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2012-04-10, 01:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naruto IV: Tobi or not Tobi, that is the question
She's also the best healer in the Manga. Well except Pain and his transcending life and death, but that was possibly the lowest point of the entire series.
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2012-04-10, 05:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh come on, we have seen no signs of the ability to just "will" yourself to be super strong. Thats really stretching imo. Whats more likely? That as a medic that relies upon her chakra control to heal or destroy anyone in her path her baseline physical stats arent all that amazing? Or that she has some sort of super ability completely unknown to the rest of the world, to make her muscles permanently stronger without having to lift a single weight or showing any visible sign of increased muscle power?
Im not saying that it isnt possible as some crazy surprise twist, "HAH! Now that I have crippled your chakra control tsunade, your techniques are worthless!" /Tsunade smacks a nearby mountain and it shatters "Hmm, guess all those years of secretly using medical techniques to boost my natural strength paid off." But there are no real signs of anything like that happening that I know of.
In the fight with Madara he said Tsunade was slower then the Raikage but stronger then him. Thats using the final? form of her forbidden forhead medical seal. Now granted they didn't tell us much about her technique or how much stronger she was or how much slower. So thats at least one person and if you're using forbidden techniques I am sure Gai opening some gates is as strong if not stronger and probable a lot faster then her. I am not trying to hate on Tsunade it's just that she like a lot of the other female characters are not painted in the best light skill wise in this manga
Thats just 1 more person who is weaker than Tsunade, you are directly quoting Madara saying so.
You do know that Tsunades medical seal is just a healing tecknique?
Regarding Gai, then i dont think he would be stronger even if he opened all his gates.
As for fighting only being about how fast and strong you are I would put my money on an MMA fighter over a bodybuilder. Strength and speed can beat skill but it depeneds on the gaps between the two fighters atributes.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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2012-04-10, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naruto IV: Tobi or not Tobi, that is the question
Yes Raikage is said to be weaker and faster but it was comparing them in a way that doesn't indicate a huge gap between them like you saying only biju are on par with Tsunade and we will just have to disagree about Gai. And I had said someone with simular strength and speed but with better fighting skills aka taijutsu.
Ok you said "in the right spot" and Tsunade more than likely nows about the right spots due to her medical knowledge. But that doesn't change the fact she is never shown attacking in any right spots she more or less goes hulk smash in her fights. And yes she once used a med technique on Kabuto to confuse the signals his brain sent to which limbs but he was a good enough medic to surprise her on how easy it was to bypass that. That however wasn't about her touching the right spot it wasn't some pressure point or anything and would have been smarter in that case to just use her strength anyway. Or even better to use the chakra scalpels Kabuto was using, temporarily having someone move their right foot instead of their left arm is lame.
And memorising the body and how to heal it doesn't mean she trained and learned a taijutsu style to take advantage of it. It would be the smart thing to do but given how she has been shown to fight it would seem she spent all her time learning how to heal, sealing to make her triangle one, and of course drinking and losing all of her money gambling while feeling sorry for herself. So in her fights there is a distinct lack of hiting or in the right spots And untill her fight with Madara there wasn't even much speed so she really only had the strength and her medical knowledge going for her. And like I said before others like Orochimaru, Kabuto, and slower but also impresive Naruto had abilities to heal themselves. Even any idiot Oro gave his cursed seal to healed when it activated.
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2012-04-11, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naruto IV: Tobi or not Tobi, that is the question
New Chapter.
SpoilerKabuto has flashback? Yup, he's pretty much goner. Nothing can save him now.
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2012-04-11, 07:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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I am still convinced that the final fight will look something like this, though possibly with an even larger explosion and definitely more crazy eyes...
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2012-04-11, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-11, 09:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Flashbacks are the number one cause of death in named characters in Shounen.
Friends don't let friends have flashbacks.
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2012-04-11, 10:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Now we have two "no ones"..? Do you think this is just a coincidence or could there be something deeper here? Feel free to discuss your thoughts on this.
Also, dragon sage CAN'T die. If he does then the Edos will be around...forever...and the real Madara will just troll everybody with his massive HAXX. Kabuto can't die in this fight, he has to be defeated without being killed or Itachi's goal of ending Edo Tensei will be compromised.Last edited by Giegue; 2012-04-11 at 10:09 AM.
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2012-04-11, 10:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah my one thought was "oh noes now he's gonna loose" this chapter.
Yeah but he can release Edo Tensei and then Sasuke will kill him for taking Itachi away from him.
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2012-04-11, 10:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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With Kabuto, he literally never had anything, so to glom onto whatever aspects of his peers that they encourage was his only true method of moving forward with his life. Tobi is, on the other hand, divorcing himself from his own past and facing the present with a view that he is no longer important as himself, but rather his actions will speak for him.
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2012-04-11, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, but by that point the fight will be over. Once Edo is ended, Kabuto is defeated. Edo is the ONLY thing keeping him alive right now and the only thing making him relevant in this war. Once Edo is down, the fight is over. If he dies after that's just because leaving him alive would be too dangerous and it is something that is just oh too predictable for the Sauce's character.
Also, I find it interesting. Kabuto has a technique to give the lifeless life, and it is seemingly a sage technique. Kabuto also said he was closer to the sage then even Tobi, who as we know has Senju + Uchiha DNA. While that may just be Kabuto's delusion talking, do any of you think that, perhaps, the Sage of the Six Paths was also, in addition to the 10-tails Jin a practitioner of Senjutsu, hence his "sage" title? It would be YET ANOTHER parallel between Rikudou and Naruto, to say the least...
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2012-04-11, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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no, he at least gets 1 more chapter to explain himslef before Itachi declares himself god for 10 secs. and redoes the universe not including edo tensei and kabuto. I kind of like this pacing before the the naruto clusterbomb and the Uchiha 'tactical' nuke.
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2012-04-11, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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A little bit of Kabuto's backstory is nice, though it's fairly unremarkable for a war-torn world like Naruto's.
If I had to guess, maybe Izanami can somehow force Kabuto to cancel the Edo Tensei. He did tell Tobi it was possible to do so, though bear in mind he is a professional liar.
Funny thought: maybe Kabuto would be a nicer guy if they gave him a different name and no glasses?Awesome OOTS-style Fallout New Vegas avatar by Ceika. Or it was, before Photobucket started charging money.
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2012-04-11, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Only thing making him alive/relevant? He's fought two Mangekyo users to a standstill, that's got to be something.
Also, I find it interesting. Kabuto has a technique to give the lifeless life, and it is seemingly a sage technique. Kabuto also said he was closer to the sage then even Tobi, who as we know has Senju + Uchiha DNA. While that may just be Kabuto's delusion talking, do any of you think that, perhaps, the Sage of the Six Paths was also, in addition to the 10-tails Jin a practitioner of Senjutsu, hence his "sage" title? It would be YET ANOTHER parallel between Rikudou and Naruto, to say the least...
Edit: Also, I've gotta say I liked this chapter. I do hope they keep the flashback concentration low, but a few every now and then are good.Last edited by Drolyt; 2012-04-11 at 11:59 AM.
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2012-04-11, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Naruto IV: Tobi or not Tobi, that is the question
Nah... I don't think it's significant... Tobi just doesn't care but Kabuto is determined to get himself a name. Rather polar opposites if anything. Maybe in the meta sense but no plot relevance, I think.
Hm... I'd guess it is possible, or as Drolyt says, he was merely able to use nature chakra/sage techniques but no sage of any particular kind.
Good point. Being a frog really is pretty dumb for the main character. Or funny.... and dumb.
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2012-04-11, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-11, 04:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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It is still pretty cool, yes, but I've always felt the whole toad thing was weird. Kishi just likes toads I guess.
On a related note, Kabuto's Senjutsu doesn't seem to have any of the weaknesses of Naruto's, namely he can use it freely while moving. I'm not sure if that is because he is "closer to the Sage of the Six Paths" as he claims or because Dragon Senjutsu works differently.
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2012-04-11, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-11, 04:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd also point out that with all the talking going on there's been plenty of time for him to hold still to go into Sage Mode. Calm collected behavior is very unlike Naruto, but very much like Kabuto. I don't think he lacks the basic weakness but he better at doing it because he's not a hyper-active idiot.
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2012-04-11, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerLittle Kabuto is cute I'm glad we're getting more development on him now. But now that we have his backstory, he's not gonna be the final boss.
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2012-04-11, 06:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, actually we have a lot of backstory on Madara, how he and Shisui developed their skills, how he waged war with teh Senju clan, how he eventually made peace and with Harishama Senju founded the hidden village of Konoha. the only one we don't know yet is this alledged Tobi...
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Might you, if he went down now, it would bring a very anticlimactic end to the kages' fight.
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Simultaneous defeat? I really wouldn't like it if the kage won against Madara. I mean...they're great, but it would cause Madara to lose the "I'm a badass Uchiha, and I'm gonna beat you with my mad Hax skills. Senju cells Hax, Sharingan Hax, sexist Hax, and even Rinnegan Hax!"
Also,SpoilerKabuto claimed to be the closest to the "Hermit"(That's what my scalator had) of the Six Paths right now. I find that odd. I thought that Tobi or Madara would be closer. Is he discrediting Madara because he's dead?
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2012-04-11, 10:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah exactly why I think he should loose along with every member of the clan. The Uchiha are dirty clan of Canon Sues with **** attitudes that have stained an otherwise decent story.
Only decent representative of them was ruined when Kishi started drinking his own cool-aid.
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2012-04-12, 02:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-04-12, 06:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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While I understand that your opinion is somewhat common, especially outside of Japan for some reason, I have to respectfully disagree; I think the Uchiha and Sasuke in particular are an asset to the story. Regardless, I don't think fan dislike/like of a character should be a factor in determining the outcome of a story.