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2019-04-05, 04:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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There are exceptions though- all giraffes have a feminine article, for example, meaning that it could just be "el Coco" regardless of the gender unless there is a female form that exists. This also may well not be the case, but my point is that every language is largely built on the exceptions of rules.
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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2019-04-05, 07:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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English is terrible at following its own rules, isn't it?
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2019-04-05, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Rules are made to be broken.
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2019-04-05, 07:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Language rules are written long after they're established, and anyone who thinks they'll hold is kidding themselves. Languages are written by their speakers.
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2019-04-05, 08:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think all the votes and changes are included (and Darth Paul has now moved into first place for most times changing vote). If I missed yours, please let me know.
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2019-04-05, 09:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's been a while since I've been on this thread. I'd like to formally cast my vote for Protean please!
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2019-04-05, 09:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2019-04-06, 03:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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FWIW, V's eyes glow on several occassions, especially when angry, like when he threatened Elan on the boat, or in this comic that I just found by chance.
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2019-04-06, 04:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-06, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Indeed. There is very little consistency in the way glowing eyes are drawn. Miko's eyes glow blue in #281 but are still black in the same circumstances (Detect Evil stopped by a lead sheet) in #208. It could be emotion based but Miko seems to have cooled down a bit in #281 so I'm not sure I'd want to consider it's that.
So much for this idea, I guess. Thanks for pointing out these occurences.Pretending to be one of Peelee's ninja lotsey under Darth Paul.
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2019-04-06, 03:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
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Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
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"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
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2019-04-06, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sounds about right!
As the one who brought up the glowing eyes thing, my point was more that they seemed to indicate that MitD (and possibly but not necessarily anyone else) used some kind of magical ability. It's probably worth noting that the comic's art style has changed, but characters who use spells or replicate spells through other effects still give some sort of visual indication that they're using some kind of magic. The distinct glow of MitD's eyes in the Escape scene suggests he's using magic explicitly, since we wouldn't be able to see any colourful aura surrounding his limbs, as with V, Durkon, or any other spellcaster in the story. Or, at least, I believe that to be the case. Of course, this is complicated by the fact that we don't know exactly what spell/ability MitD used...
Regarding the Escape, something that I've been thinking about recently is how I'm not sure it can be the Protean. Its explanation obviously has the problems of being extremely coincidental, which I suppose is fine, but that seems to conflict with this quote from Rich, as swiped from the first post:
[O-Chul] breaks himself out of the cage, he drives off Redcloak with a lucky shot, and most importantly, he has won the trust of the monster in the darkness over the course of months. So much so that the monster digs deep and discovers powers that he didn't even know he had in order to save him.feed the crows
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2019-04-06, 11:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, if the power he discovered inside himself is the Alter Shape ability - i.e. the ability to control what he morphs into, rather than it being completely random. It also explains why later he can't teleport the goblin: he might be morphing into a creature on purpose, he just doesn't know which creature can teleport.
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2019-04-07, 07:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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It could, of course, be that he literally didn't know he was in a form that let him use the relevant power (or that he can use the powers of the creatures he morphs into) but the Alter Shape thing works too. Basically, is a weird one for the Protean but doesn't really hamper it much at all.
An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
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2019-04-07, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2019-04-07, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
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2019-04-07, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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I agree 100% with Kish's reasoning, do support the vote (with Rob Redblade, that makes two of us), and will yet again point out that there's zero reason we have to use a ridiculous, cumbersome, misapplied, and needlessly "exhausting" for the curator (his own word) system in order to run it.
How about a simple binary choice between
"YES, I would like to raise the CR requirement to 18."
"NO, I would like that requirement to stay where it is."
It would be pretty easy to run. Could even be run publicly, if we ask people to just include their binary vote as part of whatever ongoing discussion is taking place (put them in bold or in color, if you want to be sure).
I'd volunteer to compile these votes, if Kish doesn't.
Oh and BTW, I would vote YES <---- this is how people can vote while posting; pretty seamless no?Last edited by lio45; 2019-04-07 at 01:34 PM.
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2019-04-07, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-04-07, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know what makes you think seconding the call for a vote at this time is a wise decision, after so many people have voiced their opinion that we shouldn't have a vote.
There is such a small chance that a vote for ANY change will pass right now. If there is a vote, my vote is for no change and yes, don't worry, I'll DM GW ASAP.
EDIT: Or I guess ASAN (As Soon As Needed)Last edited by thelivingmonkey; 2019-04-07 at 03:26 PM.
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2019-04-07, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Holding a specific shape (or partial shape), rather than letting himself coalesce into a constant boiling mass of protoplasmic flesh
is different from specifically changing into the shape of a creature with the extraordinary powers he needs at a critical moment. I think the "discovery of his powers" would be that he can choose a specific creature, not just freeze himself into a shape which doesn't represent any specific creature at all.Spoiler(I just came up with that phrase, I think, unless I read it somewhere, but either way I really like the way it rolls off the keyboard)
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2019-04-07, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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An explanation of why MitD being any larger than Huge is implausible.
See my extended signature here! May contain wit, candor, and somewhere from 52 to 8127 walruses.
Purple is humorous descriptions made up on the fly
Green is serious talk about hypothetical
Blue is irony and sarcasm
"I think, therefore I am,
I walk, therefore I stand,
I sleep, therefore I dream;
I joke, therefore I meme."
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2019-04-07, 06:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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The fact that I've personally found the CR requirements to be unacceptably low for about a decade now. I'm always going to be in favor of raising them, and if I happen to be around whenever someone has the good sense of suggesting that particular change, I'll always give them my support and my vote.
Plus, I've been arguing for a while that there's no fundamental reason why running a vote should be "exhausting" on the curator, so, to be coherent with my position, I'm not treating this community having a vote (on a binary matter) as a huge deal that requires lots of work.
As for Peelee's point, I don't necessarily disagree; it could be via PMs as well. However, I happen to think it would probably be okay even if done in the thread. But even via PMs, it's easily compiled, especially if we ask voters to just use the PM Subject for their "yes" or "no".Offer good while supplies last. Two to a customer. Each item sold separately. Batteries not included. Mileage may vary. All sales are final. Allow six weeks for delivery. Some items not available. Some assembly required. Some restrictions may apply. All entries become our property. Employees not eligible. Entry fees not refundable. Local restrictions apply. Void where prohibited. Except in Indiana.
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2019-04-07, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I suppose this suffices as a technical explanation, but I don't know. Wouldn't he still need to know the creature he's transforming into for the Protean's Alter Shape to satisfy the Escape? I don't know if that is knowledge MitD possesses, since he doesn't seem to know what he is himself, though I guess that's too subjective to judge either way.
I don't have opinions on the Protean either way, though I'd be surprised if MitD revealed himself to be the shifting mass of flesh that is the Hagunemnon, since I've been reading the descriptions of his capabilities (i.e. the stomp, swallowing Redcloak whole) as suggestive of appendages that aren't constantly changing. That's my personal read, though, and I admit it would be kind of amusing for RC to betray Xykon, and MitD having an, "ugh, hold on, one second," moment as he morphs back into having a mouth to satisfy Xykon's command for him.
Unrelated: I looked back at the SRD page for the Hagunemnon and noticed it has "immunities," though the page doesn't articulate what they're actually immune to. Does anyone know what it's immunities actually are? I'm curious!
It's also not great to have voting periods follow one another so closely, especially when the last one was against making any changes. I think it'd be better to wait, especially since the last one was so contentious.feed the crows
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2019-04-08, 01:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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My theory (unless it's better phrased as an hypothesis) goes something like this:
The Monster has been hanging around Team Evil, specifically Redcloak, the knowledge guy, for years. MitD has this Detect Thoughts power (assuming he is a Protean). He doesn't really have much to do, because they don't trust him to do much, but sometimes, he reads thoughts. It's a power he's not really aware of having because he's always had it. So, without fully realizing it, he's picked up a lot of Redcloak's knowledge.
Now comes the time when he needs to find the power to help O-Chul Escape. Where should O-Chul Escape to? In V's mind, MitD can see an Azurite settlement. O-Chul's other friends! Cool! How will he Escape? If only there were some creature MitD could turn into that had the ability to teleport everybody to that place! Well... Redcloak was thinking about psionic powers just the other day, and he was reading about a creature that has the psionic ability to teleport... so... try really hard... and.... change...
Is it a huge stretch? Perhaps. Does it make a sort of sense? Perhaps.
EDIT: I see the SRD lists a +47 Intimidate skill. Would that account for the instance of shouting at Haley and Belkar, rather than a Shout spell of some kind? Even at a lower level of skill due to his youth?Last edited by Darth Paul; 2019-04-08 at 01:08 AM.
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2019-04-08, 06:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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There's another thing:
I just read that the Protean can only copy extraordinal abilities, but not spell like ones.
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2019-04-08, 07:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”