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2016-11-15, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Hey everyone. I'm thinking about playing a Netural Good Male Lesser Drow Rogue on my third game. Here's a twist the rogue is a lot younger than adulthood. The rogue is a child. Does anybody have any advice of how to be successful playing a male child rogue or thief?
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2016-11-15, 04:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Don't worry mate, you didn't need to say it was a Drow. With you, it is implied.
What kind of stat alterations are you using to represent the child age category, and are you keeping in mind the chance for serious trauma in such a role?
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2016-11-15, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-15, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Also, the character will have a last name that is either "Spade", or "Diamond", because those are the two card suits you haven't used yet.
I believe Pathfinder has a "Child" template that could be used for this. Also, the child adventurer idea is trope-ridden enough that you can totally run something like this without ever having to worry about the consequences of such a thing if it were to happen in "real-life". Unless such a thing is what you are interested in exploring.
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2016-11-15, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-15, 04:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-15, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-15, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Child template could easily be used even in 3.5, sure.
Also, totally subbing to this thread.
The tropes, they are real.
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2016-11-15, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-15, 04:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Use the Savage Drow instead for an extra +2 Int. (Don't take the racial levels.)
Do not skimp on Constitution. You've got a racial penalty and a tiny hit die. You need the extra HP badly.
Pick a prestige class. It will inform your build. I would not recommend going straight rogue. Some good options off the top of my head are Trapsmith, Assassin, Avenger, Slayer of Domiel, Temple Raider of Olidammara, Eye of Xanathar, Life Eater, Urban Savant, Shadowbane Stalker, Unseen Seer, Umbral Disciple, Swordsage (technically not a prestige class but it feels like one), Elocater, and Fatemaker.Rhymes with "Protracted."
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2016-11-15, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-15, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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2016-11-15, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ok here's Eric Spade backstory. Eric Spade was born in a good reform drow rogue family. He's the son of Andrew Spade and Samantha Spade. And he's the brother of Nancy Spade. Andrew spade taught Eric how to be a good rogue drow. Even though he's still a child. He got great potential. He's friends with Stan Club, Kyle Heart and Kenny Diamond. He got a romantic crush on Bonnie Club (Stan's sister). Eric Spade and his friends always get into mischief of their adventures. He join a diverse rouge group called The Light Cloak and Dagger. Where they do good things like helping the community and other stuff. Eric Spade personality is very clever and a bit agressive and domineering. He can be a brat sometimes but deep down inside he a nice kid. The backstory still need some polishing and editing.
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2016-11-15, 05:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Pretty weird for there to be a nice happy nuclear family of good-aligned drow.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
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2016-11-15, 05:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler: Collectible nice thingsMy incarnate/crusader. A self-healing crowd-control melee build (ECL 8).
My Ruby Knight Vindicator barsader. A party-buffing melee build (ECL 14).
Doctor Despair's and my all-natural approach to necromancy.
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2016-11-15, 06:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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So Real, so Real...
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2016-11-15, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah I wouldn't go full rogue, if you end up tumbling in and out of combat alot I'd recommend the swift ambusher feat and 3 levels of scout(which I did), other than that there are some pretty good prcs if you look around, or other rogue like classes, everyone seems to love Beguiler.
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2016-11-16, 12:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-16, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Be melee. Rogues are not ranged characters, no matter what the books tell you. If you're a drow, you might consider dipping Swashbuck and fighter. 3 levels swashbuckler will give you weapon finesse for free, and int as a damage bonus. Drow even have racial levels for both those classes that would benefit a melee rogue a whole lot. Drow fighter gets an initiative bonus and dex to damage against flat-footed foes at level 1, and Drow Swashbuckler lets you take a 5 foot step after hitting with two weapons, but that one is at 7th level. Better to supplement more rogue levels. Don't do drow rogue. Poison use isn't nearly as useful as trapfinding.
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2016-11-16, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Trapsmith: Trap master. Loses some sneak attack damage, gains powerful spells for combat and dungeoneering, can make nifty traps. Quite strong.
Assassin: Loses skill points. Gains instant death attacks and spellcasting that greatly enhances sneak attacks, stealth, and subterfuge.
Avenger: Slightly weaker version of the Assassin with different alignment requirements.
Slayer of Domiel: Good-aligned version of the Assassin with tweaked abilities and divine spells.
Temple Raider: Olidammara-themed divine-casting rogue. Loses skill points, gains useful dungeoneering spells. Not as good as Trapsmith, but still cool.
Eye of Xanathar: Gain a freaky eyeball that gives you Beholder powers, improves your perception and scouting abilities, and allows you to make melee sneak attacks under any conditions (no flanking or flat-footing required). Slower sneak attack progression.
Life Eater: Eat souls. Gain powerful death-related spell-like abilities and deliver negative levels and bleed damage with your sneak attacks. Evil.
Urban Savant: Know everything about your enemies. Literally peek at their statblocks and look at their stats. At higher levels, you can give your whole team buffs with a Knowledge check. Also gives you spellcasting and wild empathy and stuff. Designed for bards, but works great for any skill monkey. Requires a level in an arcane spellcasting class. No sneak attack progression.
Shadowbane Stalker: Good-aligned divine sneak attacker. Gives you divine spellcasting and bonuses to stealth and stuff. Pretty strong. Requires a level of cleric.
Unseen Seer: Arcane sneak attacker. Advances sneak attack and arcane spellcasting. Cast as a wizard while also being a rogue. Also pretty strong. Requires a level of wizard, sorcerer, beguiler, etc.
Umbral Disciple: Gives incarnum-based abilities that provide constant concealment, let you hide in plain sight, and other nifty things. Slower sneak attack progression. Requires an essentia pool. It's common to take only the first 3 levels of this class, because the first 3 levels are great and the next 3 levels after that offer almost no benefits. (7+ is fine, but it just sucks slogging through 4–6.)
Swordsage: The ultimate ninja. Many powerful combat abilities that fit into the fighting style of a ninja assassin martial artist. Deals lots of extra damage and has a plethora of abilities that increase mobility and enable sneak attacks. Very strong for melee rogues, even if you only take one level. May be subject to multiclass xp penalties if you use that rule.
Elocater: Psionic class that lets you levitate at will and gives you powers based on teleportation and movement, as well as advancing psionics. Has a cooperative strike ability instead of sneak attack. Improves flanking. Gives you Teleport and Plane Shift as 3rd level powers. Lots of fun. Requires a level of psion or another manifesting class.
Fatemaker: Gives you spellcasting, bonuses to Charisma, and some abilities themed around luck and fate. Good for the party face.Last edited by Troacctid; 2016-11-16 at 02:36 PM.
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2016-11-16, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-18, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Hi, I'm Linken.
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If you want one, ask.
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2016-11-18, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Damn, and here I was hoping Savage Drow would be an actual alternate race for Drow.
Hmm . . .
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With the death of their spider goddess, drow civilization was scattered through the Underdark, some even making their way to the surface to escape the terrible vengeance of they they long enslaved. . .
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2016-11-18, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Quickdraw and two weapon fighting let's you throw daggers at range when you win initiative and they're still flat footed, or when a wizard casts grease on them or whatever and also melee it up by flanking afterwards.
Also, if playing 3.5 (this doesn't work in PF) and if your DM allows it (some don't) you can do ranged touch sneak attacks with Alchemists' Fires, Acid Flasks, Holy Water, etc. (more applicable in higher levels after you can get a handy haversack or something, can afford to carry many of them and/or can convince a spellcaster buddy to craft them for you (or craft them yourself if your DM allows you to (many do) ) but they might still come in handy in early levels).
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2016-11-29, 05:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-29, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
Some light reading material
The Rogue Handbook
Drow have some interesting Spell Like Abilities that can somewhat be useful to deal with. Here is a post that shows what you can do with them.
Drow Fighter Utility Caster
If you have a build idea in mind (class levels, feats, possible equipment) you could post it here and get even more guidance.Last edited by gorfnab; 2016-11-29 at 08:34 PM.
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2016-11-29, 09:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: I'm Thinking About Playing A Rogue On My Third Game
I'm confused, are you somehow implying that small children don't inherently already have the class "rogue"?
Because saying "rogue child" is redundant if my experience with children has been any indication.
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2016-11-30, 07:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-30, 08:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-11-30, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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