Results 571 to 600 of 764
-
2013-04-09, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2011
- Location
- Someplace Nice
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
Alright, I'm coming into this thread late, so I'll comment on the OOTS members that have the * by their sexuality. In English, I am bisexual. I like both men and women. However, the ratio of men:women I find attractive is heavily skewed towards the women, heavily enough that if there was a term for a 1, 1.5 on the Kinsey scale, I'd use it instead. Because English doesn't have good terms for this stuff. There's bicurious, which (to me) means "I am curious if I am bi, so I will see if I am." Doesn't apply, since I'm certain I do like individuals of both genders. There's heteroflexible, which doesn't work because it's (in my opinion) a low fraction on the Kinsey scale. So I call myself bisexual.
Here's the part where this relates to the thread. So Haley (for example) likes some women, it's written in the story. She would then be bisexual, or maybe heteroflexible, although that doesn't fit well. While Nale was bicurious, and answered his question: by his own admission, he's heterosexual. Elan (after rereading that strip) seems to have done something with another guy at Bard Camp, and was worried about... something. Could be that Nale was hitting on him, could be everyone's reaction to Nale's hitting on him. Heck, could be that ended badly and he's remembering the bad memories. So instead of a "straight," that's a "oidunno." And this applies to most of them that I can see: Tarquin likes women, but when Roy's faking being attracted to him his excuse for saying no was "I'm getting married," not "I'm straight." So a lot of these are going with straight because it's the default. And I can't think of a better way to do that other than asking the Giant for each and every character, going with straight as the default, or putting in a blank unless you have conclusive proof that the character is x-sexual. And all of these have their flaws.
TL;DR: Several characters in the list might be not straight, but just haven't been defined. Also, English sucks for describing "not straight, but close."LGBTA+itP
-
2013-04-10, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2011
- Gender
-
2013-04-10, 12:04 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2012
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
Ah yes, here's the part where I use my authority as someone who did a first-year sociology course on the subject to tell people that I know more about their sexual identity than they do. This'll go well.
In my completely uneducated opinion, 'bisexual' applies to 2-4 on the Kinsey scale, hetero/homoflexible covers 0.5-1.9 and 4.1-5.5, and the rest is either bi-curious or straight. And while Haley admitted that she kissed girls more than once, her latent bisexuality just doesn't seem that strong compared to her dominant heterosexual nature.
Not conclusive proof I know, but still what I consider to be the most likely guess based on in-comic evidence. Which is the policy I've applied for other characters.
-
2013-04-10, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2011
- Location
- Someplace Nice
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
Hadn't mentioned it, since I was just sticking to what I know. But yeah, I can imagine. I guess bicurious still works, and you could make up homoflexible.
And Oppyu, I don't agree or disagree with you simply because, in my opinion, a word that I can really use to define who I like hasn't been invented yet. And I haven't taken any social sciences classes since high school (hate them). So, yeah, by that definition I would be heteroflexible, but that word a) doesn't seem right: I'm not a straight guy who's ok with dating a few men, I like both genders, just not in anything close to an even proportion, and b) pretty much nobody knows it, which defeats the purpose of using it as a label. So if I use it, I'm still stuck explaining what I mean.LGBTA+itP
-
2013-04-10, 12:20 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2012
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
I should add that I'm fine with how you or anyone chooses to define themselves and would never question that, I was just defending my list... so yeah.
-
2013-04-10, 12:20 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Feb 2013
- Location
- Around
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
That scale and I don't get on (my position on scales never seems to stick to one place). Hm. Well. Anyway. XD
Also, the previous page: no, that's not a mechanical handling of it; that's taking advantage of a convenient cursed item, and DM fiat. :/Last edited by Raineh Daze; 2013-04-10 at 12:23 AM.
Things to avoid:
"Let us tell the story of a certain man. The tale of a man who, more than anyone else, believed in his ideals, and by them was driven into despair."
-
2013-04-10, 12:26 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2010
- Location
- Texas
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
even mindless plants know the value of being attractive to their prey. I'm sure an intelligent parasitic demon would aggree that human's greatest weakness is the best way to eat them.
There is no focus on sex with the way in which a succubus eats (albiet there is one on the fact that its suppose to be an evil sex demon). The way a succubus hunts is attracting the attention of an individual. Charming him into leaving to a secluded place and then kissing him until he is dead. A succubus with a Eternal Holy Crotch Plate of Chastisty would be just as dangerous as one without. Inccubi are mentioned in the monster text and most monsters in the manuel dont specifically show male and female versions.
Yes i agree that they are obviously demons focused on using sex as a weapon. But that doesn't in the slightest mean they are big boobed sex-party demons. They are closer to the classic notion of vampires who lure young people away and eat them.
Also, English sucks for describing "not straight, but close."
Gay, Bi, bicurious,heteroflexible are all just slang and nothing more.
The problem isnt with english, its with the fact that most people think that just cus someone uses a word to describe something that it pertains to exactly what the listener's interpretation of it.
For instance if I say me and my roommate are gay, then obviously most people think we have sex, because they think that gay means "will have sex with any and all men". The problem isnt with the word, its with the person listening. If someone hears that you are Bi and then assumes that they can set you up with any man or woman then its their idiocy.Last edited by Cerlis; 2013-04-10 at 12:36 AM.
Part of the "Raise Nale and Let Him Serve Life in Prison" fan-club
"The only reason why people didn't like Durkon before was because he is the only member of the group that doesn't commit evil, like hurting others, or breaking the rules for giggles. I.E.' He's not cool'"
-
2013-04-10, 12:27 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2011
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
Yeah, but like you said yourself, they're not ideal labels.
While I could discuss sexuality and terminology until bovines, 9:35 express, tearful reunion, etc., I find it somewhat frustrating that the same word gets applied to 2 and 4, despite being quite opposite. I wish there were more specific labels.
I'm also pretty satisfied with the list as it is. We could keep it updated as the story progresses, in case we have confirmation one way or the other for the characters (or more get introduced).
-
2013-04-10, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2012
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
You could try something like the Klein-Sexual-Orientation-Grid for labeling.
Let's see, with 'past' being 'back when I was young and pretty', 'ideal' being 'most fulfilling' and 'emotional preference' meaning 'complements me better', I'd locate myself at:
A: 6 6 7
B: 6 7 6
C: 6 7 7
D: 5 6 6
E: 3 5 4
F: 5 5 4
G: 5 6 6
-
2013-04-10, 12:54 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Feb 2013
- Location
- Around
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
Not really going to help me, I must say. If I Tried, it would probably look like utterly random numbers. XD
Things to avoid:
"Let us tell the story of a certain man. The tale of a man who, more than anyone else, believed in his ideals, and by them was driven into despair."
-
2013-04-10, 01:06 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2011
- Location
- Someplace Nice
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
Had a good laugh at how that was phrased. It never came across as you saying that I'm wrong about what I say about myself, just that you have different meanings for the same words. So do we all. You have a worldview I don't, simply from being another person, and it's equally valid as my own. I may disagree over the details (what names goes to what portion of the Kinsey scale, is it even a good model, are the Braves a good baseball team or no) but why bother?
I doubt that has anything to do with english. Unless most other languages has a specific logical word for the infinite possibilities of attraction.
I mentioned this in the LGBT thread: we need little graphs instead of words to describe these things. Much more intuitive.LGBTA+itP
-
2013-04-10, 01:12 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2010
- Location
- Porto Alegre, Brazil
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
Just to chime in really quick, I believe the spell polymorph any object would do. 3k GP for a scroll, so a 4th level character could afford it by wealth by level table and any wizard that didn't ban transmutation can cast it. One standard action later and transition is complete and permanent (unless dispelled). With metamagic reducers (so the resulting spell is of a lower spell level) and the permanancied metamagic and alter self would fit, if you could cast it every day. Carry on now.
-
2013-04-10, 01:17 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Feb 2013
- Location
- Around
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
Err... so basically, there aren't actual mechanics for it, just stuff that can be used for it. Got it.
Things to avoid:
"Let us tell the story of a certain man. The tale of a man who, more than anyone else, believed in his ideals, and by them was driven into despair."
-
2013-04-10, 01:24 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2010
- Location
- Porto Alegre, Brazil
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
-
2013-04-10, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2007
- Gender
-
2013-04-10, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2012
-
2013-04-10, 01:59 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jun 2010
- Location
- Porto Alegre, Brazil
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
If you can get a scroll of it any wizard/sorc with and 18 int/cha can use it on you, regarless of level. Failing that, someone with a high/good UMD can use it too. Can also be used to change species, withing reason, if you want. You can even turn a human into a halfling or into something smarter, since kingdom, class and either size or same int add up to 9.
You're welcome.Last edited by Gray Mage; 2013-04-10 at 02:10 AM.
-
2013-04-10, 02:29 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2008
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
If you can't find anyone at 15th level to make the scroll, the 4th-level Reincarnate has a good shot at doing the job if you don't mind, uh, other random changes. I think it's technically a 50/50 chance, but I'd put better-than-even odds on it unless the DM is really grumpy or something.
It can't be dispelled, either, though each casting ends up costing a level or a con point on top of the 1000GP of reagents. How much is it worth to not be vulnerable to Dispel Magic?Avatar by the Ninja Chocobo.
-
2013-04-10, 02:49 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2012
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
With good chances to end up a bugbear, lizardfolk, kobold or something along the line? Not to diminish the idea, but I imagine that going from human to kobold would chafe my self-image at least as much, as being male when identifying as a woman or vice versa.
Yes, I know, I am picky.
-
2013-04-10, 03:09 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2011
- Location
- Someplace Nice
- Gender
-
2013-04-10, 07:54 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2013
-
2013-04-10, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jul 2012
-
2013-04-10, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2013
-
2013-04-10, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2011
- Gender
-
2013-04-10, 09:25 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Apr 2013
-
2013-04-10, 09:27 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2011
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
-
2013-04-10, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Jan 2012
-
2013-04-10, 04:24 PM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- May 2011
- Gender
-
2013-04-11, 12:54 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2010
- Location
- Texas
- Gender
Re: Gender and Sexuality Representation in OOTS
I mentioned this in the LGBT thread: we need little graphs instead of words to describe these things. Much more intuitive.
But no one is going to use something like.....*points up* THAT in casual or even extended conversation(f you are talking that long you might as well just say what you like).Part of the "Raise Nale and Let Him Serve Life in Prison" fan-club
"The only reason why people didn't like Durkon before was because he is the only member of the group that doesn't commit evil, like hurting others, or breaking the rules for giggles. I.E.' He's not cool'"
-
2013-04-11, 12:58 AM (ISO 8601)
- Join Date
- Sep 2010
- Location
- Texas
- Gender
Part of the "Raise Nale and Let Him Serve Life in Prison" fan-club
"The only reason why people didn't like Durkon before was because he is the only member of the group that doesn't commit evil, like hurting others, or breaking the rules for giggles. I.E.' He's not cool'"