LGBTAI+ 51: Lay That Hammer Down!

**Jaycemonde** · 2014-05-30, 04:47 AM (ISO 8601)

Title courtesy of SiuiS, since nobody else suggested one (that I saw).

Hello, hello, welcome, one and all, to the Fifty-First(!) iteration of our thread, the humble LGBTAI in the playground thread!

Notice: This is mostly a support thread. There is an LGBTAI+ Q&A Thread right here.

The AI is for All-Inclusive, because we have only so much space but everyone, regardless of orientation, direction, letter, acronym or chosen astrological symbol is welcome here!

We do, unfortunately, have a few rules. We are not an anarchical state! Or, we weren't until they voted we were? But shush.

1. We are primarily a support thread.
This means that the primary focus should be in helping people here feel better; about themselves, about their lives, about their problems. We are also an education thread, but when helping someone learn involves not supporting, we will default to support - Mostly. We are only mostly human, after all.

All of the other rules are basically precisions of rule #1.

2. If you want answers to triggering topics, spoiler-box or ask them privately.
Triggering topics are those which are likely to make other people feel bad, in any way whatsoever: for instance, rape, violence, bullying and many others may be triggering to some people. If someone, even just that one individual person, has a problem with a topic because it stirs demons best left in their pit, Do. Not. Bring. It. Up. Publically. Use a spoilerbox, and think carefully about whether this is the place to broach the topic at all (see rule #1: "We are primarily a support thread.")

If you have questions or need help on something that involves triggering topics, please use spoiler tags and label your spoilers for trigger warnings. When in doubt, put trigger warnings.

3. Avoid discussing politics or religion.
It doesn't matter how much these two topics intersect with our forum topic, they are verboten. Sometimes, hints are... Looked over, such as "man, in my countery being gay sucks", but detail is right out, and even that could be considered willful disregard. Be Careful. As the moderators themselves often say, if you aren't sure, Don't.

4. Do not discuss moral justification.
No one here is going to discuss whether or not it's Right" or "Okay" to be LGBTAEIOUsometimesY or anything else. It's not topical, it's not relevant. We are, and we are here to cope with that and with the stresses it causes.
And no, my joking acronym doesn't constitute considering this rule less important.

5. Do not opst sexually explicit content.
It's against forum rules, it's against decorum, and it will get us shut down pretty fast. What adults do behind closed doors is cool, and allusion is fine. Anything that could involve a diagram, though? No.

6. Avoid unfriendly debates.
Several topics of conversation have created huge arguments that made several people uncomfortable and defied our goal of being a support thread. This is especially true debates of definition. These do not always end well, and are best avoided.

This thread has a past of traumatic experiences which we would rather not repeat, and some topics which have created (in)famous rows include:
- the precise distinction between bi- and pansexual;
- what is or isn't a polyamorous relationship;
- whether transgender is more correct than transgendered.
(Other topics may be added to the list.)
Unless you need support or help about this, please refrain from bringing up these topics.

Also, if a conversation that is not about support runs long, spoiler it if possible, even if it is polite.

Glossary of Common Terms

And, for reference, here is a list of commonly used words and definitions by our community. Please understand that this list is currently undergoing construction right now. Any contributions to the list are appreciated.

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LGBT: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans*

LGBTAI: LGBT+Asexual/Allies+Intersex+All Inclusive

Lagerbeta: A fine brewski to be drunk by all - the name comes from the above abbreviation.

QUILTBAG:
Q - Queer and Questioning
U - Unidentified
I - Intersex
L - Lesbian
T - Transgender, Transexual
B - Bisexual
A - Asexual
G - Gay, Genderqueer

Where a word below is in italics, that means it has it's own entry on the list.

A note on labels: many of these labels are seemingly interchangeable, and for some people they are. However, please do not presume to correct or judge another person's use of a label. Bisexual and Pansexual are especially tricky in this regard, as are transgender and transsexual to a lesser degree.
Often the difference in why one person feels one label is appropriate and not another is deeply personal. If you wish to know more it is probably a topic to seek private advice on, from one of the people listed in the next section.

AFAB/AMAB: Assigned Female/Male at Birth

Agendered: Someone who lacks a gender.

Androgyne: Gender Identity with male and female aspects.

Androsexual: A person who is attracted to men.

Asexual: A person who does not feel any/some sexual attraction.

Binary, The: See: Gender Binary.

Bisexual: 1. attracted to two genders; 2. attracted to one's own gender and another gender; 3. attracted to various genders; 4. attracted to people regardless of gender; 5. ask the person who says they're bi what exactly they mean by that. See also Pansexual

Cis: See: Cisgender

Cisgender (CG): Somebody whose gender and sex align.

Demisexual: A person who is sexually attracted to someone(s) only after they have formed an intense emotional relationship with.

Dysphoria: The disassociation Trans* people feel with their own body.

Male-to-Female (MtF): Someone who was assigned male at birth, but is female. (AKA: trans woman)

Female: See: Woman

Female-to-Male (FtM): Someone who was assigned female at birth, but is male. (AKA: trans man)

FAAB: Female Assigned at Birth.

Feminine: Something generally associated by society with women.

FFS: Facial Feminization Surgery: Surgery to reduce chin/nose/cheekbones. Associated primarily with MAAB Trans people

FtM: See: Female to Male

Gay: A man who is attracted to men.

Gender Binary: The commonly held notion that there are only men and women on two extremes, with nothing in between.

Gender Expression (GE): How one expresses their Gender Identity to society.

Gender Identity (GI): How one feels inside society's idea of "man, woman, or other".

Genderfluid: Someone who fluctuates between different genders.

Genderqueer (GQ): Someone who is not of a binary gender; someone who is not male or female.

Gynosexual: A person who is attracted to women.

Heterosexual: A person who is attracted to members of the opposite gender.

Homosexual: A person who is attracted to members of their gender.

HRT: Hormone replacement therapy. MtF's tend to progestrogens, oestrogens and androgen blockers, while FtM's take testosterone almost exculsively.

Lesbian: A woman who is attracted to women.

MAAB: Male Assigned at Birth.

Male-to-Female (MtF): Someone who was assigned male at birth, but is female. (AKA: trans woman)

Man/men: A cis man or trans man. Male.

Masculine: Something generally associated by society with men.

Pansexual: A person who is attracted to people regardless of gender. See also Bisexual

Polyamorous: A person who is interested in a relationship with more than one person.

Presenting: Trans* shorthand for appearing as their preferred gender, regardless of any HRT, SRS or other changes.

Trans*: Transsexual and Transgender primarily, with the asterisk denoting that the trans- prefix could be followed by any number of appropriate words. It also includes other labels, and is a catch-all term for people who identify as something other than their biological sex at birth.

Transgender: Used in reference to a person whose sex(body) and gender(mind) are at odds or do not match. A transgender person can also identify as genderqueer, transsexual, or may use transgender as their only identity.

Transitioning: The process a Trans* person undergoes to move to their preferred gender. Often includes HRT, SRS, FFS.

Transsexual: In common terms the same as transgender above. In medical terms refers specifically to people who wish to transition from male to female or female to male, not accommodating any other options.

SRS: Sex Reassignment Surgery: Surgery to replace/transform a vagina into a penis, or vice versa. Mastectomies or plastic surgery may be used on breasts.

Sexual Orientation (SO): How one identifies who they are attracted to.

Significant Other(s) (SO): Person(s) you are in a relationship with.

Third-gendered: Someone who fits in a local society's third gender, usually male performing female tasks, occasionally vice versa. Also a person who feels they do not identify with any other gender identity.

Woman: A cis woman or trans woman. Female.

Allies: Hetereosexual-Cisgender people who support equality for sexual, gender, and romantic minorities.

Private Consultation.

We have a list of people whoa re willing and able to discuss topics that may not be thread-appropriate but are still topical. They can be reached by Personal Message (PM), thought they may not respond immediately, or may be on sabbatical.

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Name: Especially familiar with the topic(s) of
Absol197: Gender identity issues.
Asteron Questar: Relationships, depression.
Astrella: GSRM rights, feminism, trans stuff, Skype.
Chess435: Skype.
Eirala: Trans stuff (esp emotional issues), Skype(no voice or video, however).
Eldest: General/basics, bisexuality, polyamory, pansexuality will Skype(voice if needed, no video).
Enrico Dandolo (Caroline): Trans stuff, mental health, feminism, asexuality, hugs, make-up advice. PM first, Skype chat if asked.
HMS Sophia: Trans stuff (esp hormones).
inuyasha: Shoulder on which to cry, someone to listen.
Irish Musician: PM, Rants/Venting.
KenderWizard: General/basics, gender and feminism, bisexuality.
Kesnit: Trans stuff (FtM), legal issues.
Lea Plath: Genderfluidity.
Lentrax: General/basics, depression, bullying.
Lix Lorn: General/basics.
Lycunadari: Genderqueer and agendered.
Metditto: PM/Skype for L, T, GQ, BDSM(Off-thread or Spoiler Triggered), demisexual, feminism, therapy, depression, dissociative identities.
Musashi: General/basics, asexuality/demisexuality, depression.
Mystic Muse: Skype-y goodness.
noparlpf: General/basics, asexuality, greysexuality, biology, Skype.
Partysan: PM/Skype, polyamory, pansexuality, BDSM(Off-thread or Spoiler Triggered), Rants/Venting.
Socratov: Skype-ness.
TaiLiu: General Transgender information, transphobia.
Warkitty: Academic/technical discussions, Make-up advice.
Wormwood74: Transgender legal issues, transgender outside contacts.

Some people are also willing to talk off-board, through Skype or email or other means; this is especially useful if your question involves board-forbidden topics such as religion or politics. Also, we can't (and ethically shouldn't!) give medical advice. If you need medical advice, please see a professional!

And as a parting note, I will say that even though moderators do not read PMs, they are still part of the forum and still subject to forums rules. Non-allowed topics and discussion should NOT be conducted via PM.

Previous Incarnations

Like the Glorious and Unconquered Sun, we have risen, lived, died, and risen anew, with many faces, many voices, many hearts. In this past, much can be found, both good, and bad, should one be brave or perhaps, foolish, enough to seek it.

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Webcomics that touch on... Well, everything related to the thread.

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Venus Envy. Long dead webcomic. The creator has chosen not to continue it and move forward in life.
Rain. A story of a MtF girl in high school.
Khaos Komix.As the creator puts it(from his site): "A complete GLBTWTFBBQ comic about gender and sexuality. (Trigger warnings for EVERYTHING and nothing is safe for work.)"
Always Raining Here. "Adrian is heartsick, Carter is horny. This is a story about their misadventures as awkward teenagers as they fumble through unrequited romances."
Tripping over you.An awkward blind date leads to better options.
Questionable Content. The LGBTA characters are well done, and not stereotypes.
What's normal anyway. "What’s Normal Anyway? is a comic that discusses the trans male experience through the story of Mel, who takes the big risk of being himself and transitioning from female to male."
Princess. A webcomic.
Twokinds. Keveak: "It generally portrays GRSM matters positively and is quite a nice tale overall."
Misfile The Rose Dragon: "Ash is a young boy who, as a result of a screw-up in Heaven, gets stuck in a girl's body in a life he doesn't recognize, and has to deal with the changes and challenges of his new body while trying to get back his old life. Supernatural hijinks and car racing are involved."
I know I missed a few webcomics, and if anyone finds more, feel free to PM them to me with a brief description, and I will add them.

The Brand New LGBTA Arts & Crafts Thread!

**Philemonite** · 2014-05-30, 04:59 AM (ISO 8601)

*Signs the attendance sheet*

Yay, a new thread.

**SiuiS** · 2014-05-30, 05:04 AM (ISO 8601)

So I'm having a conversation across three or four threads that are all various incarnations of "don't be a jerk" and how and why that works, and it feels thread-relevant but I can't pinpoint exactly why or how. Not enough to link to an exact thing.

Maybe we should get our resident schrdondingendered linguist to write up a small blurb on respectful communication? I feel we as a society of Internetiness have become too used to the idea that our opinions deserve to be voiced in all places at all times, however much they sometimes can be done better.

**Jormengand** · 2014-05-30, 05:29 AM (ISO 8601)

*Floats into thread.*

Well... that's a very nice thread you've got there... would be a pity if something were to happen to it...

**Jaycemonde** · 2014-05-30, 05:33 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by SiuiS

So I'm having a conversation across three or four threads that are all various incarnations of "don't be a jerk" and how and why that works, and it feels thread-relevant but I can't pinpoint exactly why or how. Not enough to link to an exact thing.

It seems to me that the relevance comes from everybody hating the fact this thread and the regulars of this thread exist and want to be treated like people and not just told to shut up, based on the three examples I've seen.
Personally, I'd just like a rule saying "spoiler all scientific or otherwise non-supportive discussions in this thread", but I get booed down when I suggest that.

Maybe we should get our resident schrdondingendered linguist to write up a small blurb on respectful communication? I feel we as a society of Internetiness have become too used to the idea that our opinions deserve to be voiced in all places at all times, however much they sometimes can be done better.

Who would that be?

Also yes. It feels weird being one of the few people that actually tries to keep fights and arguing to a minimum.

**Asta Kask** · 2014-05-30, 05:40 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Jaycemonde

Also yes. It feels weird being one of the few people that actually tries to keep fights and arguing to a minimum.

You probably share that feeling with more people than you think.

**Jaycemonde** · 2014-05-30, 05:59 AM (ISO 8601)

I know this is trite and unimportant to most people (who admit to not being any help whatsoever and apparently only frequent the thread because they like using it as their personal curbstomp area) but can we all please get the fighting and irrelevant blaming of each other the HELL out of here, for at least one whole iteration? Can you children all handle that? Yes? No?

**Asta Kask** · 2014-05-30, 06:01 AM (ISO 8601)

I will edit my post.

**SiuiS** · 2014-05-30, 06:08 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Jaycemonde

It seems to me that the relevance comes from everybody hating the fact this thread and the regulars of this thread exist and want to be treated like people and not just told to shut up, based on the three examples I've seen.
Personally, I'd just like a rule saying "spoiler all scientific or otherwise non-supportive discussions in this thread", but I get booed down when I suggest that.

Huh. I thought that was what was actually agreed on...

Who would that be?

Saint Ridley.

Spoiler: Non-support (^_^)

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Originally Posted by Asta Kask

You probably share that feeling with more people than you think.

SiuiS, if you're behavior in the "Been challenged: baby gender release help" is your idea of respectful conversation, I'd really hate to see you when you're not being tactful. The guy used a word in a wrong way, that's no excuse for crapping all over the thread. Correct him once, politely, and then move on.

That's a funny thing to say, since I didn't say anything to the OP at all on the topic, stopped people from having an actual fight, and diverted a friend I know from exacerbating things by pointing out why something is relevant despite other people handling it with too much passion.

If you can show me where I am actually crapping on the topic in my several posts of supplying ideas to the OP, please do so. But don't call me out in a public venue, especially when facts which can be cited and dissected are on my side. One person's weariness at social justice doesn't mean another person is in the wrong for being a mediator of technical language.

**Jormengand** · 2014-05-30, 06:09 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Jaycemonde

I know this is trite and unimportant to most people (who admit to not being any help whatsoever and apparently only frequent the thread because they like using it as their personal curbstomp area)...Can you children all handle that? Yes? No?

You know, it would go a lot more smoothly if you didn't use it as a random excuse to insult people...

**Asta Kask** · 2014-05-30, 06:09 AM (ISO 8601)

This is not the place for this.

**Jaycemonde** · 2014-05-30, 06:16 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Jormengand

You know, it would go a lot more smoothly if you didn't use it as a random excuse to insult people...

Spoiler: On the subject of personal relevance.

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If you don't pick random fights with people and don't clutter up the place with bull about everybody else when it's supposed to be a SAFE place for people to talk about and find help for their problems, then what I said doesn't apply to you. Simple as that.

**Philemonite** · 2014-05-30, 06:22 AM (ISO 8601)

Don't do that, please. Take it to the PMs if it's personal.

**SiuiS** · 2014-05-30, 06:26 AM (ISO 8601)

The last thread got pushed up and was a spambot response. I was so very confused for a moment, there.

I wonder, how much of a support thread is waiting to support people, versus having friendly banter to make it feel like a comfortable space? I recall back when so many people didn't want to say anything because they felt their problems weren't as big. But, I also recall when people didn't want to interrupt the friendliness and hugs and weirdly asterisk-filled Roleplay.

**Jaycemonde** · 2014-05-30, 06:40 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by SiuiS

The last thread got pushed up and was a spambot response. I was so very confused for a moment, there.

Weird. That type of response actually looked mildly useful and relevant. I marked it as [potential] spambot.

I wonder, how much of a support thread is waiting to support people, versus having friendly banter to make it feel like a comfortable space? I recall back when so many people didn't want to say anything because they felt their problems weren't as big. But, I also recall when people didn't want to interrupt the friendliness and hugs and weirdly asterisk-filled Roleplay.

I can recall both, with what could be called relatively fondness. Nobody seems to like each other anymore, which sucks.
And asterisk roleplaying isn't weird, it's just the default style for things like text messaging; pretty much useless on forums and any chat client with /me commands.

**Serpentine** · 2014-05-30, 06:45 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Jaycemonde

I can recall both, with what could be called relatively fondness. Nobody seems to like each other anymore, which sucks.

People were saying that like 2 years ago, and probably 2 years before that. It cycles.

**Jaycemonde** · 2014-05-30, 06:47 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Serpentine

People were saying that like 2 years ago, and probably 2 years before that. It cycles.

That's true. I had almost said "At this point I'm just waiting for the next batch of new faces", but that sounded too callous.

**Marnath** · 2014-05-30, 06:57 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by SiuiS

The last thread got pushed up and was a spambot response. I was so very confused for a moment, there.

I wonder, how much of a support thread is waiting to support people, versus having friendly banter to make it feel like a comfortable space? I recall back when so many people didn't want to say anything because they felt their problems weren't as big. But, I also recall when people didn't want to interrupt the friendliness and hugs and weirdly asterisk-filled Roleplay.

People like me probably. I've been on these forums for a while now(four years isn't all that long, right?

) but I only started poking my head in here a few days ago. I guess on a fundamental level I don't really think of myself as being part of the LGBT crowd since the asexuality spectrum is pretty much invisible. I don't face discrimination because no one even knows it's a thing, they just think "I've never been interested in any of that relationship stuff" is my choosing celibacy. It's also easy for me to pass since I feel just enough appreciation for pretty girls to get caught staring.

Wow, that is legitimately the first time I've thought of myself as passing for heterosexual. I've identified as grey-ace for a year or two since I knew what it was but I guess I still primarily thought of myself as just a straight guy with almost no sex drive. Does that match up with other people's experiences? I feel like I'm "doing it wrong" somehow, even though that's absurd.

**Miriel** · 2014-05-30, 07:22 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Marnath

People like me probably. I've been on these forums for a while now(four years isn't all that long, right?

) but I only started poking my head in here a few days ago. I guess on a fundamental level I don't really think of myself as being part of the LGBT crowd since the asexuality spectrum is pretty much invisible. I don't face discrimination because no one even knows it's a thing, they just think "I've never been interested in any of that relationship stuff" is my choosing celibacy. It's also easy for me to pass since I feel just enough appreciation for pretty girls to get caught staring.

Wow, that is legitimately the first time I've thought of myself as passing for heterosexual. I've identified as grey-ace for a year or two since I knew what it was but I guess I still primarily thought of myself as just a straight guy with almost no sex drive. Does that match up with other people's experiences? I feel like I'm "doing it wrong" somehow, even though that's absurd.

We have an A in the title thread ~~beard~~ because asexual people are welcome. So you're welcome.

That makes sense.

Myself, it's the opposite. Most sane people seem to get the idea that I'm asexual, because it's sort of obvious, but not that I'm homoromantic. So I'm forever single, it seems...

**Serpentine** · 2014-05-30, 07:26 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Enrico Dandolo

We have an A in the title thread beard asexual people are welcome.

I just wanted to preserve this typo in case you go back and edit it

**Asta Kask** · 2014-05-30, 07:28 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Enrico Dandolo

Myself, it's the opposite. Most sane people seem to get the idea that I'm asexual, because it's sort of obvious, but not that I'm homoromantic. So I'm forever single, it seems...

Until you break into someone's house, cover their floor with rose petals and put on "Nothing Else Matters".

**Miriel** · 2014-05-30, 07:34 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Asta Kask

Until you break into someone's house, cover their floor with rose petals and put on "Nothing Else Matters".

Hum... The big solo is a bit of a mood breaker. Is there something even more cheesy?

Originally Posted by Serpentine

I just wanted to preserve this typo in case you go back and edit it

... I have the weirdest typos, haha ^^

**Asta Kask** · 2014-05-30, 08:20 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Enrico Dandolo

Hum... The big solo is a bit of a mood breaker. Is there something even more cheesy?

Forever?

**Eldest** · 2014-05-30, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)

Jayce, there's no rule about threads going over the 50 count (look at random banter, though I think we're number two on how many we've gone through), the proposed joke was about threads not being able to hit 51 pages without causing problems.

**SiuiS** · 2014-05-30, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)

As much as I get the joke, can we not talk about creepy stalker behavior and the finer points of guiltig people into romance via cliche? It's kinda skeevy

**Asta Kask** · 2014-05-30, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)

Ok, I'll stop.

**Grytorm** · 2014-05-30, 08:55 AM (ISO 8601)

Annoying braibn and its sticky ideas. I've started to think about makeup and I want to wear a little when I am alone to see how it feels. I do have access to some of my sisters old makeup but I don't really know how to make sense of it. What would be a starting point if I got some makeup of my own?

**noparlpf** · 2014-05-30, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Marnath

People like me probably. I've been on these forums for a while now(four years isn't all that long, right?

) but I only started poking my head in here a few days ago. I guess on a fundamental level I don't really think of myself as being part of the LGBT crowd since the asexuality spectrum is pretty much invisible. I don't face discrimination because no one even knows it's a thing, they just think "I've never been interested in any of that relationship stuff" is my choosing celibacy. It's also easy for me to pass since I feel just enough appreciation for pretty girls to get caught staring.

Wow, that is legitimately the first time I've thought of myself as passing for heterosexual. I've identified as grey-ace for a year or two since I knew what it was but I guess I still primarily thought of myself as just a straight guy with almost no sex drive. Does that match up with other people's experiences? I feel like I'm "doing it wrong" somehow, even though that's absurd.

We used to have a few asexual regulars.
And nah, for me when I learned what asexuality was it just clicked. But different people get used to words differently, so you're fine.

**Arachu** · 2014-05-30, 09:29 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Grytorm

Annoying braibn and its sticky ideas. I've started to think about makeup and I want to wear a little when I am alone to see how it feels. I do have access to some of my sisters old makeup but I don't really know how to make sense of it. What would be a starting point if I got some makeup of my own?

I've always been told to start with foundation - basically that you should get a shade that's as close to your skin color as possible and then when you've been doing that for a bit start looking into other things. I haven't quite gotten into the habit yet, though, so I don't know much aside from that.

~Bianca

**Miriel** · 2014-05-30, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Grytorm

Annoying braibn and its sticky ideas. I've started to think about makeup and I want to wear a little when I am alone to see how it feels. I do have access to some of my sisters old makeup but I don't really know how to make sense of it. What would be a starting point if I got some makeup of my own?

It really depends what you want to achieve. Hide masculine features? Add a feminine touch? Just look better/different?

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