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2011-10-31, 01:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ponythread Learns to Draw! Together!
A long time ago, Midnight noted that there is absolutely no fanart of her of a certain *ahem* genre that is particularly popular with the pony fandom. Since Midnight was practically begging to have more fanart of her drawn (If you can even call this "art"), I decided to do what I could to make this for her. Unfortunately, I had all but given up completely about halfway through.
You guys have inspired me to finally finish what I started a while back! So here it is.
Presenting, Midnight completely naked. Aside from the pair of socks she's putting on.
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No, I did not have the tail curve that way just so that I didn't have to deal with Midnight's Tarot card cutie mark! I have no idea why you'd think that. [/Liarjack]
I know it's embarrassingly terrible, but darn it, Inkwell and Kairaven set the bar for Midnight artwork too darn high!
Speaking of Kairaven, the reference I used was Kairaven's adult Midnight:
Don't expect me to post anything else anytime soon; the reason I don't do artwork at all is that every single time I look at anything that I am responsible for creating, I want to set it, and any evidence that it ever existed, on fire! (This is not a hyperbole)"Why is it that we receive a penny for our thoughts, but have to put in our 2 cents?"
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2011-10-31, 01:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ponythread Learns to Draw! Together!
Fantastic Legs don't quite seem thick enough, though, particularly at the back. Ponies are squishy, like marshmallows.
Don't expect me to post anything else anytime soon; the reason I don't do artwork at all is that every single time I look at anything that I am responsible for creating, I want to set it, and any evidence that it ever existed, on fire! (This is not a hyperbole)
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2011-10-31, 01:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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My latest project is applebuckin' AJ!
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Based on this:
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2011-10-31, 01:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-10-31, 02:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-10-31, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's a good one! I think her legs look a little short, and her right eye is a little off, but otherwise. =D
Applejack! Who Can't like a good, hardworking pony? =P
Very nice, very nice!
Here's some more works of mine...:
Jack, the Nightmare:
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This is a character from a novel I HOPE to write someday, a mechanical creature known as Nightmare, though he calls himself Jack. I can never get his feet to look right. I want them to look more like a bird's feet. Might be useful if I look up some anatomy pictures, perhaps... 0-0*
Xia (WIP):
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This is Xia, a pony based on a roleplaying character of mine known as , suprise suprise, Xia. =)
Xia (Almost complete):
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This is a more finished version. Only thing missing? A cutie mark. I'm trying to decide what it should be. I'm torn between a question mark or a yin/yang circle (If I had to say what his special talent would be, it would be philosophy).
oh, the group drawing project going on? I'll help if I can. =)Last edited by Noctemwolf; 2011-10-31 at 02:23 AM.
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2011-10-31, 02:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, sorry about not having better quality of a picture. The only camera I have is my Ipod one, and that's less than optimal.
The character is an older version of an MLP OC of mine named Smoothie. I'm not going to go into her whole background, I'm just going to give a few details.
1. At this point in time, she's a teacher. She teaches foals in the use of magic.
2. Both her element and her talent are magic. She's on the same tier as Twilight for various reasons.
3. She got control over her considerable power due to a lot of help from Lix Lorn, who also added a considerable number of spells to Smoothie's spellbook.
4. She has no cutie mark in the picture because I can't get it drawn correctly (You wouldn't think a wizard hat would be that hard to draw, would you?) and it wouldn't be big enough to show up in the picture anyway.
So, given the info that Lix trained her, you get one guess what she's teaching the foals to do with their magic.
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If your answer was "Genderbending" you are very very wrong.
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2011-10-31, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Good picture! The hair seems like a mix between Twilight and Pinkie... when Pinkie's hair is down, of course. =)
and.. Lix? As in, the Lix Lorn?
Name's familiar, but I can't say I actually know who it is. I'm fairly certain he/she is an important figure here in the playground, yes?Last edited by Noctemwolf; 2011-10-31 at 02:55 AM.
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2011-10-31, 02:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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General: On Inks
From what I understand, you can buy inking pens of various sizes; proper art inking pens are $4-5 and come in sizes from .2 to .8 that I've seen. It's just a matter of tracing your sketches with the inking pen and then erasing the pencil.
This is a cool design, I'd love to see an inked and cleaned up version!
Xia (WIP):
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This is Xia, a pony based on a roleplaying character of mine known as , suprise suprise, Xia. =)
Xia (Almost complete):
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This is a more finished version. Only thing missing? A cutie mark. I'm trying to decide what it should be. I'm torn between a question mark or a yin/yang circle (If I had to say what his special talent would be, it would be philosophy).
oh, the group drawing project going on? I'll help if I can. =)
The mistake in this one is the width of the neck. It should be almost a straight line from the bottom of the ear to the shoulder. I can see how you'd make the mistake because in a lot of pictures that part of the neck is covered by the mane. Proportions are, otherwise, quite good!
Also hats are super hard to draw properly.
See what you can do about getting non-lined paper, too - quality paper makes drawings look significantly better.
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2011-10-31, 04:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Mates, I've never been prouder to know any of you. And Vent; if you've spent the last decade setting things that are better than my best on fire, I think I will be very cross with you
Proporting the Pone
and other such details
The pony is sometimes a difficult beast to make proportional. They seem so... Fluid, so well put together! And worse, once you hear the secret to pony proportion power, you'll scoff. I guarantee it. Let's try it out;
The pony is measured by the size of it's own head.
See? Be honest, I bet you at least started to snort derisively. Because honestly, every "how to draw" book and it's mother says that, and well, you already knew it and you still aren't A master artist, so it's gotta be crock!
Except ponies are special.
One, because they're my little ponies.
Two, because they are a magical cartoon beast with barest of nods to actual anatomy sometimes.
The pony is measured by it's head. So if the pony's head is a circle that is 2 inches, then;
The pony is 5 inches tall (2.5 heads)
The body is about 1 Inch long
The eye is one inch tall
The ear is one inch tall
The horn is about one inch tall
The hoof if approximately one Inch in diameter
The legs are two inches long
That last one is important; at any point in time, a proportional pony will have distance between it's belly and the ground, exactly equal to the height of it's head.
Lemme show you.
A pony; one of my best, actually. I love the picture it came from, and it's cool that Thanqol actually took a shot at coloring my poopy doodles.
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Ok, now; same pony, with some amateur paint skills applied.
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There we are! Proof without having to murder a good picture or kludge through a new one!
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And I'll tell you ponies what. I'm leaving the thread for a while (says he who's posted twice since then, and once here, and dips into irc every now and again) but the extra time is going to be split between working on a character, exercise...
And diving into that Guardalopolis comic that Ponythread spawned 15 or more iterations ago.
So there you are. You guys are going to see me weeble and wobble through a comic. I hope you're happy.
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Hats are a a pain in the Mark. And quality paper is awesome! But don't be afraid to do roughs with bad materials. You lose masterpieces, but you gain skill always.
And as a repeat from last time; drawing is 90% perception. I you see something wrong, good! Nothing sucks more than no having a way to improve. If something goes awry, focus on that! Bring it up here, go to a book store and browse. If you see a neat art style, try to duplicate what's so neat about it. So long as you come away able to see something you couldn't before, you come away understanding more.
That paragraph got away from me, so post and bed.
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2011-10-31, 04:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wow, SiuiS knows ponies. A very interesting read, thanks.
Thanks to Skeppio for my avatar.
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2011-10-31, 04:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ponythread Learns to Draw! Together!
Rather than them being too "buff", I think their heads might be too small ... maybe increasing the size of the heads will make them look more cartoonish. Here they appear a bit closer to realistic proportions.
That said, nice work. You've done well with getting six very different but recognisable ponies done ... I'd have trouble with one!
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2011-10-31, 05:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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I decided to see if I can determine how to improve my designs by sticking a show-type model side-by-side with a more serious-type of the same basic design.
Just a quick sketch so far on both. I'd like any corrections you can provide for the show-type on the left side. I need to understand if I have the understanding right for drawing them, so that I know exactly what I am changing to make the serious variant.
For the right-side design, I think I found the reason for my troubles with facial expressions not looking right. Sans hair and eyes, the basic body and head shape of the right-side design looks a lot like a cat. So I tend to draw it like a cat. I'm gonna have to do something about that.Bearer of the Psionic Flame
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2011-10-31, 05:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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The show type picture looks broadly solid; everything's in the right place.
Ever looked at a real horse?
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Look at the legs. Look how weirdly thin they are. You can learn a lot about pony design and how their hooves bend and how they're jointed by noticing how they're, essentially, stylised horses.
You're going for a sort of taller, stockier, mature-er pony look? Then it might be worth increasing the length of the muzzle to balance it out. Take a look at cartoonlion's ponies; I love the style, and it's great for a slightly more mature pony look.
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2011-10-31, 05:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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I can't say I'm going for "a more mature" style, exactly - in fact, I'm not entirely sure what I am going for. I guess I want a healthy mix of the cartoon style and something more realistic, while retaining the same characters. Kinda like you can show an anime character in different styles and proportions, and still understand that it's the exact same character. It's cartoon ponies through a real-world lens, as it were.
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2011-10-31, 06:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-10-31, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Clean up on sketch aisle five!
Added covering feathers on the wings, changed the jawline and nose a little, tinkered with shading, cleaned up lines overall.
That's more or less how it works, I guess. Keep the same character, keep the same height and features, just reimagine him/her in a different universe, so to speak. No idea if it's useful for anyone else. I'm just a game master with a penchant for weird AUs.Bearer of the Psionic Flame
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2011-10-31, 06:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Your style is actually reminiscent of a few artists, who drew the ponies in a more realistic style. Let me see if I can find an example or not.
Ah, here we go.
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Said artist tend to do shipping pictures though, but you get the idea.
You can find more here.
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2011-10-31, 06:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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I recognized the style, though I didn't understand why until I looked at where the link's pointing. That's the exact same artist Thanqol linked me to not five posts ago.
Anyway, speaking of weird AUs:
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This sketch was made before I began posting in this thread, so don't critique it too harshly. It's not even finished as a sketch, I just had this idea pop into my head and drew it. Yes, that's Fluttershy, but can you guess which universe it is?Last edited by Sean Mirrsen; 2011-10-31 at 06:38 AM.
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2011-10-31, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think the real lesson here is that we all have huge crushes on cartoonlion and are subtly trying to mould you into our pet copy of her.
I do think the wings, especially, in your second style are quite cool.
Anyway, speaking of weird AUs:
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This sketch was made before I began posting in this thread, so don't critique it too harshly. It's not even finished as a sketch, I just had this idea pop into my head and drew it. Yes, that's Fluttershy, but can you guess which universe it is?
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2011-10-31, 08:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh goodness! Those are the things I feel very self-conscious about...but in this thread that's no excuse! I'm thinking that once I have my initial set of the mane 6 done, I'm going to go back and ink one or two of my favorites.
For shading, I'm thinking of doing a side project that's a rip off of Kindablue's idea, but with scientists. I think a black and white model picture might help me figure out how tone works...also then I could perhaps talk more intelligently with the folks concentrating on more realistic subject matter.
Coloring in a serious way may have to wait until I get a tablet or some more reliable way to make digital art, but I've promised myself that if I fill a sketchbook I'll buy one as a present to myself.
Nice work Soft! I think you have the basic strokes that go into ponies down pat! I would just second what some other posters have said about double checking proportions. The thing that's helped me some is to really try to see the lines that go into a pony, rather than the whole pony at once. If you can figure out how all the lines and curves go relative to one another, where they begin and end, you'll really start to settle down into a consistent pony style.
Also, I like the mane style! Is it by any chance influenced by Hairspray's mane from Green Isn't Your Color?
Can't agree enough that some basic, relatively inexpensive art supplies help a lot! Just a cheap sketchbook and pencils will do wonders for your versatility.
There is so much truth to your post SiuiS, I don't know what to do! Especially the bit about the head being the measure of a pony; when I draw them, I usually end up using it as an anchor for the rest of the drawing.
Also, we'll miss you while you're gone, but I for one hope you post the WIP comic here, at least in snatches!
The only additional thing I'll suggest is that when show pegasi are just standing with their wings unfolded, they have a bit more of a fan shape. The top feather basically goes straight up, and then the next two define an arc down to the body, with the last little one being tucked on to define the curve of the bottom of the wing.
Other than that, everything looks solid! I'm really interested to see your work as it comes along!
Is it the Firefly universe, by any chance?
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2011-10-31, 08:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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It looks to me like the main odditys from his face are perspective issues. He's looking in a not very common way (body upright, head tilted away and down) so it's a very hard pose to start with. While his chin is drawn right, the rest of his face is made to look more level, as if he's head's being held vertical like a traditional portrait.
For instance in the photo he's got his eyes open, but downcast to look at his cigarette - in your's due to the various facial cues he looks like he's closed his eyes. Things to note are the way the eyebrows curve down in the photo, and the position of his chin relative to the tip of his nose, the centre of his hairline and the right edge of his forehead.
His chin is in line with the bridge of his nose, while the tip of his nose is in line with the right visible edge of his forehead.
The general shape of the back of the head should be much rounder too. I've blathered on a bit in Thanquol's thread in regards to drawing people too.
That said, his shirt is done very well, and the only thing there is that his tie is perhaps a bit too thick. Overall the elements are done fine, and the linework is generally smooth, just not quite in the right spots.
B means Black, and H means Hard - so a 6B is very black and will leave a dark mark easily, while a 6H is very hard and probably won't ever go as dark as the 6B, even with tons of shading.
This pic illustrates the different grades and how they shade from a light touch to dark:
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So you can see that an HB at its darkest is about as dark as a lightly applied 9B. The darker pencils are very soft so wear down quickly and do smudge more easily. Harder pencils stay sharp longer, but it's also easier to make marks in the paper if you press too hard.
One tip I got here was to wear white cotton gloves with a few fingers cut out to reduce smudging.
That said, having a wide assortment of (good) pencils really does make things easier. Derwent make a set of 12 shades that's reasonably priced. A gum eraser is also a good piece of kit to start using early on too as it helps tremendously with cleaning up small mistakes.
For instance in this pic of mine:
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I used a 6 or 8B for the darker areas, but the shading on the faces was mostly done with an HB or 2B. I did do some fine spots with a 4B. Just using a HB wouldn't give as much depth. I did the initial skeletal outlines and basic body shapes with a 4H, so it was suitably faint and easy to erase.Princess in the streets.
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2011-10-31, 09:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ponythread Learns to Draw! Together!
Right, so I'm an insanely horrible artist. However in interests of seeing this thing succeed, if anyone has the full transcript and is willing to send it to me, I'll go through all of our general insanity and try and distill it to it's art-able parts.
Heck, I'll even put out a rough (Very Very Very Rough) Sketch for someother ponies to make more presentable.
I've you've got those logs, please PM me or something! Many thanks.Protect Humanity
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2011-10-31, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-10-31, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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I've always had some problem with action poses (and poses in general), because I seem to have a broken mental renderer when it comes to these things. One or two limbs always end up doing something wrong. Like here:
Spoiler*sketch, sketch, sketch*
*stare*
*frown*
*sigh*
*sketch sketch sketch*
I'm pretty sure one of the forelegs is positioned wrong. I better pull up a reference and compare.Bearer of the Psionic Flame
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2011-10-31, 10:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Alright. This is just my first attempt. I'm sure I'll get better as I move on.
Also, I like the mane style! Is it by any chance influenced by Hairspray's mane from Green Isn't Your Color?
I don't think it was very clear, but there are supposed to be strips of cloth on her tail. No particular reason, I just thought it looked kinda cool.
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2011-10-31, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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I agree with Esper here! Vent, you have absolutely no reason not to post more work here, your Midnight picture was really good, and I personally want to see more of your work.
My main thoughts are:
1.) Those wings are AWESOME! They really set the tone of the whole pose, and it's great
2.) One issue with the forelegs might be that they look just a bit long in comparison to the rear ones. Also, the accentuated "knuckle" on the hoof closest to us might look better if it was downplayed just a bit.
3.) The head seems just a tiny bit small in comparison to the body
Awesome pose though! I am extremely excited to see what you start pulling together for the large project.
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2011-10-31, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks for the feedback. I'll take care to plan these out more before I start from now on.
Thanks, I'll remember that.
Yeah, I had to redo some things completely because I kept smudging them with my sweaty ape hands. I was definitely planning on wearing a pair of gloves from now on.
Thanks for the recommendation.Last edited by Kindablue; 2011-10-31 at 01:45 PM.
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2011-10-31, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Right, so I promised some of my early wing sketches. Well here you go, it's not much it but shows progression... somewhat. The main thing to note is that when the wing is spread out, the feather tips make a curve.
Also there were a couple of my really early attempts at ponies on the reverse side of the page, and I couldn't be bothered to edit them out ^^:
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Hmm, does it really look that odd with the black lines? I guess I'll try to experiment with the lines as Deadly suggested.
RE: Clothing. Folds of cloth are my one true foe when it comes to drawing. Hands (which many people seem to have trouble with) are fairly easy for me, but getting realistic folds is something that baffles me. Perhaps I'll try doing some test sketches later.
Thank you for the suggestions! And yes, I'm fairly happy with the eyes.
Alright, I see what you mean. I'll give it a shot.
Speaking of lines and colours and stuff, here are two of my earlier pieces for a little Flash animation project I work on in my spare time.
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I've very happy with how Braeburn turned out, but something about Spitfire's foreleg bugs me and yet I'm not sure what.
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Did some more sketches tonight. This time: ponies from different angles.
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Anyway, tried to put SiuiS' tips on using pony head sizes for proportions (I admit I knew about it anyway, but this is the first time I've actually paid attention to it).Last edited by Beacon of Chaos; 2011-10-31 at 06:54 PM.
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2011-10-31, 06:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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