The Index of the Giant's Comments V―On a Saner Forum, We Wouldn't Need this Index

[Jasdoif]

OK, so the new section would look like....

Vampirism
HPoH ( ) Didn't Exist Before Durkon Was Vampirized Though he arrived "with certain knowledge, like language and whatever Hel told it to do as she was shoving it in there."	#1112	02/13/2018
The Nature of Vampirism "...a negative energy consciousness created in the shape of your own worst impulses, stuffed into your dead body to animate it."	#1112	02/13/2018
Durkon Can't Show HPoH ( ) Fake Memories	#1009	10/19/2015
Malack Chose to Worship Nergal And "shaman" is a descriptive term, not a non-cleric class.	#949	04/19/2014
There is Only One Way that Vampirism Works And nothing that happens with vampires can be assumed to work for other undead. Also, knowledge of how vampirization works is rare, even among clerics.	#949	04/18/2014
Vampires Have Free Will	#949	04/18/2014

Am I missing anything?

[Jasdoif]

Well then.

The Index has been reorganized.

[unbeliever536]

(I hate to do this again right after a reorg, but...)

The "Calendars, Dates, and Maps" section has four quotes. Two of these are concerned with character ages and have nothing to do with anything else, one is the general timeline comment, and the last is a brief comment on the Western Continent map. Was it larger in the past or something? In any case, it's not particularly coherent and doesn't really follow the title section. I think it should at least be renamed ("Dates, Ages, and Maps"? "Time and Geography"?), but more probably dissolved and the quotes put into a Setting (or similar) supercategory alongside other appropriate groups of quotes, like the Culture, Religion, and Afterlife quotes. I can put together a more detailed proposal if other people think a larger reorganization is a good idea.

Edit -

Hanging on to this. A possibly appropriate addition to a hypothetical "OOTSworld politics" section.

[Jasdoif]

I can put together a more detailed proposal if other people think a larger reorganization is a good idea.

I suspect you'd have more responses putting together a more detailed proposal, for people to agree/disagree in parts as well as overall.

[Algeh]

Does this twitter exchange: https://twitter.com/RichBurlew/statu...09286769975303 tell us anything we should add? I guess I find it interesting that Rich's process is to keep plot outlines in text files but that he doesn't feel the need to keep documentation on a lot of the rest of the typical "series bible" stuff due to the D&D connection, but I'm not sure if it's the kind of thing that anyone else would find relevant.

[Peelee]

Does this twitter exchange: https://twitter.com/RichBurlew/statu...09286769975303 tell us anything we should add? I guess I find it interesting that Rich's process is to keep plot outlines in text files but that he doesn't feel the need to keep documentation on a lot of the rest of the typical "series bible" stuff due to the D&D connection, but I'm not sure if it's the kind of thing that anyone else would find relevant.

It has new information that is kinda cool to know. For anyone unable or unwilling to click the link:

Kind of a random question, but do you keep an OotS bible? I've heard of some writers - especially epic fantasy writers - have one with rough plot points, character profiles, etc. And if so, how do you have it compiled? Digital? Binder(s)? Scraps of napkins?

Plot outlines, yes, in text files. Everything else, no. But to be fair, I've outsourced a lot of what characters can and can't do to D&D. I don't need to write down details of the magic system to remember it, for example. I just look it up. Except when I don't.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

I think it's fair to include, as it both details what's kept and isn't kept, and also in what format. Kind of niche, I suppose, but I'm sure it fits in somewhere.

[137beth]

Yep, it offers something new about the creative process. Definitely worth keeping.

[martianmister]

So important to not include.

[Gwynfrid]

I can't see anything new here. This has been said before, much more elaborately: Everything is plotted in advance and D&D rules are used, except when they don't fit into the story.

So I see no value in adding this new quote. It's very light, and redundant too.

[D.One]

I can't see anything new here. This has been said before, much more elaborately: Everything is plotted in advance and D&D rules are used, except when they don't fit into the story.

So I see no value in adding this new quote. It's very light, and redundant too.

Agreed. It's interesting the way he puts it, but no new information was really said.

[Jasdoif]

I can't see anything new here. This has been said before, much more elaborately: Everything is plotted in advance and D&D rules are used, except when they don't fit into the story.

We also know the Giant uses a text file for scripts.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

I can't see anything new here. This has been said before, much more elaborately: Everything is plotted in advance and D&D rules are used, except when they don't fit into the story.

So I see no value in adding this new quote. It's very light, and redundant too.

Somehow I didn’t realize that we had that first quote around. Still the newer quote does clarify that there aren’t, for example, character profiles that have been written down.

[Gwynfrid]

Somehow I didn’t realize that we had that first quote around. Still the newer quote does clarify that there aren’t, for example, character profiles that have been written down.

Well, telling us something is not written down is... not much information really. Besides, I would contend that it's mostly covered with the statement about D&D rules being less than 100% adhered to.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

Well, telling us something is not written down is... not much information really. Besides, I would contend that it's mostly covered with the statement about D&D rules being less than 100% adhered to.

Sure, it’s not much, but it is still something new. And I don’t see a character profile as having much to do with D&D rules. Maybe if it was just character statistics and abilities that the question asked, but the phrasing of a ‘bible’ seems to imply a lot more than that to me.

[D.One]

Is the information that The Giant doesn't make convention appearances anymore relevant here? It seems important to me because, had I read it anywhere, I wouldn't have started that thread, but I don't know if it fits here.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

Is the information that The Giant doesn't make convention appearances anymore relevant here? It seems important to me because, had I read it anywhere, I wouldn't have started that thread, but I don't know if it fits here.

I think it may be a little too separated from the actual comic itself, although I’m open to persuasion otherwise.

[Keltest]

I think it may be a little too separated from the actual comic itself, although I’m open to persuasion otherwise.

Didn't the Giant ask us at one point to not record details of his personal life? Assuming I'm remembering correctly, id say this qualifies.

[Jasdoif]

I think it may be a little too separated from the actual comic itself, although I’m open to persuasion otherwise.

I'm fairly sure it's entirely separated from the comic itself, and thus doesn't qualify for inclusion under Rule B.

Rule B: The Index is for collecting only quotes that have to do with the Order of the Stick comic or other fiction works by Rich Burlew.

1) | This excludes non-comic-related opinions, statements, etc. from Rich. So if he says "I like Italian food" or something like that, it is not to be included.

2) | This may include information related to the comic, like Rich's views on Dungeons and Dragons, book publishing, art design, etc. . . so long as these quotes are still within the sphere of comic-related discussion. Uncertainty should be decided by thread poster consensus.

3) | This excludes GiTP forum rules, updates, or general information. That is for the admins and mods to publicize and spread word about, not this index.

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Didn't the Giant ask us at one point to not record details of his personal life? Assuming I'm remembering correctly, id say this qualifies.

It was posted in the OOTS forum, so the Giant would be fine if we chose to include it.

[Reboot]

I'm fairly sure it's entirely separated from the comic itself, and thus doesn't qualify for inclusion under Rule B.

Con appearances were to promote his works. His primary work is OotS.

[Jasdoif]

Con appearances were to promote his works. His primary work is OotS.

If the quote said something about that one way or the other, that might be a point. Absent that, "The Giant's primary work is OotS, so everything the Giant does or doesn't do impacts OotS, so everything the Giant does or doesn't do is relevant" doesn't fly particularly well.

[Emanick]

I'm fine with listing it - it's relevant to OOTS and to The Giant's professional life, as any venture to a convention would be part of the latter and would be for the purpose of promoting the former, and it's something that has come up repeatedly - but I don't feel strongly enough about it to argue persistently in its favor.

[Kish]

Rich just tweeted:

1/2

here.

I'm not actually proposing it for inclusion, second because it requires some interpretation, and first because I'm sure the official announcement of the new prequel book will follow pretty soon, but I wanted to make sure everyone who's looking at this thread sees it.

[Peelee]

I vote Kish for Most Loved Forumer 2018.

[Lissou]

Came here to share the same thing. So exciting. I'm guessing it's the Sapphire Guard prequel, but we'll see.

[Dr.Gunsforhands]

Yeah. I don't really have anything to add other than, "Hype!"

[Reboot]

Came here to share the same thing. So exciting. I'm guessing it's the Sapphire Guard prequel, but we'll see.

Yeah. I mean, it's blue and we know "How The Paladin Got His Scar" (And Other Stories) is due in print.

The only real question is whether it's "Volume One out of Two" or some sort of "Volume Number One-Half" gag. (Probably the former, with 2/2 containing the other Kickstarter stories yet to be done.)

[Sniffnoy]

Yeah. I mean, it's blue and we know "How The Paladin Got His Scar" (And Other Stories) is due in print.

The only real question is whether it's "Volume One out of Two" or some sort of "Volume Number One-Half" gag. (Probably the former, with 2/2 containing the other Kickstarter stories yet to be done.)

Given the numbering thus far, with the existing prequels being volumes 0 and -1, I'd say it's pretty clearly the latter.

[hroþila]

Yeah. I mean, it's blue and we know "How The Paladin Got His Scar" (And Other Stories) is due in print.

Didn't stop me from going all "HELL YEAH VECTOR LEGION PREQUEL" for a solid 5 minutes before I stopped to think about it.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

I agree with Kish; we’ll probably get an announcement about it before we decide to include anyway. (Also, thanks for sharing that!)

Didn't stop me from going all "HELL YEAH VECTOR LEGION PREQUEL" for a solid 5 minutes before I stopped to think about it.

One day, one day...