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Alright, I've decided on how I'm going to (eventually) organize this. I'll have classes organized by publisher and classes organized by "role" (spellcaster, gish, fighter, etc.). Each class will have a spoiler that has a description that includes approximate Tier and a brief description.
Sound good?
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2012-04-04, 07:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Alright. Word has an option to make a table in the "Insert" tab. You can add as much as you want, OR make it from a list, like the one you have.
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Tell you what. I'll throw together a table, and post it in a couple of hours. If you PM me your email, I can send you a copy of the word doc I'll be using for creating the base table. Sound good?Avatar by Ceika.
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No worries. Compiling the Base Classes is a fine task in and of itself.
Hey wanna do all the playable races?
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Well, it's the whole "make table, then copy-paste to get it to look right on the forum" thing.
See, when a table from Word is copied to the forum, it... Well, gets some spaces to either side of the cell. What's inside these quotes " ". Note the size.
Control+H lets you search a Word doc for something and replace it. That's what I was suggesting be done- create table in Word, copy to here, copy the copy to another Word doc, and replace those things between data with |s.
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Here, have the WotC sanctioned base classes, including the ECS and Dragon Comp stuff that you missed.
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Key:
EPH- Expanded Psionics Handbook
C Psi- Complete Psionics
C Arc- Complete Arcane
C Div- Complete Divine
C War- Complete Warrior
C Adv- Complete Adventurer
Dungeon- Dungeonscape
[Name] CS- [Name] Campaign Setting
PHB- Player's Handbook
PHB2- Player's Handbook 2
DMG- Dungeon Master's Guide
OA- Oriental Adventures
ToB- Tome of Battle
ToM- Tome of Magic
MoI- Magic of Incarnum
HoH- Heroes of Horror
DC- Dragon Compendium Vol 1. No, there isn't a Vol 2.
{table=head]Class name|Book|Tier|Role|Notes
Marshal |Mini's Handbook|||
Healer|Mini's Handbook|||
Psion|EPH|||
Psychic Warrior|EPH|||
Wilder|EPH|||
Soulknife|EPH|||
Lurk|C Psi|||
Divine Mind|C Psi|||
Ardent|C Psi|||
Erudite|C Psi|||
Warmage|C Arc|||
Wu Jen|C Arc|||
Warlock|C Arc|||
Favored Soul |C Div|||
Spirit Shaman|C Div|||
Shugenja|C Div|||
Samurai|C War|||
Hexblade|C War|||
Swashbuckler|C War|||
Spellthief|C Adv|||
Scout|C Adv|||
Ninja|C Adv|||
Factotum|Dungeon|||
Mystic |Dragonlance CS|||
Noble|Dragonlance CS|||
Nightstalker|RoAnsalon|||
Mariner|Age of Mortals|||
Master|War of the Lance|||
Adept|DMG|||
Aristocrat|DMG|||
Commoner|DMG|||
Warrior|DMG|||
Expert|DMG|||
Witch|DMG|||
Bard|PHB|||
Barbarian|PHB|||
Druid|PHB|||
Cleric|PHB|||
Sorcerer|PHB|||
Wizard|PHB|||
Fighter|PHB|||
Ranger|PHB|||
Paladin|PHB|||
Rogue|PHB|||
Monk|PHB|||
Incarnate|MoI|||
Soulborn|MoI|||
Totemist|MoI|||
Binder|ToM|||
Shadowcaster|ToM|||
Truenamer|ToM|||
Eidolon|Ghostwalk|||
Eidoloncer|Ghostwalk|||
Knight|PHB2|||
Beguiler|PHB2|||
Dragon Shaman|PHB2|||
Duskblade|PHB2|||
Dragonfire Adept|Dragon Magic|||
Shaman|OA|||
Sohei|OA|||
Samurai|OA|||
Wu Jen|OA|||
Shugenja|OA|||
Crusader|ToB|||
Swordsage|ToB|||
Warblade|ToB|||
Archivist|HoH|||
Dread Necromancer|HoH|||
Sha’ir|DC|||
Battle Dancer|DC|||
Jester|DC|||
Mountebank|DC|||
Savant|DC|||
Urban Druid|DC|||
Artificer|Eberron CS|||
Magewright|Eberron CS|||[/table]
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Spoiler{table=head]Class name|Book|Tier|Role|Notes
Marshal |Mini's Handbook|4||
Healer|Mini's Handbook|5||
Psion|EPH|2||
Psychic Warrior|EPH|3||
Wilder|EPH|2||
Soulknife|EPH|5||
Lurk|C Psi|4||
Divine Mind|C Psi|||
Ardent|C Psi|2||
Erudite|C Psi|2||
Warmage|C Arc|4||
Wu Jen|C Arc|1||
Warlock|C Arc|3||
Favored Soul |C Div|2||
Spirit Shaman|C Div|3||
Shugenja|C Div|4||
Samurai|C War|6||
Hexblade|C War|4||
Swashbuckler|C War|5||
Spellthief|C Adv|5||
Scout|C Adv|5||
Ninja|C Adv|5||
Factotum|Dungeon|3||
Mystic |Dragonlance CS|3||
Noble|Dragonlance CS|4||
Nightstalker|RoAnsalon|||
Mariner|Age of Mortals|4||
Master|War of the Lance|5||
Adept|DMG|||
Aristocrat|DMG|||
Commoner|DMG|||
Warrior|DMG|||
Expert|DMG|||
Witch|DMG|||
Bard|PHB|3||
Barbarian|PHB|4||
Druid|PHB|1||
Cleric|PHB|1||
Sorcerer|PHB|2||
Wizard|PHB|1||
Fighter|PHB|5||
Ranger|PHB|||
Paladin|PHB|||
Rogue|PHB|||
Monk|PHB|||
Incarnate|MoI|||
Soulborn|MoI|||
Totemist|MoI|||
Binder|ToM|3||
Shadowcaster|ToM|3||
Truenamer|ToM|(completely and utterly broken)||
Eidolon|Ghostwalk|3||
Eidoloncer|Ghostwalk|2||
Knight|PHB2|4||
Beguiler|PHB2|3||
Dragon Shaman|PHB2|4||
Duskblade|PHB2|4||
Dragonfire Adept|Dragon Magic|3||
Shaman|OA|2||
Sohei|OA|4||
Samurai|OA|4||
Wu Jen|OA|1||
Shugenja|OA|||
Crusader|ToB|||
Swordsage|ToB|||
Warblade|ToB|||
Archivist|HoH|||
Dread Necromancer|HoH|||
Sha’ir|DC|(broken)||
Battle Dancer|DC|4||
Jester|DC|3||
Mountebank|DC|3||
Savant|DC|3||
Urban Druid|DC|||
Artificer|Eberron CS|||
Magewright|Eberron CS|||[/table]
Did approximate Tiers...not sure if they're all right thoughLast edited by Empedocles; 2012-04-04 at 09:40 PM.
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2012-04-04, 09:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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A few aren't. Like Warmage.
Read here. That's the most recent posting, and it should help figure these out for some.Last edited by The-Mage-King; 2012-04-04 at 09:32 PM.
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2012-04-04, 10:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll admit I'm not great with the tier business, here is an example of what I was thinking:
GREENBOND
“I sing through the land, and the land sings through me.”
The greenbond is a mage who deals with nature. He speaks
the language of the leaves, of a babbling brook, or the stony
heartrock of a mountain. He remains in tune with the health of
the land around him. The greenbond is an animist who deals
with the spirits animate within all things—trees, rocks, rivers,
ponds, and even the air around him.
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On the DSP wiki, there is also the nexus class (full rules in the process of being put up).
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Spoiler{table=head]Class name|Book|Tier|Role|Notes
Marshal |Mini's Handbook|4||
Healer|Mini's Handbook|5||
Psion|EPH|2||
Psychic Warrior|EPH|3||
Wilder|EPH|3||
Soulknife|EPH|5||
Lurk|C Psi|5||
Divine Mind|C Psi|6||
Ardent|C Psi|3||
Erudite|C Psi|2||
Warmage|C Arc|4||
Wu Jen|C Arc|2||
Warlock|C Arc|4||
Favored Soul |C Div|2||
Spirit Shaman|C Div|2||
Shugenja|C Div|3||
Samurai|C War|6||
Hexblade|C War|4||
Swashbuckler|C War|5||
Spellthief|C Adv|5||
Scout|C Adv|5||
Ninja|C Adv|5||
Factotum|Dungeon|3||
Mystic |Dragonlance CS|2||
Noble|Dragonlance CS|4||
Nightstalker|RoAnsalon|4||
Mariner|Age of Mortals|5||
Master|War of the Lance|4||
Adept|DMG|4||
Aristocrat|DMG|6||
Commoner|DMG|6||
Warrior|DMG|6||
Expert|DMG|5||
Witch|DMG|2||
Bard|PHB|3||
Barbarian|PHB|4||
Druid|PHB|1||
Cleric|PHB|1||
Sorcerer|PHB|2||
Wizard|PHB|1||
Fighter|PHB|5||
Ranger|PHB|4||
Paladin|PHB|5||
Rogue|PHB|4||
Monk|PHB|5||
Incarnate|MoI|3||
Soulborn|MoI|5||
Totemist|MoI|3||
Binder|ToM|3||
Shadowcaster|ToM|||
Truenamer|ToM|N/A||
Eidolon|Ghostwalk|5||
Eidoloncer|Ghostwalk|2||
Knight|PHB2|4||
Beguiler|PHB2|3||
Dragon Shaman|PHB2|4||
Duskblade|PHB2|4||
Dragonfire Adept|Dragon Magic|3||
Shaman|OA|2||
Sohei|OA|4||
Samurai|OA|4||
Wu Jen|OA|2||
Shugenja|OA|||
Crusader|ToB|3||
Swordsage|ToB|3||
Warblade|ToB|3||
Archivist|HoH|1||
Dread Necromancer|HoH|3||
Sha’ir|DC|2||
Battle Dancer|DC|5||
Jester|DC|4||
Mountebank|DC|||
Savant|DC|3||
Urban Druid|DC|2||
Artificer|Eberron CS|1||
Magewright|Eberron CS|5||[/table]
Added some tier stuff. And by some, I mean "The rest".
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Spoiler{table=head]Class name|Book|Tier|Role|Notes
Marshal |Mini's Handbook|4||
Healer|Mini's Handbook|5|Healbot|
Psion|EPH|2|Caster|
Psychic Warrior|EPH|3|Gish|
Wilder|EPH|3|Caster|
Soulknife|EPH|5||
Lurk|C Psi|5|Sneak|
Divine Mind|C Psi|6||
Ardent|C Psi|3||
Erudite|C Psi|2|Caster|
Warmage|C Arc|4|Blaster|
Wu Jen|C Arc|2|Caster|
Warlock|C Arc|4|Caster|
Favored Soul |C Div|2|Caster|
Spirit Shaman|C Div|2|Caster|
Shugenja|C Div|3|Caster|
Samurai|C War|6|Melee|
Hexblade|C War|4|Melee|
Swashbuckler|C War|5|Melee|
Spellthief|C Adv|5|Skill gish|
Scout|C Adv|5|skill monkey|
Ninja|C Adv|5|skill monkey|
Factotum|Dungeon|3|skill monkey|
Mystic |Dragonlance CS|2||
Noble|Dragonlance CS|4||
Nightstalker|RoAnsalon|4||
Mariner|Age of Mortals|5||
Master|War of the Lance|4||
Adept|DMG|4|Caster|
Aristocrat|DMG|6||
Commoner|DMG|6|Canon fodder|
Warrior|DMG|6|Melee|
Expert|DMG|5|Skill monkey|
Witch|DMG|2|Caster|
Bard|PHB|3|Skill gish|
Barbarian|PHB|4|Melee|
Druid|PHB|1|Caster|
Cleric|PHB|1|Caster|
Sorcerer|PHB|2|Caster|
Wizard|PHB|1|Caster|
Fighter|PHB|5|Melee|
Ranger|PHB|4|Melee|
Paladin|PHB|5|Melee|
Rogue|PHB|4|Skill monkey|
Psychic Rogue|Online|3|Skill gish|
Monk|PHB|5|Melee|
Incarnate|MoI|3||
Soulborn|MoI|5||
Totemist|MoI|3||
Binder|ToM|3||
Shadowcaster|ToM|4|Caster|
Truenamer|ToM|N/A|Caster|
Eidolon|Ghostwalk|5||
Eidoloncer|Ghostwalk|2||
Knight|PHB2|4|Melee|
Beguiler|PHB2|3|Caster/skillmonkey|
Dragon Shaman|PHB2|4||
Duskblade|PHB2|3|Gish|
Dragonfire Adept|Dragon Magic|3|Caster|
Shaman|OA|2|Caster|
Sohei|OA|4||
Samurai|OA|4|Melee|
Wu Jen|OA|2|Caster|
Shugenja|OA||Caster|
Crusader|ToB|3|Melee|
Swordsage|ToB|3|Melee/skillmonkey|
Warblade|ToB|3|Melee|
Archivist|HoH|1|Caster|
Dread Necromancer|HoH|3|Caster|
Sha’ir|DC|2||
Battle Dancer|DC|5||
Jester|DC|4||
Mountebank|DC|||
Savant|DC|3||
Urban Druid|DC|2||
Artificer|Eberron CS|1|Crafter|
Magewright|Eberron CS|5||[/table]
I participated!
I added a tier to shadowcasters (they're tier 4), changed duskblade's tier (they're low tier 3, not tier 4), added the psychic rogue class from online (I think it goes in this table) and a few roles.
I'm wondering whether I should have counted the cleric and druid as gishes, since they get decent melee capability.
What role would Binder be? Caster? Gish?Last edited by Randomguy; 2012-04-05 at 12:33 AM.
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Utility. They get changable stuff, so...
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Actually, since I have access to a lot of what you have listed here, what are the rules when it comes to this d20/srd/ogl whatever business in regards to posting it out right here?
What are the limitations?Path of the Nefarious: A Way of the Wicked Journal.
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Basically, it's the flavor we have to be careful about overdoing. Most crunch is published under the OGL, but all images and fluff is considered closed game content. Despite this, it's probably unwise to actually give any specific crunchy stuff (like you can say the greenbond is a spellcaster who speaks with nature, but don't say it has a low BAB progression).
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Cool project. Really, really ambitious.
I'm not really sifting through the list for omissions, but two that stood out were Frost & Fur and Rokugan Campaign setting, which have a few more classes.
Just a quick rundown and Tier rundown, in case that's going in here:
F&F:
Godi - Like a cleric with an extra domain, extra skills, no turning and a crappier spell list. T2.
Vitki - Full-casting buffer with severely limited spell list and few powerful high-level effects, but a breakable casting mechanic. T3.
Voela - Nerfed Druid with decent spell list, but a terrible casting mechanic. From T2 to T5, depending on circumstances. Let's say T3.
Angakoq - Ghost-themed Druid-type. T2.
Cossack - Mundane mounted combat. T6.
Koldun - Evil Charisma-based Wizard. Very limited, but very powerful spells. T2, but with a lot of potential to suck.
Volkhov - Divine caster with powerful spell list, Druid framework. T2.
RCS:
[Samurai/Shugenja reprinted from Oriental Adventures]
Courtier - Social skillmonkey designed for Diplomancy with built-in Leadership (but Fighter/Samurai cohorts only). Without abusing Diplomacy too hard, probably T5.
Ninja - Funky combat-focused Rogue. T5.
Inkyo - Monk, minus the class abilities. T6.
There's also Kobold Paragon, if you're trying to account for all of those.
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HOW AM I NOT CLAWING THROUGH THIS BOOK RIGHT NOW?Last edited by eggs; 2012-04-05 at 03:30 PM.
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Added frost and fur, adding Rokugan Setting in a minute. Need to recount the number of classes, and would like to have the number of official WotC classes, number of monster classes, paragon classes, and 3rd party publisher's classes.
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My little contribution.
I personally would be fine with just Name|Book|Approximate Tier|Approximate Role|Any note on why they are in the tier, what type of system they use (Psionic, Arcane, Divine...).
I personally will only care about things that are Tier 4 and higher and will read over everything I would allow before allowing it, as the DM, so just a quick Tier number would be good enough.