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    BlackDragon

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    Greetings !!

    I'm making this Thread to offer my Suggestions for Character Creation to anyone interested.
    All other Members are most welcome to drop in and post as well.

    There are lots of Books with all kinds of Options.
    (I'll keep my Homebrew Ideas to being in Ancient Realms)

    I usually stick to Player's handbook and Xanathar's Guide to Everything.

    I can do Races from Volo's Guide to Monsters and Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes

    I can look up Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide and Elemental Evil Player's Companion info.

    I'm not very knowledgeable about Planes Walk, Ravnica or Eberron
    (I have to look them up each time - but I'm getting a little better with Warforged)

    I'm here at least three times a week, and I'll respond as quickly as I can.
    (Even if limited to using phone.)

    Got an Idea for a Character, but not sure how to fit it into the 5e Game?

    I'm not any Expert, but - most of the time, I can usually figure out how to fit a Concept for a Character in.

    But I really can't do One Punch Man: Or Superman.

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    I went vHuman with Really Good Stats: Inquisitive Rogue 4 /Vengeance Paladin 5 /Shadow Monk 11 with (1) Keen Mind, (Monk 4) Stalker, (Monk 8) Sentinel, (Rogue 4) Observant: and (Pal 4) Mobility

    The Paladin was mostly for Bat's desire to stop Criminals from 'doing harm' and Vengeance Tenants are a good fit; and the Smite doesn't have a visual effect.

    I picture (20th level) Bats dropping down on the Crooks, and when he hits - the first (toughest) Crook takes punch (by RAW, I suppose that Bat's Gloves would need to count as a weapon to get:) Sneak Attack plus Smite damage on the first hit, the next Crook takes regular damage on the next hit, and if there's another Crook: Bats spends a Ki Point for another hit to try and knock them all out [and/or maybe knock some of them prone] - POW ! BIFF ! WACK ! Bats might (if foes are prone) use any left over movement to get into the shadows; Then the next round, Bats becomes Invisible! and moves (twice if he needs to) to get into position to hit again.

    Joker gets Branding Smite (+2d6), Flurry with Gloved punch (no reactions) with +2d6 SA, and Smite (+3d8 first hit, +2d8 for last two hits, with 2 first level slots left) all at once!

    If Robin is there, he moves in, uses the Help Action to give Bats Advantage, and Bonus Action disengages.


    And I can only get close to Nightcrawler.
    I can't help but picture Cyclops as a (Fiend?) Warlock that only really has Eldritch Blast (From his eyes, for reasons), maybe Hex, and a few Invocations.
    Unless stated otherwise, I'm using Point Buy with these options:
    Power 15, 15, 15, 08, 08, 08
    Good 15, 15, 11, 10, 10, 10
    Balanced 13, 13, 13, 12, 12, 12

    DnD Beyond seems able to have different results, somehow.

    If your going for either High Level or Multiclassing, please be patient while I look up that information.

    Jump on in !
    I'm hoping to have lots of Fun, here!
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    BarbarianGuy

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    I'll bite, out of curiosity as I like comparing how other people do thematic builds.

    Any (full) Elf + Double Scimitar + Revenant Blade (WGtE Feat)

    Theme--An Entertainer/Gladiator, as my culture views exhibition of martial skill, especially with this weapon as a pinnacle of skill. This art was started by my ancestors, and the best way to honor them is by mastering the same skills they taught us.

    Not in Eberron, homebrew setting. Stats we are rolling, but use the following array for now to start out, 17 16 15 12 10 10.

    How would you build this at 9th level, with 1 Rare, and 2 Uncommon magic items? (Double Scimitar counts as a Sword, and is a single weapon for the purposes of effects that target/effect items.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mongobear View Post
    Any (full) Elf + Double Scimitar + Revenant Blade (WGtE Feat)

    Theme--An Entertainer/Gladiator, as my culture views exhibition of martial skill, especially with this weapon as a pinnacle of skill. This art was started by my ancestors, and the best way to honor them is by mastering the same skills they taught us.
    That sounds like a Drow Hexblade 1 / Valor Bard. Valor Bard with Hexblade is a surprisingly decent front-liner (especially if you take Resilient Con and/or Warcaster). With this combination on top of the double scimitar and feat (if you can afford it), you'll hit pretty hard and still be able to cast spells with the best of them. Having a short rest spell slot for things like Shield is quite nice as well.

    If you want more of a martial character, Fighter (Eldritch Knight) is quite "elf" and can make great use of the double scimitar. If you take revenant blade, then you can also pickup Defensive Duelist if you are so inclined and create a fairly hard-to-hit character. Mithral Armor (Plate) would be a good magical item option for this character if available. If you really want to push the feats on this character, make a Wood Elf and take Wood Elf Magic at level 8 (fighter can afford 3 feats by level 9). That'll give you longstrider and Pass Without Trace, because who doesn't want to be able to stealth really well every now and then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trickery View Post
    Drow Hexblade 1 / Valor Bard.
    I never even thought of Hexblade, and I considered Swords Bard even with the dead Fighting Style feature, for the Flourishes, and later getting to steal Holy Sword.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trickery View Post
    If you want more of a martial character, Fighter (Eldritch Knight)
    This is exactly what I did, as a High Elf (Sword Burst racial Cantrip). Took Revenant Blade at 4, and Warcaster at 6, then bumped Dex to 20 at 8, and took a bunch of self buffs and distractions for spells, although I'll probably only really ever use Shield and Absorb Elements.

    My DM mentioned he may allow the Dbl Scimitar with Bladesinger, which I would totally MC into for a few levels. The Dbl Scimitar counting as a 2-hander normally prevents this.
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    @All: Thanks for posting!

    @Mongobear: Greetings!

    I'll need to look up Revenant Blade feat, so need my Tablet. (On phone atm)

    @Trickery: "Drow Hexblade 1 / Valor Bard.
    Warcaster feat."
    Nice.

    "Fighter (Eldritch Knight)"
    This most likely would have been my pick, since (to my disappointment) Fighter is better at TWF than Ranger. (Edit: but only after 11th level).
    Champion second in line, for more (potential) Critical Hits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongobear
    My DM mentioned he may allow the Dbl Scimitar with Bladesinger, which I would totally MC into for a few levels. The Dbl Scimitar counting as a 2-hander normally prevents this
    My Suggestion: Fighter first for better Armor, with no more than six levels (Champion or Samurai), then Bladesinger the rest of the way.

    Mongobear: "Swords Bard, even with the dead Fighting Style feature"
    Swords Bard is also a good pick, but I'm not sure about this statement?
    Edit: thanks for the explanation.

    I take it that the Double Scimitar is in WgtE ?
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    The Double Scimitar is a Two-Handed weapon with Finesse. (Only one of its kind, iirc)

    It does 2d4 slashing, and let's you BA for 1d4 slashing, similarly to how TWFing or PAM Bonus Actions work. It also adds +1 AC similarly to Dual Wielder.

    Revenant Blade gives +1 Str or Dex, Finesse/+1 AC redundantly (doesn't stack), and improves the BA attack damage to 2d4 as well.

    Bladesinger doesn't work with the weapon, as Bladesong immediately ends if you attack with a 2-H weapon.

    Swords Bard gains either TWFing or Dueling Fighting styles, which don't interact with the weapon at all, as it's 1) a 2-hander, and 2) a single weapon not qualifying for TWFing.

    Mechanically, it's nearly identical to TWFing, but without the headache of needing the Style and a Feat and 2 different weapons.
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    Looking to build an Archer on a flying mount, and to achieve this as early as possible. So far the only two options I've seen is either by using Conjure Animals or by taking Find Greater Steed as a Swords Bard

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    Party of 6, level 10 to start. Other PCs are Wizard (Illusion), Barbarian, Rogue (Inquisitive), Cleric, Fighter (Gunslinger).

    Rolled stats are 15, 14, 14, 13, 10, 10

    I was leaning towards a melee character which specializes in fighting magic users. I start with 2 uncommon magic items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualswinger View Post
    Looking to build an Archer on a flying mount, and to achieve this as early as possible. So far the only two options I've seen is either by using Conjure Animals or by taking Find Greater Steed as a Swords Bard
    You can do this with a small race Beastmaster ranger riding a pteranodon. It's a medium beast with a flight speed of 60 and flyby to boot. You can rig an Exotic Saddle up and ride the thing for permanent flight as early as level 3. Make sure to strap yourself in.

    FYI, the mounted combat rules allow your mount to dash, dodge, or disengage without you spending your action, they arguably change its initiative to yours in combat (normal mount would move on your initiative), and the feat Mounted Combatant can help a lot with its survivability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualswinger
    Looking to build an Archer on a flying mount, and to achieve this as early as possible. So far the only two options I've seen is either by using Conjure Animals or by taking Find Greater Steed as a Swords Bard
    As far as I can tell, you are correct.
    Bard 10th level. Warlock 11th level. Paladin 13th level.

    But, I really like Trickery's suggestion!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Dragon View Post
    As far as I can tell, you are correct.
    Bard 10th level. Warlock 11th level. Paladin 13th level.

    But, I really like Trickery's suggestion!

    @Master O'Laughs: I'll start working on your request.
    Warlock 11?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualswinger
    Warlock 11?
    Opps. Reading through the book too fast.
    Forgot that Warlocks only get off their own list for Mystic Arcanum.
    Silly me. Sorry about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Dragon View Post
    As far as I can tell, you are correct.
    Bard 10th level. Warlock 11th level. Paladin 13th level.

    But, I really like Trickery's suggestion!

    @Master O'Laughs: Here's my Idea

    Forest Gnome Ranger Monster Slayer
    Str 14, Dex 14, Con 15, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 10

    Saves: Str and Dex. Advantage to Int, Wis and Cha Saves.
    Skills: Perception, Stealth, Nature
    Custom Background: Survival and Insight with Folk Hero feature (?)

    (4th) Mobility
    (8th) Mage Slayer

    (02nd) (2 slots) First Level spells Hail of Thorns, and Hunter’s Mark
    (03rd) (3 slots) +1 first level spell Cure Wounds (Trade for Lighting Arrow at 9th level?)
    (05th) (4 Slots) First level (2 slots) Second level (+1 Spell) Pass Without Trace
    (07th) (3 Slots) Second level +1 spell Protection from Poison
    (09th) (2 Slots) Third Level +1 spell Water Breathing
    10th level (4 slots) First level (3 Slots) Second level (2 slots) Third level
    Nice idea.... except I need to be a Beast Master to get the mount that's the point of the build XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualswinger
    Nice idea.... except I need to be a Beast Master to get the mount that's the point of the build XD
    Um... slightly confused....
    (Maybe put each Person's PC request in their own separate post?
    Part of the problem with that is I'm not supposed to post again until after another person makes a post. Humm - maybe Spoilers?)

    Is your Mounted Archer Character the same as the request posted by Master O'Laughs?

    I thought that PC was a separate request, and so made the Gnome "Anti-Mage" PC a Monster Slayer.
    Which won't fully come online until 11th level with Magic-User's Nemesis.
    And rocks some more at 15th level.

    But, if it is the same PC, I believe that Trickery's "small PC" idea (I'd go Lightfoot Halfling, for the Luck) works best for Beastmaster - with 4th being Mounted Combat and maybe add Sharpshooter at 8th (Crossbow Expert, if using that, at 12th - or switch), and most everything else would really be your (the player's) choice on what to take for the Ranger.

    Or were you looking for some other Class features to add to Beastmaster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Dragon View Post
    Um... slightly confused....
    (Maybe put each Person's PC request in their own separate post?
    Part of the problem with that is I'm not supposed to post again until after another person makes a post. Humm - maybe Spoilers?)

    Is your Mounted Archer Character the same as the request posted by Master O'Laughs?

    I thought that PC was a separate request, and so made the Gnome "Anti-Mage" PC a Monster Slayer.
    Which won't fully come online until 11th level with Magic-User's Nemesis.
    And rocks some more at 15th level.

    But, if it is the same PC, I believe that Trickery's idea works best for Beastmaster - with 4th being Mounted Combat and maybe add Sharpshooter at 8th (Crossbow Expert, if using that, at 12th - or switch), and most everything else would really be your (the player's) choice on what to take for the Ranger.

    Or were you looking for some other Class features to add to Beastmaster?
    Sorry. Thought you were replying to me. I didn't see that there was another request. I saw Ranger and assumed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualswinger View Post
    Sorry. Thought you were replying to me. I didn't see that there was another request. I saw Ranger and assumed
    It's all good. I messed up on the Warlock.

    I tend to have to Edit a lot - and so say: remember to double check.
    I'll do my best to keep the Characters separate (and in Spoilers with Player's Name), from now on.

    Characters (Ideas, by me) thus far

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    High Elf Fighter Eldritch Knight.
    Racial Cantrip: Fire Bolt.
    Str 10 Con 17 Dex 18 Int 16 Wis 12 Cha 10
    Languages: Common, Elven; Draconic

    01 Defense Style
    03 Weapon Bond. Cantrips: Green Flame Blade. True Strike.
    (2 slots) First level spells: (A) Shield (B) Absorb Elements [XgE] (C) Thunderwave
    04 Feat: Revenant Blade +1 Spell: Witch Bolt
    06 Feat: Sentinel
    07 (4 slots) First Level. (2 slots) Second Level Melf’s Acid Arrow.
    08 ASI into Dex = 20
    09 no changes.

    Note: Hexblade needs 3rd level for Blade Pact to match EK’s Weapon Bond


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    Here's my Idea.

    Forest Gnome Ranger Monster Slayer
    Str 14, Dex 14, Con 15, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 10

    Saves: Str and Dex. Advantage to Int, Wis and Cha Saves.
    Skills: Perception, Stealth, Nature
    Custom Background: Survival and Insight with Folk Hero feature (?)

    (4th) Mobility
    (8th) Mage Slayer

    (02nd) (2 slots) First Level spells Hail of Thorns, and Hunter’s Mark
    (03rd) (3 slots) +1 first level spell Cure Wounds (Trade for Lighting Arrow at 9th level?)
    (05th) (4 Slots) First level (2 slots) Second level (+1 Spell) Pass Without Trace
    (07th) (3 Slots) Second level +1 spell Protection from Poison
    (09th) (2 Slots) Third Level +1 spell Water Breathing
    10th level (4 slots) First level (3 Slots) Second level (2 slots) Third level


    Out of time for now. I'll try and check in tonight (on phone)
    And try and return tomorrow morning (on tablet)

    Requests, Comments, Ideas, Suggestions - all are welcome !!
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    One issue, GWM doesn't work with the Dbl Scimitar.

    It doesn't have the Heavy property, so I couldn't use the -5/+10 part, and I'd never need the BA on a critical/kill as I can already BA just by attacking normally.
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    @Mongobear: Ah. Sorry about that.

    I ran out of time, and couldn't double check to make sure those Feats applied.
    I did include alternate feats, just in case, and have edited to move those into the feat slots.

    Let me know if that works better.

    Was everything else OK?
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    @ Great Dragon.

    Thanks for the help in my own thread, builing talion. However i would like your take on it with information on the character

    Race warforged. Only requirement.


    Talion is a loyal*Ranger of Gondor, where he then rose the rank of Captain of the*Black Gate. After the tragic demise of his family and himself, Talion was revived by Celebrimbor, an immensely powerful*Wraith. However, they share the same body.

    As a Ranger, Talion exhibits great strength, speed,*and resilience. His past experience has provided him with a reasonable degree of stealth capability. He is a skilled swordsman.
    He is able to wield his weapons with great dexterity*and is capable of performing various finishers, including stealth and aerial take-downs. He possesses great skill in open combat and can easily engage multiple opponents in battle with incredible force and brutality.

    He has proven to be a skilled freerunner, able to sprint and vault across the remnants of Mordor with great agility and maneuverability. This ability allow him to quickly scale large buildings and cross beams.

    *Talion has also become a skilled hunter, able to fend off against the many dangerous and deadly beasts

    Celebrimbor grants Talion a host of additional powers which he can use to his advantage. Talion is capable of using*shadow strike, an attack which allows him to teleport to his enemies' location.
    The most important of Talion's abilities is his power to dominate*Uruks, allowing him to make them his minions.

    Not only is Celebrimbor efficient in the art of combat and in the use of Wraith abilities but he is also a highly skilled smith, possibly the greatest smith in all of Arda's history with at least three of the Rings of Power (the Elven rings) being crafted by him.

    Due to Celebrimbor's Elvish heritage, he is very skilled with his bow*Azkâr, which he used while he was alive and continues to do so after his death, as a Wraith.

    As a Wraith, Celebrimbor does not use arrows of conventional physical materials, but instead conjures insubstantial glowing blue arrows of Wraith-magic. These arrows can be magically set aflame by Celebrimbor, or used to pin his enemies' legs to the ground.

    He grants some of his athleticism to Talion, allowing him to run faster for a short amount of time. This speed is aided by his Wraith abilities to allow him to move quicker.

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    Thank you for posting here!

    I placed my ideas for Talion Here

    To me Celebrimbor sounds more like a PC that aids Talion (Must?), and as such would either be treated as a second PC, or is a co-DM PC. But, if just used as Fluff to explain the effects of some spells, not really a biggie.

    With this background, Warforge Envoy is most likely best for Race.

    I'd trade Eldritch Knight for Ranger Hunter (Monster Slayer for more 'kill magic creatures').
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    01 Favored Enemies (Orcs and Goblinoids ?)
    02 TWF
    First Level (2 known) Hail of thorns, Hunter's Mark

    03 +1 spell Longstrider (Ensnaring strike)

    04 ASI/Feat (Dual Wielder = Rapiers)

    05 +1 Spell. Second Level Pass Without Trace.
    Not only lets the ranger match the PC with Stealth Expertise (even after 11th level) but also helps the party.

    07 +1 spell Silence

    08 ASI/Feat (Defensive Duelist = +3 AC as reaction)

    09 +1 spell Third Level Water Breathing

    11 +1 spell Protection from Energy

    12 (This was mostly to get the ASI/Feat)


    While Forge Cleric adds a little flavor, I feel that the background didn't really highlight that as a real feature.
    Integrated Smithing Tools would make non-magical weapons and armor, though.

    However, taking Forge Cleric at 1st level does give some great benefits, Heavy Armor and either Magic Weapon or Armor for that day.

    Then choose either the Hexblade in the other thread, or Combine with Scout Rogue for more shenanigans
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Dragon View Post
    Thank you for posting here!

    I placed my ideas for Talion Here

    To me Celebrimbor sounds more like a PC that aids Talion (Must?), and as such would either be treated as a second PC, or is a co-DM PC. But, if just used as Fluff to explain the effects of some spells, not really a biggie.

    With this background, Warforge Envoy is most likely best for Race.

    While Forge Cleric adds a little flavor, I feel that the background didn't really highlight that as a real feature.
    Integrated Smithing Tools would make non-magical weapons and armor, though.

    However, taking Forge Cleric at 1st level does give some great benefits, Heavy Armor and either Magic Weapon or Armor for that day.

    Then choose either the Hexblade in the other thread, or Combine with Scout Rogue for more shenanigans
    Thanks for both of your posts, I think I have determined roughly what I want, but now I have to decide how true to the character source I want to be vs what mechanical features I want and when.

    I think I will discuss it with the party, but the core of the character will be

    Envoy Warforged
    Starting stats:
    Multiclass requirements needed: 8, 14, 14, 8, 13, 17
    Not needed: 8, 15, 14, 8, 12, 17

    Edit: I am going to revise this, dump Cha to min required if any, then max Dex or not? Right now I am very MAD for Cha and Dex.
    so 8 17, 14, 8, 13, 14?
    or 8, 17, 14, 8, 12, 14?

    Focus on Upping Dex and Cha.
    2: Ranger. I want the fighting style, going to take Mariner for +1 unarmored AC and the climb/swimb speed. It seems to fit the climbing/freerunning ability of Talion.
    1: Hexblade. The patron will be the spirit of an elf. Eldritch blast will be described as the spectral elf shooting his bow, or hitting with his sword, it scales with level to 4 attacks too. Shield spell will be spectral elf parrying. The DM can control the role playing element of the spectral elf, giving him a pseudo character in the game if needed, and make for an interesting character dynamic, I hope.
    1: Fighter. Second fighting style, likely TWF or GWF if I can convince the DM to let me use revenant blade as a warforged. Taken at first level this also gets me Heavy Armor Prof.

    The rest is really just spell and feature selection, and what/how many ASI or attacks I want. The most attacks would be EK7, as 4 eldritch blast + Bonus action attack would be the best I could do in a round.

    If I take EK, Cleric, and Tome pact, cantrips galore. Or I can focus on just getting higher level spells/slots. I dont know yet.

    Tentatively looking at 8EK, 5 Warlock(tome pact, agonizing, devil's sight, rituals), 2 Cleric, and 5 Ranger. I may drop ranger for 3 cleric if the 2nd level cleric spells are better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khrysaes
    Thanks for both of your posts, I think I have determined roughly what I want, but now I have to decide how true to the character source I want to be vs what mechanical features I want and when.
    I'm glad that I could help. I'd like to know how the Character worked out in the Game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Dragon View Post
    I'm glad that I could help. I'd like to know how the Character worked out in the Game.
    Hey once again thanks. I found out a rough Idea of the party now, and figured out ability scores, so I was wondering about advice on feats.

    Envoy Warforged
    Ability Scores: 8, 15, 14, 8, 12, 17(no multiclass requirements)
    Ability scores: 9, 14, 14, 8, 13, 17(multiclass requirements)
    Going to be using Composite plating, which is 13+dex+prof. So I cant get to 22 like with unarmored and heavy plating, only 21, but I dont have to max both Dex and Cha. Downside is that with Mariner, I can't use a shield, but it works in medium armor. But since I have medium armor, I can't use bracers of defense, but I can't count on that. So it is less AC no matter what.

    Feats Thoughts:
    Revenant Blade(provided the race restriction is lifted)
    Defensive duelist?
    Medium Armor Mastery?
    Lucky?
    +2 Cha
    +1 Cha half feat
    Resilient con or wis?
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    My suggestions are in bold.
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    Khrysaes "I was wondering about advice on feats"

    Feats Thoughts:
    "Revenant Blade" (provided the race restriction is lifted) 4th level

    "Defensive duelist?"
    Going to be using Composite plating, which is 13+dex+prof.

    Humm, would need to ask DM if allowing Prof bonus to AC twice. If so, go for it.

    "Medium Armor Mastery?"
    (With only 14-15 Dex, not really worth it)

    "Lucky?" (Second ASI)

    "+2 Cha and +1 Cha half feat?"
    Unless starting out Hexblade, using two ASIs for a 20 Cha shouldn't be needed.

    "Resilient con or wis?"
    Getting Prof in either can be good, but - not knowing how often the one you pick will be targeted makes Lucky a better pick, even if limited to three times a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Dragon View Post
    My suggestions are in bold.
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    Khrysaes "I was wondering about advice on feats"

    Feats Thoughts:
    "Revenant Blade" (provided the race restriction is lifted) 4th level

    "Defensive duelist?"
    Going to be using Composite plating, which is 13+dex+prof.

    Humm, would need to ask DM if allowing Prof bonus to AC twice. If so, go for it.

    "Medium Armor Mastery?"
    (With only 14-15 Dex, not really worth it)

    "Lucky?" (Second ASI)

    "+2 Cha and +1 Cha half feat?"
    Unless starting out Hexblade, using two ASIs for a 20 Cha shouldn't be needed.

    "Resilient con or wis?"
    Getting Prof in either can be good, but - not knowing how often the one you pick will be targeted makes Lucky a better pick, even if limited to three times a day.
    Revenent Blade is a half feat granting +1 dex. so if I start at 15, it would get to 16 for that +3, which makes Medium armor mastery more desirable.

    Same for Resilient Dex.


    That being said: tentatively, I decided on, in no particular order
    9, 14, 14, 8, 13, 17
    Revenant Blade
    Resilient Wis
    +2 Cha
    Menacing(Feats for Skills UA)(or one of the other one, I personally like the Diplomacy one best, but menacing fits the character more)
    and Warcaster.

    This gets me to 10 str, 14 Dex, 14 con, 8 int, 14 wis, and 20 Cha. I also meet all the multiclass prerequisites.
    So the only hand wave I need from the DM, is the UA and Revenant Blade okay, and with this DM i dont see it being needed, oh and because I forgot, I need him to allow Hex Warrior to work with a two handed weapon without taking pact of the blades, but if that isnt allowed then pact of the blades it is.

    The reason being, is that I would get more out of eldritch blast + bonus action attack(50 average) than 3 attacks (24 average)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khrysaes
    Revenent Blade is a half feat granting +1 dex. so if I start at 15, it would get to 16 for that +3, which makes Medium armor mastery more desirable.
    Ah. Looks good, then.

    The reason being, is that I would get more out of eldritch blast + bonus action attack (50 average) than 3 attacks (24 average)
    Looks like at least 4 levels EK (for Cantrip + BA attack and Feat) plus 4 levels Hexblade

    Mostly for next feat, but 5th lv Hexblade for extra Invocation, but remember that Fighter's Extra Attack and the Warlock Invocation Thirsty Blade don't add to each other.

    Looks like you have this PC figured out, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Dragon View Post
    Ah. Looks good, then.



    Looks like at least 4 levels EK (for Cantrip + BA attack and Feat) plus 4 levels Hexblade

    Mostly for next feat, but 5th lv Hexblade for extra Invocation, but remember that Fighter's Extra Attack and the Warlock Invocation Thirsty Blade don't add to each other.

    Looks like you have this PC figured out, though.
    8 fighter(because EK cantrip +BA is level 7) is 3 ASI.
    5 Ranger(Pass without a trace) 1 ASI
    5 Warlock(Tome, Agonizing, Devil's Sight) 1 ASI
    2 Cleric

    I could go 7 ranger instead, get improved favored enemy and proficiency in Wis saves too instead of 2 cleric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khrysaes
    8 fighter(because EK cantrip +BA is level 7*) is 3 ASI.
    5 Ranger(Pass without a trace) 1 ASI
    5 Warlock(Tome, Agonizing, Devil's Sight) 1 ASI
    2 Cleric

    I could go 7 ranger instead, get improved favored enemy and proficiency in Wis saves too instead of 2 cleric.
    * forgot, was on phone and hard to look up stuff.

    Revenant Blade (Fighter 4)
    Resilient Wis (Fighter 6)
    Menacing (Fighter 8)
    Warcaster (Ranger 4)
    +2 Cha (Warlock 4)

    Ranger 7 = Escape the Horde, Multiattack Defense, Steel Will.

    Dropping Warlock to 4th lv to get Ranger 8th level's ASI - IDK, losing that Invocation doesn't really seem worth it.

    Forge Cleric 2 = magic weapon/armor, and does add a few 1st level cleric spells, but doesn't really help with Warlock spell slots. Although, being able to Upcast Cleric Spells into a 4th level slot? (Wouldn't that cost a Warlock spell slot, though?)

    (Don't mind me. I'm just using posted text to think out Loud.
    Let me know what you think.)
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    So I've been wanting to make sort of a demonic ranger sort of build. My goal was to gain pact of the chain familiar, that way I could have a pet imp or pseudodragon, then I liked the idea of moving between shadows like shadow monk and shadow sorcerer do, but I know that would be hard to make a decent character with, so if you have any ideas for a demonic/shadowy ranger/archer that would be cool. So far I know I'm planning to use Tiefling as the race, and I wanted a few levels in warlock for pact of the chain, then I wanted mostly stuff for archery and stealth.

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    Greetings, Mythalidor !!!

    Thanks for posting.

    Humm. I'm on my phone and AFB.

    Would Meph be an acceptable "Ancestor"?

    Fiend Warlock: Perhaps 'Stealing' power from the Fiendish Mage Master?

    But, it sound like you are wanting a
    Gloomestalker Ranger for Archery and Stealth. With Stalker to be able to hide even in Dim Light, while being invisibile to Darkvision.

    Not sure if this is too Multi Attribute Dependent (MAD) but:

    Gloomestalker Ranger 4 (for Stalker feat)
    Fiend Warlock 4 (for ASI)
    Shadow Monk 4 (for ASI)

    Past 12th level:
    take +1 Ranger for Extra Attack
    And then go pure Monk for Shadow step.

    Does this sound about right?
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