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2011-11-02, 08:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: My Little Pony XXX: Trixie Treats!
Reminds me of this article in regards to the similar process of Smurf names.
"Okay, so I'm going to quick draw and dual wield these one-pound caltrops as improvised weapons..."
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"Oh, hey, look! Blue Eyes Black Lotus!" "Wait what, do you sacrifice a mana to the... Does it like, summon a... What would that card even do!?" "Oh, it's got a four-energy attack. Completely unviable in actual play, so don't worry about it."
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2011-11-02, 08:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've actually been thinking about a ponified version of the Eberron setting for some time. The dragonmarks are a result of a strange phenomenon in which ponies gain the exact same cutie mark. These magically increase their skill at their special talent. Ponies with these talents banded together to form the Dragonmarked houses and they gained a monopoly on a certain type of industry. For example, Applejack and her family could team up with the other farming ponies to create House Vadalis.
Aberrant marked ponies could have cutie marks related to "darker" talents and magic that isn't related to the 12 houses.
Too bad there isn't an earth Alicorn, though. Celestia and Luna work as Siberys and Khyber, but there's no stand in for Eberron.
That's cute. And I'm okay with Golden Harvest. But that's just because I'm a big fan of 60's kung fu movies. I still kind of like Carrot Top better.
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2011-11-02, 08:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-02, 08:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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What's your point? You don't use a taser if you can shoot lightning directly...
As I have said, there is simply NO WAY that an unsupported monomolecular wire can be used as a whip (or likely, even as much of anything; virtually any electric current down a monomolecular wire is going to be enough to melt it).
Atomic bonds are simply not strong enough to withstand the loads involved on an individual level. To do anything, not even be used as a frame work for stuff to work on. They just aren't. So, if your mono-whip has to be supported by a forcefield - what that really means is it IS a forcefield, because a monomolecular strip is, in all practicality, at human scale completely negligable.
Magic can certainly be a science, but science is not magic.
(And if you could make a substance THAT STRONG, you wouldn't use it for whips, you'd make armour out of it, and damn the costs, because it would be very probably actually nuke-proof. And if it's so expensive to make to make you can't make enough to do that, you really, really, REALLY wouldn't use what little you had in an inefficent weapon.)
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You don't mean a lightsabre, surely; because they don't have a monomolecular edge, because the blade's not made of matter, it's made of energy (and doesn't cut through the same function, same as a laser and a knife don't.) But I can't think of any other very famous sci-fi edged weapons. Enlighten me.
Also, a monomolecular edge is, again, a completely different kettle of fish to a monofilament; the former is merely a (regular) blade that's really sharp (giving you the maximum ratio of applied force to surface area), while the latter is unusuable for anything above molecular level magnitude.
I mean, seriously, I am trying to impress on you all how utterly tiny a molecule is in comparison to a human-sized target that it's supposed to be cutting.
It's saying you can cut an object the size and weight of 13600 Nimitz aircraft carriers1 - a cube 24 x 24 x 24 aircraft carriers, total dimensions roughly 8km by 2km by 2km - with a string the same weight as a human (at about 80 kg or thereabouts) unravelled, to assume roughly the same proprotions (2m whip equalish 2m human), to itself 8km.
It is just Not. Happening. [Morbo voice]Physics does not work that way![/Morbo voice]
You can't claim to be using science, as opposed to fiction, without actually, you know, using science.
Blues Noteworthy doesn't sound too bad to me (though yeah, I was never struck with Blues, either).
Someone on ED suggested that Berry Punch's full name is Berryshine Punch and the former was a nickname (which again, I could see.)
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Except for the horn part I guess, I'd missed that...!
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Yeah, I got nuthin'.
1That's a seventeen million times the mass of an 80kg human at 100000000kg (100000 tons) per carrier.
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2011-11-02, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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I like Lyra Heartstrings and Blues Noteworthy. Golden Harvest Carrot not as much.
Then again, I like Ramona T. Colgate as a full name too.
Berryshine? Well, we've seen multiple background ponies with the same cutie mark, and I don't think it's definitive that cutie marks have to be unique to a single pony.
That or Berry Punch sold her horn to buy booze.Blue Star Topaz is my name
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2011-11-02, 08:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-02, 08:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's not like they can use anything for actual products, that they make money one, that they didn't make up themselves; they wouldn't have any legal legs to stand on. The risk would be just too great.
What would rather have - "officially" named background pony toys or no background pony toys?
You were never going to have gotten fanon names on a released toy product - even if, by some miracle, they made reference to fanon in the cartoon. It's one thing to make aside to the fans in a show trailer, totally another to release a product named by someone else, even a collective someone else (and someone had to have come up with the names in the first place.)
Derpy/Ditzy (and for the record, as I've said before, I have always preferred Ditzy Doo) may be an exception, and if she does turn out to be, everypony should be grateful they got one.Last edited by Aotrs Commander; 2011-11-02 at 08:59 PM.
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2011-11-02, 09:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not allowed to trash talk Hasbro on the blog, so hi Ponythread. I'm back.
My immediate overreaction is that I would rather give back all of my other pony toys than have any official background pony toys at all if this is what they're going to do with them. Not that I would wish there were no toys at all - that would mean there is no show. But I will put all of my ponies back on the shelves they came from right this second.
You can't have her, Hasbro. She's mine.
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2011-11-02, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I prefer Noteworthy to Blues. Lyra Heartstrings as a full name works, or maybe Heartstrings is a stage name. Golden Harvest does little for me.
As for Berryshine, maybe the horn is a stra...
Actually. No. I'm not going to make that joke.
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2011-11-02, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-02, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Noteworthy Blues" doesn't like a terrible name to me. Kinda poignant sounding, I think. "Lyra Heartstrings" is workable too, although I won't be able to help thinking of Lyra Belacqua/Silvertongue every time I hear it.
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2011-11-02, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wait, I missed another shambling abomination shuffling out of the mad science labs of Hasbro?
Do tell
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2011-11-02, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Its okay everypony its okay, that is clearly not Lyra. She has spiky short bluish-grey hair with a white streak, and this Heartstrings has a white hair in addition to a Hime cut. We've seen cutie marks repeat before after all.
Like this Berryshine unicorn is clearly not our Berry Punch earth pony.
Only the show can name ponies, not Hasbro!
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2011-11-02, 09:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-02, 09:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also!!
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Kippy!! You're such a part of the MLP fandom you're even on the SHELVES with them in stores!!
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2011-11-02, 09:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-02, 09:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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We're always here for when you need to trash talk enormous faceless corporations.
I'm kinda with you, though. Which is disappointing - I want really badly for Hasbro to sell me the things I want, and their constant refusal to do so is progressively frustrating. Shut up and take my money.jpg
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2011-11-02, 09:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly Hasbro doesn't depress me. This depresses me. Some pony needs to explain how this is going to work or we're going to have to smack a filly to the moon.
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2011-11-02, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-02, 09:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes.
Actually, that is exactly what I'm expecting.
Has Hasbro not practically bent over backwards in trying to engage the fanbase as best they can? Have they not been far more accomodating than many big companies would have been?
This fandom is based on love and tolerance, preportedly. This thread more so.
So, yeah, when something comes along that, for blindingly obvious legal reasons, does not match up exactly with fanon, I do actually expect a reasoned, tolerant response from everypony; they've at least earned some leeway, have they not?
(I mean ye gods, compared to most big companies of late...)
I'm frankly a little disappointed at the knee-jerk negative reactions. (I'm extremely surprised to see it from you, of all ponies, Phoe.)
Or has it not occurred to you, the possibility that some well-meaning Hasbro employee or employees, who thought it might have been jolly fun to put out all the background ponies that are so clearly beloved, in some official way, to the best of their abilities, within their legal constraints, who might now be feeling a bit sick and guilty over the back lash? Or weeping miserable tears into their pony plushy, because they were just trying to help and do something cool and now everyone hates them?
No?
Or are we assuming everyone at Hasbro is a Bleakbane-esque, money-grubbing, moustache-twirling manic who specifically does this to annoy you all personally? (Heaven forfend anyone working at Hasbro might actually like doing their jobs or anything...)
Tsk, tsk.
Now, ponythread, I want you to go and sit in that corner and think about what you've done, until I've finished meditating.
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2011-11-02, 09:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ooh, wiki wars. This is not likely going to be pretty.
EDIT: For the record, I agree with the Commander. If MLP was, say, Sony's instead of Hasbro's property, the first YouTube videos would have been met with a snowstorm of C&Ds. Never mind custom ponies and plushies on ebay.Last edited by Topaz; 2011-11-02 at 09:49 PM.
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2011-11-02, 09:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-11-02, 09:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm pretty sure everyone decided the canon names were cognomens. Anyone just want to go with that?
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2011-11-02, 09:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wait wait wait wait wait
I was denied flamewars over Luna because everyone loved her too much
And now I'm getting my chance for flamewars over background ponies!
TROLL POWERS ACTI -
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On second thought, I'll not.
She'll always be a filly to meeee~
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2011-11-02, 09:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not mad about this. I think Aotrs has the right idea of it here. It would have been nice if they gave them the names we gave them but there are reasons they couldn't and there was no malice behind it.
You'll never see me calling them by anything but their real names though. Lyra will always be Lyra and nothing can change that. She'll always be that silly little pony who sits like a human and is married to Bon-Bon. They haven't taken her away from anyone.
Edit: Hell, maybe someday I'll actually own a couple of them. I'd love to have a Lyra and a Big Mac. Not to keen on Berry though, she isn't supposed to be a unicorn.Last edited by Bayonet Priest; 2011-11-02 at 09:58 PM.
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2011-11-02, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Lyra Heartstrings and Berryshine Punch both work perfectly well for me. Likewise, Noteworthy seems a very 'old fashioned' name, the kind you'd expect to be nicknamed over entirely, so Blues as what people actually call him seems right, too. Golden Harvest just isn't a name, though.
The linked discussion seems to cover it nicely though, the Toy division's main concern is making sure the names they use can actually be copywrited properly and safely, and are widely ignored as far as cannon uses in all other properties they deal with. It's pretty safe to ignore, or incorporate the names as you see fit, because they'll only become canon if they really catch on. It's not particularly worth drama.
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2011-11-02, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know what kind of standards you hold me to, but I am allowed to, just this once, take an unreasonable stance and be upset that something I loved more than any other single piece in this series that I adore has suddenly become stuck in this quagmire of controversy and argument over a stupid bit of molded plastic.
I am not a robot or a being of perfect logic and reason. I have emotions and I am damn sure allowed to experience them. Would you prefer I stuffed them somewhere else until they hurt me?