OOTS #1035 - The Discussion Thread

[davidbofinger]

They can punch through ice. Ice doesn't have much hardness. They both almost certainly have power attack too.
Please remember this is D&D physics, not real world physics.

If they are able to punch through the ice themselves, it negates Lien's cleverness in getting the yrthak to do it for them. From a plot point of view the ice needs to be tough enough to force that tactic. Of course they might find a thin point by searching.

[8BitNinja]

That said, I'd have a sad if either O-Chul or Lien die. They're superbly crafted artisanal characters.

Q

Just wondering, you like artisans a lot, are you ESFP

I'm assuming artisan performer since you are a bard

[Ruck]

If they are able to punch through the ice themselves, it negates Lien's cleverness in getting the yrthak to do it for them. From a plot point of view the ice needs to be tough enough to force that tactic. Of course they might find a thin point by searching.

If they punched through the ice themselves, the yrthak rider would be a lot more suspicious when they "fell" in. Making it look like an accident is the better plan for actually getting the rider to leave.

[8BitNinja]

If they punched through the ice themselves, the yrthak rider would be a lot more suspicious when they "fell" in. Making it look like an accident is the better plan for actually getting the rider to leave.

Maybe they'll pull off what Azog did in the Battle of the Five Armies movie

[zimmerwald1915]

Of course they might find a thin point by searching.

That's exactly what they did. Lien spotted a thin patch of ice (you can tell because it's slightly darker than the surrounding ice) and had O-Chul stand with her on top of it when they took the yrthak's attack.

[Ruck]

Maybe they'll pull off what Azog did in the Battle of the Five Armies movie

I never saw it.

[8BitNinja]

I never saw it.

Spoiler: Ending of The Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies

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After Thorin knocks Azog into the water, he swims up under the ice and stabs Thorin, killing him

[Kantaki]

Spoiler: Ending of The Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies

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After Thorin knocks Azog into the water, he swims up under the ice and stabs Thorin, killing him

That might be a wee bit difficult considering the yrthak and it's rider are flying away right now.
Unless O-Chul and Lien have been hiding a balista this entire time I don't see them pulling it off.
But I'm sure they can find a way.

[F.Harr]

The guy with the horns looked so disapointed.

[Quibblicious]

Please remember this is D&D physics, not real world physics.

Stop using logic and rationality to ruin our arguments!



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[Quibblicious]

Just wondering, you like artisans a lot, are you ESFP

I'm assuming artisan performer since you are a bard

I'll craft an artisanal response...

I mostly do it as a form or sarcastic mockery of the late artisanal movement. There's much good to be had there, but much to poke fun at, such as artisanal toast (A REAL THING).

And performers cannot be artisans. Artisans produce concrete "useful" things like firewood, pencils, and toast; artists create stuff that's not that useful but is artsy.

I am an artist as a bard, an artisan as a woodworker, a Marine when it comes to wreaking violence on my enemies, a biker when it comes to partying.

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[Amatius]

Do you think the raider of the Ythrak is a bugbear?

[8BitNinja]

I'll craft an artisanal response...

I mostly do it as a form or sarcastic mockery of the late artisanal movement. There's much good to be had there, but much to poke fun at, such as artisanal toast (A REAL THING).

And performers cannot be artisans. Artisans produce concrete "useful" things like firewood, pencils, and toast; artists create stuff that's not that useful but is artsy.

I am an artist as a bard, an artisan as a woodworker, a Marine when it comes to wreaking violence on my enemies, a biker when it comes to partying.

Q

Q, please remind me to never ask you a straightforward yes or no question ever again

[Seward]

If they are able to punch through the ice themselves, it negates Lien's cleverness in getting the yrthak to do it for them. From a plot point of view the ice needs to be tough enough to force that tactic. Of course they might find a thin point by searching.

Punching through ice will take some time, the sonic attack was area effect.

Pretty much high level melee can punch through steel doors with their bare hands, given a bit of time.

[Shining Wrath]

Do you think the raider of the Ythrak is a bugbear?

Yes, I do. There's been some debate.
As a second choice, a wereboar, but with toes.

[littlebum2002]

Punching through ice will take some time, the sonic attack was area effect.

Pretty much high level melee can punch through steel doors with their bare hands, given a bit of time.

Actually anyone who is capable of doing at least 11 damage will eventually break down a 2" thick iron door.

A level 1 commoner with a greataxe will still connect MOST of the time, and 2/12 times he connects he'll roll an 11 or a 12 and do 1 or 2 damage, respectfully. I mean he'll have to hit the door 90 times to break it down but eventually it will come down.

[Quibblicious]

Q, please remind me to never ask you a straightforward yes or no question ever again

There are no yes/no questions

Q

[8BitNinja]

There are no yes/no questions

Q

Is this the matrix all of a sudden?

If so, I'm not ready for a cyberpunk world, I'm going to need a strength enhancing cyber arm first

[2D8HP]

Stop using logic and rationality to ruin our arguments!



Q

I already have a long Sig that I liked so it wouldn't be fair for me to claim this, but may I suggest that the quote above may perhaps maybe make THE BEST SIG EVER!!!

[Keltest]

I already have a long Sig that I liked so it wouldn't be fair for me to claim this, but may I suggest that the quote above may perhaps maybe make THE BEST SIG EVER!!!

I prefer the much more concise "Don't muddle the issue with facts" myself.

[2D8HP]

I prefer the much more concise "Don't muddle the issue with facts" myself.

Classic!

[8BitNinja]

I already have a long Sig that I liked so it wouldn't be fair for me to claim this, but may I suggest that the quote above may perhaps maybe make THE BEST SIG EVER!!!

Are you talking about my quote, or the quote above his?

[2D8HP]

Are you talking about my quote, or the quote above his?

Sorry I can see why it could be confusing, since if you've read some of my previous posts, my um..er...puzzlement when it comes to Cyberpunk may be suspected (I mean really if you want to "role-play" a Cyberpunk setting, just open your front door and walk outside! Sheesh)!
But the quote I was expressing my enthusiasm for was:

Stop using logic and rationality to ruin our arguments!



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[Quibblicious]

I already have a long Sig that I liked so it wouldn't be fair for me to claim this, but may I suggest that the quote above may perhaps maybe make THE BEST SIG EVER!!!

Thank you very much.

Q

[Quibblicious]

Is this the matrix all of a sudden?

If so, I'm not ready for a cyberpunk world, I'm going to need a strength enhancing cyber arm first

To the best of my knowledge, it is not a matrix type environment.

If it was, I'd know kung fu.

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[davidbofinger]

That's exactly what they did. Lien spotted a thin patch of ice (you can tell because it's slightly darker than the surrounding ice) and had O-Chul stand with her on top of it when they took the yrthak's attack.

I meant an even thinner point. Somewhere they could break through without sonic assistance.

But I guess now there's no time pressure maybe they can break through anywhere.

If they punched through the ice themselves, the yrthak rider would be a lot more suspicious when they "fell" in. Making it look like an accident is the better plan for actually getting the rider to leave.

The rider hung around a long time - hours, probably, anyway long enough for the storm to stop - so presumably thought it quite likely the paladins were still alive. There's no reason to think the rider was tricked into leaving, just outwaited.

[Ruck]

The rider hung around a long time - hours, probably, anyway long enough for the storm to stop - so presumably thought it quite likely the paladins were still alive. There's no reason to think the rider was tricked into leaving, just outwaited.

Of course the rider was tricked. He* left because he thought the paladins drowned or froze to death. They didn't. The rider waiting for them to re-emerge doesn't change that.

If they had broken the ice themselves on purpose and gone under, the rider would have been more likely to assume they would survive and I think less likely to leave, because why would their response to being attacked be to commit suicide in a frozen lake?

[littlebum2002]

Of course the rider was tricked. He* left because he thought the paladins drowned or froze to death. They didn't. The rider waiting for them to re-emerge doesn't change that.

If they had broken the ice themselves on purpose and gone under, the rider would have been more likely to assume they would survive and I think less likely to leave, because why would their response to being attacked be to commit suicide in a frozen lake?

Considering his headgear, perhaps he wanted to recover their corpses to keep part of them as a trophy?

[8BitNinja]

Considering his headgear, perhaps he wanted to recover their corpses to keep part of them as a trophy?

It depends if he was an NPC or a PC,

NPC: Yes

PC: No, he's coming back for their cool magic stuff

[Kantaki]

To the best of my knowledge, it is not a matrix type environment.

If it was, I'd know kung fu.

Q

Unfortunatly that only proves you aren't aware of the Matrix.