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2024-03-21, 10:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
Looks to me like Roy's inflicted a serious wound and there are maybe a dozen smaller ones.
EDIT: I don't know if Calder got an accurate head count on the Order when he mind-bent Sunny. He may not be aware that he just sent Sunny to summon reinforcements. Because yeah, lay on hands followed by Sunny helping the paladins back into the fight is fairly likely.Last edited by Shining Wrath; 2024-03-21 at 10:05 AM.
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2024-03-21, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
Spontanously I would say no. An antimagic field is described as an emanation (and a beholder's cone is described as working just like the field, except cone-shaped); that means a.o. that it can't go through barriers. If you have full cover, for example because a wall is between you and the beholder, the "line of effect" is disrupted and you remain unaffected. And a creature's stomach walls count. The antimagic cone would only affect devoured creatures if you shine it directly down Calder's throat.
Nope. To target something with a spell, you need to have "line of effect". Rule of thump: if you can't shoot an arrow at something, you can't target it with most spells.
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2024-03-21, 10:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
I wonder if Sunny can levitate the paladins with telekinesis
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2024-03-21, 10:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-03-21, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-03-21, 10:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
I've never heard this phrasing before, but I love it.
My view was that Sunny can levitate themself, and Sunny is big enough for a paladin to ride on top.
But, regardless, Sunny can almost certainly carry at least one.Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2024-03-21, 10:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
I din’t know much about D&D, much less D&D Dragons or specifically Red Dragons, but everything I’ve seen about Calder so far is that Calder only cares about Calder
I feel like logically the paladins should just heal Sunny and rejoin the group, but narratively this feels like a reason to split them from the party. It is reaching the point where there are too many people to give focus to.
Calder’s already taken Chekov’s dinosaur off the wall. If Bloodfeast dies in the next page, the whole Calder story will have already paid narrative dividends.
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2024-03-21, 10:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
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2024-03-21, 10:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2024-03-21, 10:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-03-21, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
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2024-03-21, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-03-21, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
Counter point:
The order and Sereni manage to beat down the dragon to near death. Calder, always trying to save his own skin, gasps out "I... I submit..."
Sereni: "Ha, Good try, but you don't have any paladins around to force us to agree this time!"
Soon and Lien (riding in on Sunny after healing her): "We have arrived!"
Sereni: "DAMMIT!"
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2024-03-21, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-03-21, 11:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
Why does everyone assume the Paladins will accept their surrender? Miko Miyazaki could seemingly get away with killing anyone , provided they pinged positive on Detect Evil. If they submit, then its time for a drumhead court martial followed by a swift execution.
I realize Miko was the wrong way to play a paladin in every way but she did stay a paladin right up to the point where she slew her non-evil liege lord in cold blood. The OOTs lawful good gods don't seem to mind as much the cold-blooded killing of an evil creature provided it really does ping on Detect Evil, which Calder certainly would.
Maybe the paladins will find some other way to neutralize the threat, or some other way to finesse the laws. But I can't believe they're so stupid as to leave such a dangerous threat alive and dangerous behind them while they prepare to confront Xykon the same day.
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2024-03-21, 11:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-03-21, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
Yep.
As well as actual healing spells in Lien's case, yes. So, unless Sunny is dead (which is a possibility I'm ready to exclude, even beyond how there's no X-eye visible), they will soon be more or less fine.
He shoots, he scores!
0. One wonders if Calder has racketball or handball as a hobby back in the day ...
1. Love gnaw gnaw gnaw in the last panel.
2. Why is Sunny's eye closed as he bonks along on the floor? (Caution taught to him by Serini when his lens isn't in?)
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7. Sunny appears to be unconscious in the second to last panel. Or is that still "eye closed due to no lens" caution?
That's likely a moot point given that Calder explicitly said he is not going to surrender again.Last edited by Metastachydium; 2024-03-21 at 11:15 AM.
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2024-03-21, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
I imagine if a solid chunk of my anatomy was a giant eyeball I may develop a very strong flinching mechanism so at least the first two shots of Sunny after getting hit he's probably involuntarily closing his eye, as seen by his furrowed brow. The following shots his brow isn't tensed so I think he has been knocked out at that point.
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2024-03-21, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
Oh, boy, I foresee two actions Belkar will undertake:
1) He save Bloodfeast before he meets Calder's maw.
2) He will give Calder the mother of all stabbing frenzies for introducing Bloodfeast to his maw.
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2024-03-21, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-03-21, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
Worth noting that Ancient Red Dragons (which Calder may or may not be) have a *boatload* of HP and it takes an enormous beating to put one down. Bloodfeast tanked Calder for a couple rounds, allowing the party to get Sunny back on their side and start piling up some damage.
The point being, the last couple rounds weren't so much "The Order is going to cruise now" as "The Order was actually in real trouble at the start and they needed the last couple rounds to even the odds (or a little more)". Even if the Order did (ballpark) 200-250 damage to Calder, the dragon is pretty dinged up but basically fine and not at all close to death. He was more surprised and wrong-footed by Bloodfeast, rather than panicked. Now that Sunny seems entirely out commission (for the moment), Calder likely has many more tricks up his sleeve and ample HP remaining while he uses them."You are what you do. Choose again and change." - Miles Vorkosigan
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2024-03-21, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
Okay, new plan. We need Calder to swallow Sunny too.
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2024-03-21, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
"Besides, you know the saying: Kill one, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Fishman
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2024-03-21, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
Calder's tail whip caused a lot of damage to Sunny and it was enough to make them faint so I would guess Sunny closed their eye because of the pain.
Calder is inside the stasis circle and still moving so it's clear it won't trap anyone again.
Agreed with everything else and this doesn't undermine you point but Roy expects that Monster Hollow holds Team Evil back for about three days.Last edited by fuschiawarrior; 2024-03-21 at 12:06 PM.
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2024-03-21, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1300 - The Discussion Thread
The moment I saw Sunny on the floor with Minrah I thought that's a bad idea.
Either way, I'm still putting my money on Calder likely smashing a hole through the dungeon that Team Evil will just straight up walk through it instead of going through all of Sereni's traps.
Whether he bails or use some powerful AOE is left to be seen.
Of course, it's possible that Sunny is going to go all in and use his Disintegrate ability (he refused on the party) that might make a hole or something.
V is holding a potion so I assume they'll give it to Sunny.
The paladins can lay hands. I haven't followed the geekery thread of what level Lien is as a paladin and whether she has cure spells.
Other than that, I don't see much they can help in the actual combat. O-Chul doesn't have a mount. Razor isn't likely to be useful here. They don't have any of the bigger spells and their smite evil isn't as good as Soon's.
The only other way I think paladins can affect the combat is because Calder likely dropped attempting to dominate them due to Haley's bluff but might try to do that on the paladins if they show up?
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