they don't fit the definition of 'biscuit' ('baked twice'), but I assumed that American English (which often has better links to the past than British English) having got that one right would be getting "breakfast biscuits" right too!
So USA have a point for not calling cookies biscuits, but lose one for calling breakfast "biscuits" biscuits.
As for the comments on the appearance of "sausage gravy" (I haven't had time to watch the full video to see if it explains what it is) - some British kids need exposure to white sauce, which is what it looked like to me!
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2024-05-17, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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There was a Brit once who rightly observed, "would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet?"
Frankly, i don't much care what it's called. It's delicious. And y'all should also try tomato gravy. Tasty stuff.
Also, Khedrac, if you ever come stateside anywhere near me i will absolutely take you to some good southern foods!
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2024-05-17, 10:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-17, 12:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-17, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-17, 12:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2024-05-17, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-17, 12:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2024-05-17, 12:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-17, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2024-05-17, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-17, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-17, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Completely Inconsequential Hot-Takes 2: People Take Too Long to Post New Threads
The gravy that gets put on biscuits is typically made by cooking sausage, forming a roux with the drippings, and then using it to thicken milk. The sausage is then added back in.
Aside from the packet stuff, almost all gravies I have ever seen are made the same way: use ground grain and fat to thicken a sauce.
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2024-05-20, 02:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's surprising how the different methods of making effectively the same thing matter.
Here in the UK to make "normal" gravy the base method is, of course, to start with the juices from roasting meat.
For many years the shops have sold products to assist with the process. The main two are "gravy granules" and "gravy powder" (others exist).
The main difference appears to be that granules produce a thicker gravy that is more complete on its own, gravy powder really needs the addition of more material (such as meat juices) to make a decent gravy, but still essentially does the same job.
So what? Well I am allergic to soya, and nearly all of the gravy granules contain soya while I am yet to find a gravy powder that does - so for me the various gravy powders are the only way to go...
But for proper gravy starting with meat juices is the best way to go. (And adding the water from any boiled vegetables rather than a kettle - why lose the vitamins that have been boiled out of the veg?)
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2024-05-20, 02:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm no chemist, but my understanding is that boiling doesn't merely draw vitamins out into the water, but actually destroys them. So - you're not getting those back, sorry.
But there should be some decent flavour in that water. And of course it's always a bit gratifying to save a resource, even a dirt cheap one like tap water, by reusing it."None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2024-05-20, 03:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Urg. Gravy granules and powder are as to gravy as instant coffee is to coffee at the very best, often much worse.
There's some flavour in it, vitamins or no, I agree it's unfortunately probably not.
For gravy, roux all the wey. Butter or marg. are inferior to meatfat, but far ahead of powdered gravy.The end of what Son? The story? There is no end. There's just the point where the storytellers stop talking.
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2024-05-20, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-20, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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This reminds me of a potentially hot take of my own, namely that good coffee is kinda overrated. Or rather that I can't really tell the difference between the cheap instant kind and the fancy expensive kind. As long is it's black and roughly the right temperature, it's pretty much the same to me.
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2024-05-20, 04:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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