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2011-08-07, 05:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-08-07, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Congrats, EsperDerek; you actually got me to panic enough that I'm responding sans quotewall.
Midnight, y u ask continuity during only 12 hours I no here?
Methinks...
Spoilerboth A and C. I say both, because I sill believe that Nightmare Moon being a separate entity which took over Luna devalues EVERYTHING that is supposed to be good about the pilot. It strips Luna and Nightmare Moon of any actual depth.
Multiple personalities tend not to be real, separate entities. They are slivers of the original. One could say they are mood swings which got out o hand. But Luna also had some hand in Midnight's conception, even if only spiritually1, so the schism, the depth of the valley between Midnight's active, good qualities and her suppressed negative ones could be part of her inheritance along with her more horse-like features.
So while C has the most potential off the bat for continued story production, I don't see the conflict between A & C at all. Different ways of presenting the same situation; after all, wouldn't the Midnight / Nightmare synthesis give the former some traits of the latter? Hearing a 'different' voice in her head would just be Midnight's way of noting she normally wouldn't have consciously thought that, just as much as it would be having a separate entity in her brain whispering into her pink, spongy wrinkles.
Sort of like a Brock/Venom thing. Sure, they could be separate, but as they often say, "We are Venom!".
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Also, and most importantly to me,
IF YOU LIKE OPTION B THEN DO IT ANYWAY. We have our own subcontinuity here. There is plenty of room for an original idea which happened to have it's superficial thunder stolen by a marketing gimmick. And as a man who's grip on sanity hinges on infinite potentiality through differing parallels, it's not so hard to understand either; a different world, alternate universe, a thought exercise.
So I, personally, would like you to try your hoof & quill at option B. It doran have to be canon, but I implore you to produce the fruits of this branch, even if only to placate me. If you require payment of some variety, I'm game. But I would hate to see a good thig tossed aside because of "temporal stability", "wrote mysel into a corner", or "Nyx ruined the genre by being highly visible".
Also, that last sentence, I cannot rewrite it without either losing the joke, or sounding like a heel. So take it win a grain of salt. It shouldn't come across as offensive, but one never knows.
Whew. Alright, now to ge back to working on my quote wall. See you in about 2 hours, folks!
EDIT: Dammit!
If the timing on this werent so comedic, I would be rather upset
Good game, Inkwell. Good game~
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2011-08-07, 05:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-08-07, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-08-07, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Gonna parrot what most of the others said:
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I like options A and C the most.
-A gives us a nice ending and finality. After this, there can be no more Nightmare Moon. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is up to the reader. On the one hoof, the biggest villain from the series is gone for good, on the other hoof, she was mainly lonely and overprotective (at least as you write her).
-C would be harder to write, but seeing the internal dialogue between the two could be interesting. Also a good way to see Nightmare Moon in a non-villain, non-spotlight role.
-B would probably be seen as derivative, unless you go with Aotrs' suggestion of a non-pony form for her. Like a Nightmare Staff, an intelligent magical item that communicates with Midnight telepathically. If you do this, I'd suggest going non-pony, whether that means a different type of animal or inanimate object is up to you.
They are called "Zebracorns" and "Pegras", and they totally exist. They are kind of obscure, you've probably never heard of them.
You know, this instantly made me think of the Discworld, and how they would never make a map of it (they eventually did). Would it not be awesome if Equestria was on the Disc though?
On the Streets of Ankh Morpork, deep in the heart of the shades.
Princess Celestia told us to go to Ankh Morpork and speak with the Patrician about all the pollution that it is spreading into Equestria. Could you direct me to him good sir?
Random Mugger 1: Aye, the Patrician can usually be found in dark alleyways. He, um, likes the shade...um, just follow me.
Sure, thank you kind sir! I never knew ponies, er, people in the city were so nice! I should write Princess Celestia now! Spike! Spike? Where did you get to Spike?
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2011-08-07, 05:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, if you put it that way, then no, I would not be in favor of zebra unicorns and pegasi. I'd much prefer that African mythologies be the source for what populates the Equestrian Africa.
I've avoided reading the alternatives, but I think you've won me over to your side.
I think the important question is not who that is, but instead what happens to the stuff on that landmass when she's set free.
That site (it's not a wiki, by the way) has been around since 1995, so I think the question is: where were you three years ago?
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2011-08-07, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-08-07, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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The only reason Owl's Well isn't my least favorite is because, specifically, it shafted Spike. It's the only episode I can recall spending he whole time going "oh, come on!"
Every turn, there were glaring holes wherein Spike could have shone, and instead they gave him the idiot-ball gag and made him the totem pole of Dumb that the other ponies danced around, like monkeys at an obelisk.
"Look, I think Spike is jealous" "No wai! DERP"
"don't worry Spike, he's not going to replace you, he's just going to do everything for me you usually do, except you don't get any time off for it, you just get yelled at, DERP"
"oh, don't use your innate fire to light the way through the dark forest, we'll follow the owl I can barely see flyin through the trees DERP"
I was horribly upset that Spike got saddled with an actual problem, and even though Twilight was in the wrong, the moral came out that Spike juts needs to be less jelly LOL DERP.
Ugh. Poor guy.
Spike/Rarity will happen!
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Hang on, I'm missing a trick here. If you're gonna be chased my a crazy goddess, you may as well make use of it...
Lix, you're a shipping goddess; can you make Spike/Rarity happen?
we've finally cracked him!
I also note that ship-goddess sounds totally different when preceded by spacelich. *shrug*
I could make that work.
Braeburn is the new Rainbow Dash.
That is grand, because I wasn't sure I could get you to convert them without you first wanting to. Yay~
It is heavily implied by the setting that dragons don't have any more overt magic than pegasi or earth ponies.
That being said, Spike knows Twilight, who could help him. I just hope it's done in a more serious manner than the tics I've seen.
If the human parent is lucky.
About half as much as Carpathian vampires, so about 1/6th of all fantasy fiction over all.
Hm. Wonder what mine would be? A stone wall, wherein each brick and the mortar (and the grass at the bottom) were made of different colored text? Heh.
... Oh wow. That's actually really clever. We will get you an avatar-sized square of forum background color; then say your avatar was made courtesy of ponythread. No one will know what's going on, unless they are curious enough to highlight the avatar area, to see you went through all that trouble just to not really have an avatar!
You, you're a smart one, Erikun. Real clever, you are.
Wow. I could follow that. I blame... Eh. It's in the sig.
Aye, it's pretty dumb. Far as I can tell, almost all magic fits into 3 D&D categories, based on duration;
Concentration, instantaneous, and for the wings, a specific time table.
Being permanently cursed, but having that curse be removable - that is, undone, rather than specifically using a permanent effect to undo a permanent effect (should probably say instantaneous, rather than permanent...) - seems to be beyond her.
She's like an old school alchemist; just enough provable knowledge that she feels confident when she say sometime that's bat-plop insane.
This is funny, because this is exactly how Dominic Deegan operates, but here it's a storytelling advantage, and there it's just one more reason to tear Mookie a new one.
Which is why I am able to give DD a second chance and like it again; just so Lix doesn't try to kill me
I jut think Twilight is classically racist. She insists only unicorns have magic, even though Word of Faust has eery pony type being magical, just not 'casting' magical spells.
Twilight is the standard Wizard calling sorcerers a bunch of bunkum con-artists.
Again, ancient Alchemist. "no no, mercury isn't poisonous; he just didn't cleanse his humors first! That's what he hemlock is for, duh~"
Write all three! Or that's what I would have said.
I have already cast my vote, I'm just too lazy to cut out a bunch of now-unimportant quotes.
That's... Very true. Hm.
Multiple choice! Multiple choice!
OOH! OOH! I KNOW!
We can make it a dating sim while we're at it!
I love cats~
Also, haha, he fell into your evil plot!
Hm. So Twilight is the only one whose culture wasn't steeped in recognition of poison joke. If it's grown in the Everfree since Ponyville was founded, then even if no mentioned by name, it would affect the folklore of the pontoons Ponies.
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Well, yes. That too.
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2011-08-07, 05:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerOh wow. These ideas should be combined. Nightmare becomes separate from Midnight as a miniture version of herself that hangs around Midnight (as her pet and/or assistant?) and dispenses bad advice :D
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I almost didn't catch that. Well done sir, well doneLast edited by Beacon of Chaos; 2011-08-07 at 05:59 PM.
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I think that depends on the circumstances. if Blaise Pascal traveled trough time to today he would accept it because the world says so; but if someone travelled back and explained the theory and even showed some experiments that validate the theory he wouldn't.
The more fundamental a idea the harder it is to accept. For example the concept of coincidence and random is pretty defining for the modern world and sciences. But a few hundred years ago no one would have believed it because it implies that fate and destiny do not rule the universe. The same goes for the idea that matter is both corporeal and wave.
She goes out and try to prove things; that makes her a scientist in my view. Just not a good one. So I concur that she is more of an scholar than an actual (i.e. good) scientist. Also it makes her more likely to stick to something she read and force everything into known categories.
Now I'm curious if you're curious because you subconsciously remembered the picture below. I'm pretty sure you have seen it already on dA because we frequent the same groups.
It#s said before, but maybe it's really just a matter of semantics. In the poison joke flower could be a profane illness. Remember, this is a world where the ponies have to take care that the plants grow, the animals are feed and the clouds are moved. Their idea of magic and profane should be very different than ours.
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2011-08-07, 06:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Midnight Nightmare stuff
SpoilerPart 7 was very nice just like the previous parts. Now the ending, hmm...
A is sad and status quo and I don't really care for either of those things so I don't care for A that much.
B is better but as you've said Nyx kind of messes up what would have been pretty original. I'd say to avoid this option.
Edit: Looking over what others have said, if Nightmare Moon were seperated but in a non-Pony way this could work out.
C I like the best. It's strange but it's certainly the most interesting of the three. Its kind of funny that I was working on a sort of Jekyll and Hyde bickering like a married couple split personality concept for a warlock that I plan to play in a DnD game in the near future and this comes up. I really like the idea of back and forth between Midnight and Nightmare but I would prefer Midnight to remain the more dominant of the two. Also, Nightmare Moon shoulder devil is the best thing ever.
You should pick the one you like best of course but C is my favorite of the three.Last edited by Bayonet Priest; 2011-08-07 at 06:14 PM.
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2011-08-07, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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I was going to make up Applejack the "Lone Wanderer" because my ARTS has ADD... then I got a Strange Backburner in TF2.
Priorities.Ask me about our low price vacation plans in the Elemental Plane of Puppies and PieSpoiler
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2011-08-07, 06:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-08-07, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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A Midnight Nightmare Update:
Wow, so many people posting their opinions. This pleases me so much, thank you all.
I've decided on the ending, and now I'm slowly developing the whys and hows of what happens. I feel I have a pretty solid handle on what's going to happen, and that I can make it as solid as possible.
But since it's going to probably be the longest of the excerpts, and I'm still *really* mentally and physically exhausted from having to help put on a wedding yesterday, you shouldn't expect the final Excerpt until tomorrow.
Part of the reason why it's going to be until tomorrow, is because I'd like to go back and brush up the earlier Excerpts, to make it more in line with the tone and the story that was established as I went along here.
So, yeah, it'll be tomorrow, when I'll post a much larger post, with all eight Excerpts, including revisions to some of the earlier ones. Stay tuned for it!
I just have one last question. I use DarkOrchid for Midnight, and Green for Nightmare. But what color should I use when I'm referring to them both at the same time?Last edited by EsperDerek; 2011-08-07 at 06:38 PM.
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2011-08-07, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-08-07, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is the best quote. If I had sig space anywhere I'd be using it.
My vote is -
- Well said.
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG
SpoilerI do like A, especially in the way that I immediately visualised the ending. But I think that C gives legitimate long term character growth for two characters and spins up so many by-products and additional complexities it's just worth it. It's an endless source of narrative fuel.
I'm also imagining Midnight with one green Nightmare Moon eye and one regular eye, and when she's talking to herself the eyes cross.
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2011-08-07, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hope ya recover well, mate. And my offer of bribery still stands.
Switching back and forth in the same sentence has worked well.
Alternately, for single lines, do the line twice, in smaller font win one on top, one on bottom. The mind should scan the two together.
We are Midnight Mare!
We are Midnight Mare!
In other news, I enjoy the accidental connection you made between me as a mare, and Nightmare Moon.
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Navy is a pretty decent color, I might go for that.
And also, congratulations, Inkwell, I think everypony loves the idea of a NMM Shoulder Devil.
See?
SpoilerI actually like that heterochroma idea, so I think I might yank it. And, yes, part of the reason why I'm slanting towards 'C' in my ending is because there's so much that can be done with the idea further. It'd be a shame to waste that, I think.
I'm recovering, I'm just honestly exhausted, but it's a good type of exhaustion.
I might take you up on the bribery. In fact, I might end up writing out the two endings that I have not selected as sort of a 'DVD Extra' alternative endings, simply because I feel like all three endings could be strong.
And god, the trouble I had picking a green that was not already taken, and was actually freaking readable. Y'all already took the great greens, so ponies kept thinking it was either Lyra or you who was speaking with Midnight at the start there.
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2011-08-07, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ok! So. Everypony in my hotel room is asleep because they are wussies. GenCon's all over and stuff, because things end. It's part of that 'time' thing I've heard so much about. What this means is that I'm not home, but I've got time to post. Hooray!
And... I... you... y-y-y-y-y-y-you... f-filled... a thread. An entire thread while I was away. It was only for a couple of days! 50 pages! You know when I said I wasn't going to bother catching up? This is why! Cheese on toast, guys. What exactly were you all up to, anyway?
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while it is a good idea, I feel I should step up and point out that heterochromia is one of the top three signs of a Mary sue character.
Of course, NMM really only comes to the fore when she's under duress, so the One Green Eye could work like the dad blowing a blood vessel in Daria. She gets angry, fumes, then POOF! green left eyeball.
I'm recovering, I'm just honestly exhausted, but it's a good type of exhaustion.
It's those "I'm beat and I'm not even halfway there yet" that kills me. Like moving! Nothing is worse than finally being done moving, collapsing for a heap meal and a nap, and realizing now you have to unpack every darn thing XD
I might take you up on the bribery. In fact, I might end up writing out the two endings that I have not selected as sort of a 'DVD Extra' alternative endings, simply because I feel like all three endings could be strong.
And god, the trouble I had picking a green that was not already taken, and was actually freaking readable. Y'all already took the great greens, so ponies kept thinking it was either Lyra or you who was speaking with Midnight at the start there.
And sorry about that. Even worse? If I weren't assaulted by my brothers to pick a different color, to fit the scheme and to free up the younger's girlfriend's favorite color.
It would have been a purple
I have a connection to the entire family, almost; only Trixie escapes my schema. Except we dress alike. Har.
Inkwell; ponibooru doesn't love me so your reaction pic will have to wait. If I draw it myself, it comes after Filly Snowflake and some wool, in Spinning a Yarn (in theaters this summer!)
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2011-08-07, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's a Phoe! High, Phoe! (get it? "high fee"? No? Psh. Fine, I'll try context next time...)
Believe it or not, from 25-45 of last thread was the most on-topic we have been since... Around thread 5. There are a couple neat highlights.
Scootaloo and why she can't fly.
Military application of Pegasus pony magic.
Starship technologies.
Um... There's more, but I can't remember any of it. Oh! And Inkwell did a Filly Phoe wi' yarn.Last edited by SiuiS; 2011-08-07 at 07:49 PM.
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Inkwell posted this. I think you'll like it:
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Midnight Mare
SpoilerI honestly like SiuiS's solution the best, as it also solves some of my previous concerns. The spell can save Midnight, but it reduces Nightmare to a head-voice, or only has partial control, or whatever. Do what you want with the dual-eye color thing; other people may assume the wrong things, but that's their problem, not yours.
Any other points I could give have already been said. Get some sleep, and I look forward to your final excerpt!
I know you've already decided, but I just wanted to throw my last two cents in. The Amishman approves of your decision.Last edited by TheAmishPirate; 2011-08-07 at 08:04 PM.
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Have you heard this?
Science is based on consensus opinion, not individual opinion. As you age your brain loses plasticity--the ability to learn and understand new things; it's not a trait of scientists but of rabbits and dogs and humans too. It also doesn't really matter because new blood is constantly being added to replace the old. It all evens out.Last edited by Kindablue; 2011-08-07 at 10:09 PM.