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Thread: Careless Village WW
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2012-10-10, 12:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Careless Village WW
The cake was a lie, eh?
Yeah, C'Nor seemed a bit off yesterday. He was kinda against voting for FE for seemingly no reason. It's a blind game, yes. But that was odd.
And... I still don't understand "Clueless Newcomer" taking over as the Devil... seems rather anti-town.
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2012-10-10, 12:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-10, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)Count DingdongGuest in the Playground
Re: Careless Village WW
There is no "taking over." At least one of the 35 Newcomer roles (now 36) is likely to be a Devil. How Newcomers work is choose number. That number already has role randomly assigned to it. When they enter, become that role.
There is no way to determine role or alignment based on number or who recently died. Randomly determined at outset of game, and nothing changes that. Roles could enter at any time. Amount of Wolf/Village/Neutral is also unknown.
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2012-10-10, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Careless Village WW
So, after having a solid look so far, suffice to say today I don't believe I agree with Ramsus. Tom the Mime.
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2012-10-10, 10:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Likely it is because you are a confirmed that the wolves are not attacking you (cause like baner and what not).
Haven't really looked too closely at the votes yet, and can normally only notice things after the fifth day (by the way people act) or later in normal (read as including PMs) games, so it will likely take longer here.
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2012-10-10, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-10, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)Count DingdongGuest in the Playground
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2012-10-11, 12:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Careless Village WW
I don't really get the theories here that depend on the wolves knowing each other. It's a blind, no pm game where night kills and scries on fellow wolves don't connect them and we know the starting devil is dead. They could've just had a super read but I don't see it as very likely. I guess it can't do any worse than firing randomly in the dark &we'd mostly be doing at this stage anyway.
Yes, my votes were basically chosen by what fit into the discussion after I'd written itBeing a mime means never having to say you're sorry.
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2012-10-11, 01:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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What...my opposition for mayor is dead and people still aren't voting for me.
Can I reserve Clueless Newcomer spot 13 for when I eventually bite it and come back?Last edited by Ramsus; 2012-10-11 at 01:20 AM.
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2012-10-11, 05:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-11, 05:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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He was a Seer-claimant, who had a reasonable story about Night 1, since Ramsus is a good enough scry target to make it plausible that there would have been interference on him.
Since the evidence against him was fairly weak (basically, only things that could be either newbie mistakes or wolf arguments, and little to make a case for them being either, since this is only his second game), I was opposed to killing him with no counter-claim, since if he had turned out to be the Seer, it wouldn't have been good at all.
Also, Ramsus's reasoning sounded screwy to me, and still does. Call me insufficiently paranoid, but the fact that someone who claims Seer on Day Two has a good reason for not having any scries doesn't make them seem more suspicious to me, which is what he was arguing.
Ramsus is also trying to obfuscate matters today, since knowing FE's role would have been required for the fact that I tried to stop us from lynching him to matter, meaning that the following has to occur:
FE scries a wolf (me, for this hypothetical, but it could be anyone) Night One.
In the space of less than a full day phase, they convince me that I should trust them.
Rather than throwing me under the bus to get reasonably confirmed as a Seer (which just about anyone who has some experience with the games, including me, would have advised him to do) he says he got interference.
Considering just how improbable all of that happening together is, it makes his current argument seem more like an attempt to make me seem wolfish without any good evidence, or at best not very good reasoning for killing me, yes?
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2012-10-11, 07:04 AM (ISO 8601)Count DingdongGuest in the Playground
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2012-10-11, 07:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Careless Village WW
I, accidentally left a baited trap...
Sorry C'nor, had forgotten about newcomer roles when making that post. That said, Ramsus is being rather pushy on that issue.
About the wolves knowing each other: I somehow thought that wolves and masons worked the same way. Rereading, I see that the wolves can't identify each other (bluh, does not like).Last edited by TBFProgrammer; 2012-10-11 at 07:46 AM.
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2012-10-11, 08:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Careless Village WW
to me, that sounds like the 50/50 chance I spoke of...
Also, Ramsus's reasoning sounded screwy to me, and still does. Call me insufficiently paranoid, but the fact that someone who claims Seer on Day Two has a good reason for not having any scries doesn't make them seem more suspicious to me, which is what he was arguing.
Ramsus is also trying to obfuscate matters today, since knowing FE's role would have been required for the fact that I tried to stop us from lynching him to matter,
since no one starts off knowing anything about anyone, it'll take the seers a damn long time to get networks of any decent size together. instead, we've got to depend on logic and guesswork and reading people's voting patterns and logic. The latter is the one from you I find suspicious.
meaning that the following has to occur:
FE scries a wolf (me, for this hypothetical, but it could be anyone) Night One.
In the space of less than a full day phase, they convince me that I should trust them.
Rather than throwing me under the bus to get reasonably confirmed as a Seer (which just about anyone who has some experience with the games, including me, would have advised him to do) he says he got interference.
Since this is MY second game as well, it's not unreasonable at all to assume this was FE's logic.
Considering just how improbable all of that happening together is, it makes his current argument seem more like an attempt to make me seem wolfish without any good evidence, or at best not very good reasoning for killing me, yes?
This argument above sounds like, to me, a wolf doing their best to show off how illogical it is to analyze voting patterns to establish facts this early on. Discouraging town from thinking doesn't sound like a good idea for townies to do.
you gave one possible interpretation, not the only one.Much thanks to Ceika for the poketar!
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2012-10-11, 09:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Exactly. Where we differ is in whether it's good or bad to lynch a potential Seer at that probability. My thought was that if he wasn't the Seer the real Seer would scry him that night to see which of them, if either, was the Fool (or the Fool would, which would get similar results, since their role wouldn't show up as one of the possible options for a Seer/Fool), and then inform us of what they found. If he was, we'd just be hurting Town, for not much potential gain at all.
Normally, no. But what would you have done, then? His arguments weren't working and he was going to die anyway, so it's not like he was putting himself in any greater danger.
you don't have to have a role proven to you in order to be able to make an educated guess about it and act on it.
Again, true. Starting completely blind does tend to make things take a while as far as people getting in contact goes, though it's not that much worse than a normal game for us, since town is always blind.
But that is the course most likely to result in my defending FE if I'm a wolf. I'm not saying it's the only way that could possibly happen, just the way that is most likely to occur and still have me defending FE if I'm not Town.
Not required, perhaps. But see above about why it make this whole thing much more likely.
Again, see above, about why the Seer being dead is more valuable to the wolves than the Devil being alive.
I don't know about that last bit - you two seem like you think fairly differently - but there are some valid points in there, even if we do seem to be starting from different places.
Excuse me? Do you care to explain where exactly I argue against analyzing voting patterns in general in there, rather than simply trying to prove that the way Ramsus said what he said was an attempt to obfuscate the issue by making it seem like we both knew FE's role when he was lynched?Last edited by Lady Serpentine; 2012-10-11 at 09:02 AM.
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2012-10-11, 09:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'll grant you that last point, for the most part. What I'd intended to say was that you were implying that ramsus was wrong for having come up with a line of reasoning.
as for the odds, I thought it very unlikely for him to actually be the seer. Like you said, the wolves killing the seer is more valuable than the devil being alive. A wolf claiming seer and hoping to out the real one when he's realized he's already gonna die sounds really useful for team wolf.
same line of reasoning why I was opposed to Grue Bait's seer claim in MLP before it was proven.Much thanks to Ceika for the poketar!
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2012-10-11, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Careless Village WW
C'nor does look suspiecous.
That is now part of my personality i think, saying suspiecous instead of the proper writing.Despite everything, its still me.
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2012-10-11, 09:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, alright. Nope, I was objecting to his reasoning, but I didn't mind him having come up with it in the first place.
Hm... Point. Though I didn't feel it was all that unlikely for him to be the seer, having gone through getting that as my second (third?) role, and thus knowing that it can be rather tricky to figure out what's a good idea and what isn't.
I wasn't paying too much attention to that one, but didn't that line of reasoning get shot down multiple times?
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2012-10-11, 09:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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true. It was shot down because the seer gave us a testable claim. It was explained to me that town can afford to test a claim to know for sure whether or not he's a wolf.
an untestable claim therefore makes me suspicious.Much thanks to Ceika for the poketar!
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2012-10-11, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Makes sense, then. It's been a while, so that combined with not sleeping last night and my general lack of attention in that one made me miss the details, and it's a pain to go back and dig them up with no way to search for things.
And I was thinking we should for something testable, but I think it's mostly just a matter of differing playstyles at this point; I seem to be placing a higher value on the Seer than you are, and both approaches have their flaws.
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2012-10-11, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)Count DingdongGuest in the Playground
Re: Careless Village WW
~24 hours left.
Current votes:
C'nor = 3
superdark = 2
Ramsus = 1
Tom the Mime = 1
Need minimum 5 to lynch, or goes to Executioner.
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2012-10-11, 10:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Superdark, since who can ever tell what side he's on, he's voting for me, and I'd prefer to not be in the lead in the race to the noose.
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2012-10-11, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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I would enjoy playing this game. Can you please put me down for slot #35?
Also, I noticed that there has been a little bit of roleplaying at the beginning, but it seems to have fallen by the wayside quickly. Since that is what interestes me in this type of game, are we allowed to do that? I have an idea for a personality/character type that I think it would be fun to play around with.78% of all DM's start their first campaign in a tavern. If you're among the 22% who didn't, copy and paste this into your signature and tell us where you DID begin.The players were attacked individually on the road on the way to town by werewolves. To survive, they had to team up then and there without knowing anything about eachother (literally -- all character sheets were completed without other players' knowledge).
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2012-10-11, 10:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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We are, yes. It's just it keeps dying out... If you like, I'm happy to throw a character together/bring in one of my existing ones for your person to talk to?
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2012-10-11, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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That would be awesome! I don't know the rules for this, can we just start it whenever or do we have to wait for the narrator introduction?
(FYI: I admit this is my first WW game -- my first online to be frank -- and I will likely ask what appear to be silly questions, but I want to avoid any major faux pas...)78% of all DM's start their first campaign in a tavern. If you're among the 22% who didn't, copy and paste this into your signature and tell us where you DID begin.The players were attacked individually on the road on the way to town by werewolves. To survive, they had to team up then and there without knowing anything about eachother (literally -- all character sheets were completed without other players' knowledge).
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2012-10-11, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, he's been asking for everyone to join, and it's not like there's an application to fill out or anything that has to meet with narrator approval, so I think we can probably just start. Maybe we can even get it into the narration.
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2012-10-11, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)Count DingdongGuest in the Playground
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2012-10-11, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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The masons' face man looked out at the village below and shook his head. Their paranoia nearly lynched him the day the gates were open, but things have settled down for now. They caught a traitor in the seer's network, and he'd been dealt with. It disturbs him that the enemy hadn't struck yet. What were they waiting for?
He didn't like it, and he didn't like C'Nor's arguments either. Oh, it's not that they were completely irrational, but something about them just rang false in him. Something about them didn't add up. He fished his house key out of his snazzy yellow pants and went inside for a nap.Much thanks to Ceika for the poketar!
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2012-10-11, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, that is good. OK – here it goes…
A tall dark figure calmly walked into the village by the main gate, a quick light step and somewhat graceful movements marked this newcomer as female. She carried a large pack, her head swinging back and forth as she looked about, trying to get some idea as to where she needed to go. Unfortunately, with no prior experience in the locale, it didn’t help matters. Her gait slowed as she walked further into town, her eyes overlooking the town square. The gallows stood prominently at the center. She seemed to falter for a moment, casting a look around. There were several individuals, a few moving with purpose, others appearing to be waiting for some… thing? one? time? Perhaps the stragglers of a gathering?
The women paused, casting another look around. “Nope, no library,” she muttered quietly. One last look at the gallows, a slight shake of the head, she then took a deep breath. Squaring her shoulders, she fixed a look on one of individuals waiting. She stepped forward to her random choice, and interruptedhisher thoughts.
“Forgive me, but I am not sure where I am headed. Can you please direct me to whomever here deals primarily in books?” She shifted her heavy bag to draw attention to it. “I am hoping to discuss a bit of business with… er…” She trailed off, blushing, then deftly pulled her pack around to drop it to the ground with a thud. Opening the flap, she fished out a small, well worn set of papers. Beneath are a number of old books. She sighed again as she straightened. “I don’t actually have a name to contact. Can you direct me to the village bookseller? Or, if there is none, the most likely place to find someone with a large collection?”
Will this work? If so, have fun with your interpretation of my little character... I figured a bit lost would explain away any in-character errors...Last edited by Kalrany; 2012-10-11 at 12:02 PM. Reason: stuff
78% of all DM's start their first campaign in a tavern. If you're among the 22% who didn't, copy and paste this into your signature and tell us where you DID begin.The players were attacked individually on the road on the way to town by werewolves. To survive, they had to team up then and there without knowing anything about eachother (literally -- all character sheets were completed without other players' knowledge).
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2012-10-11, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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