Equipment for the New World [Crossroads][Pathfinder]

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The Setting: Crossroads: The New World

The Year: 1750 A.D. (or 己巳年 (Earth Snake) 4446, or 13 Grass 1 Flower, or Long Count Date 12.6.13.3.12, depending on your point of view)

The Place: The continent of North Vespuccia (or Fúsāng, or Turtle Island, or Novokamchatka, depending on your point of view)

As always, we are looking for feedback, so please feel free to comment, make suggestions, and offer constructive criticism with regards to the stats we've selected here.

A note on prices: Currencies vary from place to place in Vespuccia, and can include coins, paper notes, cocoa beans, precious metals, furs, blankets, shells, and belts of wampum. As such, there is no universal currency that can be used the way GP are in typical D&D. As such, prices of various items are measured in Value Points (1 VP = 1 GP). You can trade items for any number of items of equal or lesser value, or currency totaling equal or lesser value. You can attempt to get a better deal, upselling the items you're offering, by making a bluff check opposed by the opponent's sense motive check. If you succeed, you may trade as though your offer was worth 10% more VP. If you fail, however, all your items are treated as though they were worth 90% of their actual value for this transaction.

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Mundane Equipment

Adventuring Gear

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Name	Price	Weight	Special
air-bladder	0.1 vp	½ lb.
bear trap	2 vp	10 lbs.
bell	1 vp	—
blubber	2 vp	—	+2 to Fort saves against frostbite
camouflage outfit	50 vp	5 lbs.	+2 circumstance bonus on Hide checks
caving helmet	15 vp	3 lbs.	attached oil lamp provides 5 ft. of bright illumination (and 10 ft. shadowy) for 6 hours.
compass	10 vp	½ lb.
conch trumpet	—	2 lb.	see text
horn, powder	3 vp	1 lb.	contains ? charges of gunpowder
glue, animal	0.5 vp	½ lb.
map	50 vp	2 lbs.	price varies with quality
mirror, small steel	10 vp	½ lb.	useful for signaling with flashes of light
moccasins	20 vp	1 lb.	+2 to (silent) Stealth and Survival checks, adds 2 to DC of Track attempts against you
mukluks	5 vp	2 lbs.	+3 to Fort saves against frostbite
parka			+5 to Fort saves against frostbite
poncho	0.5 vp	2 lbs.	waterproof
rope, hempen (50 ft.)	1 vp	10 lbs.
rope, silk (50 ft.)	10 vp	5 lbs.
rope, spider's silk (50 ft.)	100 vp	4 lbs.
sextant	500 vp	2 lbs.
spyglass	1,000 vp	1 lb.	+10 to long-distance visual Perception checks
snowshoes	5 vp	4 lbs.	reduce movement penalties from snow or marshy ground by 50%
star charts	200 vp	½ lb.
string or twine (50 ft.)	0.01 vp	½ lb.
tipi (18 ft.)	20 gp	60 lbs.
whistle, signal	0.8 vp	—
whistle, silent	0.9 vp	—

Alchemical Items

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Name	Craft DC	Price	Weight	Special
antitoxin (vial)	25	50 vp	—	+5 alchemical bonus on Fort saves vs. poison for 1 hr.
bachelor snuff	—	1 vp	—	Makes male humanoids temporarily infertile.
black drink				6× the caffeine of coffee
black powder
insect repellent		20 vp
matchcord (2 ft.)		0.02 vp	—

Accessories, Apparel, & Jewelry

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Name	Price	Weight	Special
belt, wampum	50 vp
hat, coonskin	0.5 vp
hat, touque	0.5 vp
hat, tricorn			directs water away from the face
headdress, feathered	40 vp	3 lbs.	+3 on Intimidate checks against Natives of lower status
outfit, artisan's	1 gp	4 lbs.
outfit, cold-weather
outfit, dandy's	30 vp	6 lbs.
outfit, doctor's	150 gp	6 lbs.
outfit, mountebank's	3 vp	4 lbs.
outfit, explorer's	10 gp	8 lbs.
outfit, hot-weather	8 vp	4 lbs.
outfit, hunter's			includes coonskin cap
outfit, merchant's	75 vp	10 lbs.
outfit, martial artist's	5 vp	2 lbs.
outfit, pickpocket's	5 vp	3 lbs.
outfit, scholar's	5 vp	6 lbs.
outfit, slave's	0.1 vp	2 lbs.
outfit, soldier's uniform	1 vp	5 lbs.
outfit, traveler's	1 vp	5 lbs.
outfit, voyageur's
periwig, powdered	50 vp		+3 to Intimidate checks against Europeans of lower status
robe, feather			+5 to Intimidate checks against Natives of lower status
robe, silk			+6 to Intimidate checks against Chinese or Europeans of lower status
robe, spider-silk			+8 to Intimidate checks against persons of lower status
spectacles	5 vp	—	+2 Perception (fine details)
swarmsuit	20 vp	10 lbs.	see text
tear-away clothing	+5 gp	varies	see text

Armor & Shields

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Name	Price	Armor/Shield Bonus	Max Dex Bonus	Armor Check Penalty	Arcane Spell Failure Chance	Speed (30 ft./20 ft.)	Weight	Special
chimalli (wooden featherwork shield)	3 vp	+1	—	-1	5%	—/—	5 lbs.
cuacalalatli (hardwood war-helmet)	40 vp
hide armor	15 vp	+4	+4	-3	20%	20 ft./15 ft.	25 lbs.
ichcahuipilli (quilted cotton armor)	100 vp	+1	+8	0	10%	30 ft./20 ft.	15 lbs.	DR 3/— against small piercing weapons
pipe-bone breastplate						30 ft./20 ft.
scute armor	850 vp					30 ft./20 ft.	20 lbs.	+4 alchemical bonus to Fort saves vs. poison
tlahuiztli (feathered war-suit)	150 vp							+10 on Intimidate checks
wooden armor	20 vp	+3	+3	-1	15%	30 ft./20 ft.	25 lbs.	slightly buoyant; no Swim penalty

Flavor Treasure

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Name	Price	Weight	Special
antler, megaloceros
box, bentwood	50 vp	5 lbs.
box, lacquered	10 vp
box, mahogany	60 vp
box, porcupine quill	40 vp
horn, narwhal
fine ivory carving, Tuniit	50 vp	½ lb.
mask, shaman’s (broken)
moulted snakeskin, two-headed
peace-pipe adorned with rare feathers
scrimshaw, fine	30 vp	1 lb.
ship-in-a-bottle
tea set, lacquered	30 vp
tea set, porcelain	45 vp
tomahawk-pipe	30 vp		+2 to Diplomacy checks when smoked
wampum necklace	70 vp
white buffalo robe
xocolotl-drinking cups, matched pair

Materials

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Substance	HP/inch	Hardness	Weight	Cost	Add magic enhancement	Effect
bone (incl. antler, horn, ivory, and shell)		5				–2 on damage rolls (min. 1)
brass
bronze		9		unchanged	unchanged
bronzewood
darkwood	10	5		+10 vp per pound
iron, cast
iron, cold	30	10		×2 normal	+2,000 vp	Harmful to fey, demons, and devils
iron, forged
iron, sky
ironwood						as strong, heavy, and resistant to fire as steel
obsidian			¾ normal	½ normal		fragile; critical increases to 18-20/×3
steel
stone (incl. flint)		½ hardness of base item	¾ normal	¼ normal
whale sinew	3	1		2 vp/lb.		deteriorates over time in water

Poisons

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Name	Type	Fort DC	Onset	Frequency	Effect	Cure	Price
arsenic	ingested	13	10 min.	1/min. for 4 min.	1d2 Con	1 save	120
angel's trumpets
belladonna (deadly nightshade)	ingested	14	10 min.	1/min. for 6 min.	1d2 Str, see text	1 save	100
berries, doll’s eyes	ingested
berries, English yew*	ingested
berries, holly	ingested
berries, mistletoe	ingested
jimson weed
moonseeds
narcissus*
oleander*
poison oak (slight exposure)	contact	13	1 hour		1d4 Dex, sickened	1 save	-
poison oak (severe exposure)	contact or inhaled	16	1 hour	1/hour	2d4 Dex and 1d4 Con; 1 Con	1 save	-
purple loosestrife*	ingested
puffer-fish skin, powdered	inhaled
snakeroot	ingested
toadstool, striped	ingested	11	10 minutes	1/minute for 4 minutes	1d3 Wis damage and 1 Int damage	1 save
venom, black widow	injury
venom, brown recluse spider	injury
venom, copperhead	injury
venom, cottonmouth	injury
venom, giant wasp	injury	18	1/round for 6 rounds	1d2 Dex damage	1 save
venom, gila monster	injury
venom, large scorpion	injury	18	1/round for 6 rounds	1d2 Str damage	1 save
venom, medium spider	injury	14		1/round for 4 rounds	1d2 Str damage	1 save
venom, rattlesnake	injury
venom, scorpion	injury
venom, small centipede	injury	11	1/round for 4 rounds	1 Dex damage	1 save
venom, spreading adder	injury	11	—	1/rd. for 6 rds.	1d2 Con	1 save	120
venom, stingray	injury
venom, toadfish	injury
venom, uktena	injury
venom, wasp swarm	injury	13		1/round for 4 rounds	1 Dex damage	1 save
venom, water moccasin	injury
Vodou poison	contact/inhaled/injury
water hemlock	ingested	18	10 min.	1/min. for 6 min.	1d6 Dex damage, creatures reduced to 0 Dexterity suffocate	2 saves	2,500
wolfsbane*	ingested	17	-	1/rd. for 6 rds.	1d4 Con	2 saves	3,000

*invasive species, not native to the New World

Trade Goods

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Name	Price	Weight
allspice	1 vp	1 lb.
ammunition, bullets
ammunition, buckshot
ammunition, gunpowder
axe-heads (5)		7½ lbs.
beads, bone
beads, glass (rasade)
beads, stone
beads, wooden
beans	0.02 vp	1 lb.
blanket, cotton
blanket, woolen
cauldron, copper (chaudiére)
cheese	0.02 vp	1 lb.
citrus fruit	0.03 vp	1 lb.
cloves	1 vp	1 lb.
comb, wooden
comb, jade
concertina (accordion)
cocoa bean (1)	1 vp	—
coffee beans	0.05 vp	1 lb.
drum, hand
drum, snare
dye
fiddle
flour	0.02 vp	1 lb.
flute, bamboo
flute, bone
flute, ivory
flute, reed
garlic	0.5 vp	1 lb.
ginger	2 vp	1 lb.
guitar, common	10 vp	6 lbs.
guitar, masterwork	50 vp	6 lbs.
hardtack
honey	1 vp	1 lb.
incense/copal
jerky
maple syrup	1 vp	1 lb.
mint	0.5 vp	1 lb.
nutmeg	1 vp	1 lb.
nuts	0.03 vp	1 lb.
pelt, badger
pelt, bear	0.66 vp
pelt, beaver	2 vp	1 lb.
pelt, buffalo
pelt, deer
pelt, ermine
pelt, fox	1 vp
pelt, lynx	1 vp
pelt, marten	0.4 vp
pelt, mink	0.12 vp
pelt, moose
pelt, muskrat	0.12 vp
pelt, otter	1 vp
pelt, raccoon	0.2 vp
pelt, seal
pelt, squirrel
pelt, walrus
pelt, wolf	0.5 vp
pelt, wolverine	0.5 vp
pelt, woodchuck
pelt, albino	×4	—
pelt, undamaged	+20%	—
pelt, untreated/fresh	-75%	+50%
pipe, tobacco
pepper	2 vp	1 lb.
rosemary	1 vp	1 lb.
saffron	15 vp	1 lb.
salt	5 vp	1 lb.
scissors
sewing needles
silk (1 sq. yd.)	10 vp
silk, spider (1 sq. yd.)	100 vp
spirits, cask		18 lb.
spirits, keg		90 lb.
spirits, hogshead		750 lb.
sugar	0.05 vp	1 lb.
tchīlli peppers (20)	2 vp	1 lb.
tea
tobacco	0.5 vp	1 lb.
turnips	0.02 vp	1 lb.
turquoise
vanilla	2 vp	1 lb.
wampum, purple
wampum, white	10 vp	1 lb.
wheat	0.01 vp	1 lb.
wine, Madeira	50 vp	3½ lbs.
xocolotl (chocolate)

Vehicles & Transportation

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Name	Price	Weight	Speed (squares, mph)	Max Load	Special
canoe, birchbark (15 ft.)			variable*	800 lbs.
canoe, birchbark (30 ft.)			variable*
canoe, dugout (15 ft.)			variable*
canoe, dugout (30 ft.)			variable*
carrack (sailing ship)	17,500 vp
cart, artillery	15 vp
dogsled	10-30 vp	15-25 lbs.	see text	300-800 lbs.
kayak			variable*		take no cold damage from capsizing
travois, horse			-10 ft./turn**	½ horse's weight
travois, dog			-5 ft./turn**	250 lbs.
umiaq			variable*

*see Voyageur class description for rules related the "Handle Canoe" skill and watercraft maneuvering.
**when fully-loaded

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Mundane Weaponry

Simple Weapons

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Unarmed Attacks

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
kick	—	1d3	1d4	1d6	×2	—	—	B	nonlethal
punch	—	1d2	1d3	1d4	×2	—	—	B	nonlethal
slap	—	1d2-1	1d3-1	1d4-1	×2	—	—	B	nonlethal

Light Melee Weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
dagger/dirk	2 vp	1d3	1d4	1d6	19-20/×2	10 ft.	1 lb.	P or S	—
ītztōpīlli (stone-blade axe)
hook hand	10 vp	1d3	1d4	1d6	×2	—	1 lb.	P	disarm
tecpatl (obsidian knife)	1 vp	1d3	1d4	1d6	18-20, ×3	—	¾ lb.	P or S	½ hardness of base weapon, fragile

One-handed melee weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
club	—	1d4	1d6	1d8	×2	—	3 lbs.	B	—
cudgel, short (棒)	5 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	×2	—	4 lbs.	B	—
tonfa (拐)	1 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	×2	—	1 lb.	B	blocking, monk

Two-handed melee weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
oar/paddle	—	1d4	1d6	1d8	×2	—	4 lbs.	B	—
quarterstaff (gùn, 棍)	—	1d4/1d4	1d6/1d6	1d8/1d8	×2	—	4 lbs.	B	double, monk
spear (qiang, 槍)	2 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	×3	20 ft.	6 lbs.	P	brace

Ranged weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
blowgun	2 vp	1	1d2	1d3	×2	20 ft.	1 lb.	P	poison
javelin	1 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	×2	30 ft.	2 lbs.	P
sling	—	1d3	1d4	1d6	×2	50 ft.	—	B	—

Ammunition

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special

Martial Weapons

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Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special

Light melee weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
blade boot	25 vp	1d3	1d4	1d6	×2	—	2 lbs.	P	see text
cat-o'-nine-tails	1 vp	1d3	1d4	1d6	×2	—	1 lb.	S	disarm, nonlethal
handaxe	6 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	×3	—	3 lbs.	S	—
sap	1 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	×2	—	2 lbs.	B	nonlethal
war club, ball-headed (stone)							4 lbs.	B
war club, gunstock							2 lbs.	B
war club, spiked								P
war club, wooden							1 lbs.	B

One-handed melee weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
butterfly sword (húdié shuāng dāo)	20 vp	1d3	1d4	1d6	19–20/×2	—	1 lb.	S	monk
cuahuitl (baton)
cutlass	15 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	18-20/×2	—	4 lbs.	S	—
mace(鐧), heavy	12 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	×2	—	8 lbs.	B	—
rapier	20 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	18–20/×2	—	2 lbs.	P	—
sabre, Chinese (dao, 刀)
sabre, European	10 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	19–20/×2	—	2 lbs.	P	—

Two-handed melee weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
bayonet	5 vp	1d4	1d6	x2	—	1 lb.		P	requires rifle; move action to attach/remove
dire staff	100 vp	2d6	3d6	x2	—	50 lbs.		B
lance (槊)
ranseur (樘)	10 vp	1d6	2d4	2d6	×3	10 ft.	12 lbs.	P	disarm, reach
tepoztopilli (metal spear)	8 vp					20 ft.	6 lbs.	P or S	reach

Ranged weapons (one-handed)

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Misfire	Capacity	Weight	Type	Special
harpoon	5 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	x3	10 ft.	—	—	16 lbs.	P	grapple
pepperbox*	750 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	×4	20 ft.	1–2 (5 ft.)	6	5 lbs.	B and P	—
pistol*	250 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	×4	20 ft.	1 (5 ft.)	1	4 lbs.	B and P	—
pistol, coat*	188 vp	1d3	1d4	1d6	×3	10 ft.	1 (5 ft.)	1	1 lb.	B and P	—
pistol, dagger*	185 vp	1d3	1d4	1d6	×3	10 ft.	1 (5 ft.)	1	1 lb.	B and P	—
pistol, double-barreled*	438 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	×4	20 ft.	1–2 (5 ft.)	2	5 lbs.	B and P	—
pistol, dragon*	250 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	×4	20 ft.	1–2 (5 ft.)	1	3 lbs.	B and P	scatter
pistol, sword cane	194 vp vp	1d2	1d3	1d4	×3	10 ft.	1 (5 ft.)	1	1 lb.	B and P	-
tomahawk, steel	8 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	×2	10 ft.	2 lbs.	S	—
tomahawk, stone

*See Firearm Rules

Ranged weapons (two-handed)

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Misfire	Capacity	Weight	Type	Special
blunderbuss*	500 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	×2	special	1–2 (10 ft.)	1	8 lbs.	B and P	scatter
culverin*	1,000 vp	2d6	2d8	3d8	×4	30 ft.	1 (10 ft.)	1	40 lbs.	B and P	scatter
double hackbut*	1,000 vp	2d10	2d12		×4	50 ft.	1–2 (5 ft.)	2	18 lbs.	B and P	—
fire lance*	6 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	×4	10 ft.	1–4 (5 ft.)	1	4 lbs.	P	—
longbow	75 vp	1d6	1d8		x3	100 ft.	3 lbs.	P	-
longbow, composite	100 vp	1d6	1d8		x3	110 ft.	3 lbs.	P	-
musket*	375 vp	1d10	1d12		×4	40 ft.	1–2 (5 ft.)	1	9 lbs.	B and P	—
musket, axe*	400 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	×4	30 ft.	1–2 (5 ft.)	1	6 lbs.	B and P	—
musket, double-barreled*	625 vp	1d10	1d12	×4	10	40 ft.	1–3 (5 ft.)	2	11 lbs.	B and P	—
musket, Cahokian*	400 vp	1d6	1d8	3d8	×4	30 ft.	1–2 (5 ft.)	1	6 lbs.	B or P	stock can be used as a warhammer
shortbow	30 vp	1d4	1d6		x3	60 ft.	2 lbs.	P
shortbow, composite	75 vp	1d4	1d6		x3	70 ft.	2 lbs.	P

*See Firearm Rules

Ammunition

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Misfire	Capacity	Weight	Type	Special
arrows, barbed (20)	10 vp	—	—	—	—	3 lbs.	P	—
arrows, bleeding (20)	360 vp	see text	see text	see text	see text	see text	see text	see text	see text	see text	see text
arrows, blunt (20)	2 vp	—	—	—	—	3 lbs.	B	see text
arrows, bone/ivoryivory (20)
arrows, porcupine-quillporcupine-quill (20)	0.5 vp	1d2	1d3	1d4							DC 10 Heal check to remove w/o causing further damage; see dire porcupine
arrows, flintflint (20)
arrows, iron-headed (20)
arrows, obsidian (20)					18-19/x3						fragile
crossbow bolts (20)

Cultural Weapons
Characters who do not possess the Culture(s) listed for the weapon treat that weapon as "exotic".
Characters who do possess the Culture(s) listed for the weapon treat that weapon as "martial".

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Unarmed Attacks

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special	Culture
quivering palm										Chinese

Light Melee Weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special	Culture
dagger, swordbreaker	10 vp	1d3	1d4	1d6	×2	—	3 lbs.	S	disarm, sunder	European

One-handed melee weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special	Culture
bullwhip	1 vp	1d2	1d3	1d4	×2	—	2 lbs.	S	disarm, nonlethal, reach, trip	Chinese, European
hammer (chúi, 錘)										Chinese
macuahuitl (obsidian-toothed sword)	5 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	18-20/×3	—	2 lbs.	S	blades are fragile	any Mesovespuccian
macuahuitl, steel	20 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	19-20/×2	—	4 lbs.	S	—	Aztlan
sword, dueling	20 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	19-20/×2	—	3 lbs	S	—	European
sword, hook (fu tao, 鉤)									disarm, distracting, reach (when linked), monk, trip	Chinese
sword, straight (jian, 劍)										Chinese

Two-handed melee weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special	Culture
axe, boarding	6 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	x3	—	3 lbs.	P or S	see text	Chinese, European
battle-axe, Chinese										Chinese
battle-axe, Norsq									disarm, grab, sunder, trip	Norsq
bladed scarf	2 vp	1d4	1d6	1d8	×2	—	2 lbs.	S	disarm, trip	Chinese
glaive (guan dao, 偃月刀)	8 vp	1d8	1d10	2d8	x3	—	10 lbs.	S	reach	Chinese
halberd (ji, 戟)										Chinese
hammer, meteor (liu xing, 流星)	10 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	×2	—	10 lbs.	B	reach, trip	Chinese
trident (叉)	15 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	×2	10 ft.	4 lbs.	P	brace	Chinese

Ranged weapons

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special	Culture
Atlatl (javelin-thrower)	4 vp	1d2	1d3	1d4	x2	—	2 lbs.	B	improvised weapon (–4 to attack rolls)	any Mesovespuccian
- Atlatl dart	1 vp	2d4	2d6	3d6	x2	60 ft.	2 lbs.	P	armor-piercing
crossbow, Cahokian										Native (Cahokian League)
crossbow, Chinese										Chinese
crossbow, European										European
lasso	1 sp	—	—		—	—	5 lbs.	—	see text	European
Nest of Bees										Chinese
Tube Arrow-Shooter						40 ft.			see text	Chinese
whip, nine-section (jiujiebian, 九節鞭)	8 vp	1d6	1d8	2d6	19–20/×2	—	3 lbs.	B	blocking, distracting, monk, trip	Chinese

Ammunition

Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special	Culture
- arrows, tube (bamboo)		1d3	1d4		x2			P	launched by tube arrow-shooter

[SuperDave]

Magical Equipment

Apparel

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Name	Price	Weight	Special
björnsark ("bear-shirt")			Rage +3 rounds/day
ghost shirt			+8 deflection against firearms
headband, dead man's	3,600 gp	1 lb.	+2 Intimidate, increases DC of fear effects by+1
mukluks of ice- and snow-walking			walk on ice or snow as easily as solid ground
parka of warmth			DR 10 against cold
robe, thunderbird feather			grants endure elements while worn
sealskin of water-breathing			grants water breathing and immunity to cold while worn
shirt of wampum			DR 20/enchanted arrows
storm poncho	8 vp	2 lbs.	remain dry for up to 40 rounds
wig, judge's	59,200 vp	—	+4 Diplomacy and Intimidate; discern lies at will

Cursed Items

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Name	Price	Weight	Curse
fingerbone necklace
juju bag
mask, prisoner’s (iron)			haunted
shrunken head
voodoo doll
warrior-fetish doll, Zuni	100 vp	10 lbs.	see text

Potions & Oils

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gris-gris powder
zombi powder
oil of Mishe-Nahma

Jewelry & Accessories

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Name	Price	Weight	Effect
ear-gauge
k'eet'aan (prayer-stick)
medicine bag		10 lbs.	see text
medicine bundle
medicine rattle		1 lb	diagnose disease 3/day
nose-cap, jade
ring, finger
ring, lip
ring, nose

Vehicles

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Name	Price	Weight	Speed (squares/turn)	Speed miles/hour)	Special
Canoe of Nanabozho					Telepathic steering, perfect maneuverability
Canoe of Glooskap					Flight
The Courser (Capt. Alfred Bulltop Stormalong)
Loo Taas ("Wave-Eater")
Niithoq ("Níðhöggr")
The Orca
The Sisiutl
Treasure-Ship of Admiral Zheng He

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Note: We totally need to have a Fúsāngese treasure-ship that’s been captured and tricked-out with Native paraphernalia (totem-pole masts, a sisiutl figurehead, etc.) by Haida raiders (they've been called “the Vikings of the Pacific Northwest”). They were known to capture British ships in 1800s, on occasion.

[SuperDave]

Magical Weaponry, Armor, & Artifacts

Armor & Shields

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Name	Price	Armor/Shield Bonus	Max Dex Bonus	Armor Check Penalty	Arcane Spell Failure Chance	Speed (30 ft./20 ft.)	Weight	Special
Enchanted Eelskin	11,160 vp	+2	+6	0	10%	30 ft./20 ft.	15 lbs.	Grants Swim speed 30 ft.; shadow property while underwater; see text
Murderer's Blackcloth	12,405 vp	+1	+8	0	5%	30 ft./20 ft.	10 lbs	Increases the bleed damage of the rogue's sneak attacks by +1
Jungle Armor	3,900 vp	+1					20 lbs	+5 Stealth in jungles, counts as a plant, endure elements in hot climates
Mammoth Hide	11,665 vp	+3		–1			25 lbs	grants an additional 4d6 points of damage on any successful charge attack
Scouting Leather	8,750 vp	+1					15 lbs	expeditious, glamered leather armor, grants +3 Stealth and +3 Diplomacy (see text)
Soothsayer's Raiment	10,300 vp	+6	+2	–5	30%	20 ft./15 ft.	40 lbs.	see text
Tiger's Hide	54,115 vp	+4	+4	–3	20%	20 ft./15 ft.	25 lbs.	DR 5/— against natural weapon attacks; wearer can pounce (first round only)

Artifacts, Major

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Name	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
Blowguns of the Hero Twins
Canoe of Glooskap								limited flight?
Durendal								+5 sacred bonus against evil creatures, split mountains in half
Excalibur
Harpoon of Kivioq the Hunter
Kokopelli’s Flute
Longbow of Yi the Archer
Minjekahwun								mittens of giant's strength?
Mjölnir
Puggawaugun								"it could split the rocks asunder"
Reed-Flute of Chibiabos								summons (or banishes) spirits and ghosts when played
Ruyi Jingu Bang								extends and changes size at will
Sword Kladenets								smite evil creatures (?)

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Name	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
Caliburn								bonus to leadership and/or diplomacy? scabbard grants DR?
Hrunting								giant-bane
Philosopher's Stone								see text
Runescarred Dragonship	—	—	—	—
Tizona								+5 sacred bonus against unbelievers, but useless against believers

Magical Flavor Treasure & Trade-Goods

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Name	Price	Weight	Special
antler, uktena
feathers, thunderbird
feathers, uktena
horn, kirin
horn, unicorn
forehead-jewel, money toad
moulted snakeskin, uktena
scale, uktena	1 vp	—
scale, mishipeshu	0.5 vp	—

Weaponry

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Name	Price	Dmg (S)	Dmg (M)	Dmg (L)	Critical	Range	Weight	Type	Special
arrows, elf-shot/Pukwudgie								P	inflicts sickness (Fort DC ?? to resist)
arrows, lightning
arrows, rainbow								P	overcomes DR of evil creatures (?)
arrows, thundering	50 vp	—	—	—	—	—	0.5 lbs	B	deafens nearby creatures for 1 hour
Beaststrike Club	7,300 vp						3 lbs.	B or P or S	see text
Boulderhead War-Club	6,812 vp						8 lbs.	B	see text
Fire-Devil's Pistol	20,300 vp						4 lbs.		+1 flaming pistol
Hammer of Thunderbolts							15 lbs.	B	+3 Large returning warhammer; see text
harpoon, returning
harpoon, heart-seeking
Hurricane Quarterstaff	7,840 vp						4 lbs.
lasso, rattlesnake	35 vp	1d2 plus poison	1d3 plus poison	1d4 plus poison	—	—	5 lbs.	B and P	constrict damage plus black adder venom
Runefrost Hatchet	5,312 vp						6 lbs.
Sadist's Lash	22,301 vp						1 lb.
Seraphic Pistol	37,550 vp						5 lbs.
Sizzling Arrow	1,516 vp						—		+1 corrosive arrow 1d6 acid for 3 rounds, DC 10 Heal check to remove
Skyrocket Crossbow	10,400 vp						2 lbs.		+1 distance hand crossbow
Slaying Arrow	2,282 vp						1/10 lb.

Wondrous Objects

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Name	Price	Weight	Special
buffalo stone		1 lb.	summon bison herd, or know direction of nearest bison herd, 3/day
crystal ball	varies	7 lbs.	as with the spell scrying (Will DC 16 negates)
dreamcatcher	4,500 vp	—	protects a sleeper from nightmares and influenced dreams, both mundane and magical
obsidian mirror
Runescarred Dragonship
Ulun'suti (uktena forehead-jewel)
War Paint of the Terrible Visage

[TheWombatOfDoom]

I can see how this got too big for its britches...

I follow a lot of you threads, and may I just say how much I appreciate your thorough and well made lists? I really admire your work in this project. That said, I haven't gotten through the whole thing yet, so as of now, that's all I've got input wise.

[SuperDave]

Why, thank you, TheWombatOfDoom! Anal-retentive attention to detail and obsessive list-making are two of my specialties. And now they've finally turned out to be useful for a change!

[Admiral Squish]

The list looks great, bro! My only comment is that there are some things under the 'major artifacts' spoiler that aren't weapons, and should probably be given a spoiler under magic items. Like, kokopelli's flute, or glooskap's canoe.

[Pokonic]

Under the Weaponry list, you could probably add Elf-Shot as a Arrow type. Might cause Wis damage on a save(?).

[Iceforge]

Minor error: under mundane weaponry, you forgot to include an empty box for price for slap, punch and kick, resulting in the price column displaying small characters damage, and every other column afterwards being 1 off

[SuperDave]

The list looks great, bro! My only comment is that there are some things under the 'major artifacts' spoiler that aren't weapons, and should probably be given a spoiler under magic items. Like, kokopelli's flute, or glooskap's canoe.

So maybe we should have one section for "major artifacts" and another for "major artifacts (weapons)"?

Minor error: under mundane weaponry, you forgot to include an empty box for price for slap, punch and kick, resulting in the price column displaying small characters damage, and every other column afterwards being 1 off

Fixed. Thanks for letting me know!

I realize that there are a variety of minor formatting issues with several parts; I'll try to get to them as soon as I can.

Under the Weaponry list, you could probably add Elf-Shot as a Arrow type. Might cause Wis damage on a save(?).

...but our setting doesn't have elves. What else could we call it?



By the way, I've decided that making a weapon out of obsidian should increase the weapon's critical threat-range to "18-20", and the critical damage to "x3". I feel that the official Pathfinder rules for obsidian don't really cover how incredibly sharp it is, or how dangerous it can be.

Oh, and I just realized that since the Tuniit are Large humanoids, I'll need to add a column to all the weaponry sections for "Dmg (L)". I hope doing so doesn't mess up the formatting...

[Pokonic]

...but our setting doesn't have elves. What else could we call it?

But we do have fey creatures, at least in the backround, and even if there's no DnD elves running around the term would probably be used to discribe any sort of little fey creature. And Elf-Shot is an actual term that discribes the idea that illnesses were caused by the bows of faries to make people sick.

[SuperDave]

But we do have fey creatures, at least in the backround, and even if there's no DnD elves running around the term would probably be used to discribe any sort of little fey creature. And Elf-Shot is an actual term that discribes the idea that illnesses were caused by the bows of faries to make people sick.

Fair enough at that. And now that I think of it, I do remember hearing something about Pukwudgies shooting invisible arrows that were either poisoned, made people sick, or made them die. Into the list they go!

I've filed them under Magical Weaponry as "arrows, elf-shot/Pukwudgie". Any suggestions on price, damage, and how to determine which diseases they cause? Would they cost more if they inflict worse diseases?

Edit: I'm told that an atlatl "can easily deliver 200 times as much power and 6 times the range as a dart thrown like a traditional spear".

The rules say the following, with regard to atlatls:
{TABLE=HEAD]Name|Cost|Dmg (S)|Dmg (M)|Critical|Range|Weight|Type|Special
Atlatl|2 gp|—|—|—|50 ft.|2 lbs.|—|—
- Atlatl dart|1 gp|1d4|1d6|x2|—|2 lbs.|P|—
[/TABLE]

This seems pretty lame, compared to the damage they can actually do. The Conquistadors were quite dismayed when they learned that Aztec atlatls could launch darts powerfully enough to pierce their steel breastplates (source).

[zabbarot]

So a few things for right now. First Bronze is actually tougher than wrought iron. Iron is just easier to get and refine so it replaced it mostly because of availability. Steel is definitely stronger than both though. Just as a technical point I don't feel like bronze should be tagged with Fragile is wrought iron isn't.

The atlatl would have likely been improved since the 1500s if nothing else. I found a bit about tests being done on a similar spear thrower for Napoleon's army which came to the conclusion that a javelin which could be thrown 20m unaided could be thrown 80m with such an implement. Weapons can be fired a max of 10 range increments in 3.5 is this different in Pathfinder? At most I would say reword it so that an Atlatl throws regular spears or javelins, increase the range increment to 100, and specify that feats like Power Throw work with the Atlatl. Not sure what ranged feats could or should work with it, but if any make sense we should probably make sure they're worded properly for that. Basically it's the same as throwing a spear, but with much longer range so overall it's better than a bow for a strong character.

Last thing for now, Squish brought up Obsidian in the other thread and I figured it'd be better to discuss it here.

... Magic to grant the blade some more structural integrity, and now we have weapons made entirely of obsidian...

So magically strengthened obsidian? Somebody linked something somewhere about how obsidian has a monomolecular edge, meaning the cutting edge is only the width of a molecule. Really really impressive. I almost want to say that a magic sword of pure obsidian be a Specific Weapon, like Flamebrand or the Holy Avenger, and always be Vorpal. That could be a bit much though. As a material an improved crit range might make it a bit like Khaorite(sp?) which increases the crit modifier of any weapon made of it to x4. It requires an Exotic Weapon Proficiency to use though.

Idea: We could add an enchantment for Fragile materials that makes them self repairing.

[Agent 451]

SuperDave, you have no idea how happy it makes me to see the atlatl range listed at x6 normal, and actually increasing damage! So you know, making it actually useful.

That's one thing that has always riled me with atlatl depictions in 3.5. I mean, if an untrained individual such as myself can use an atlatl to fling a javelin ~60 meters, I'm pretty sure someone trained in its use could not only do better than that, but also completely skewer a bison with it.

[Admiral Squish]

SuperDave, you have no idea how happy it makes me to see the atlatl range listed at x6 normal, and actually increasing damage! So you know, making it actually useful.

That's one thing that has always riled me with atlatl depictions in 3.5. I mean, if an untrained individual such as myself can use an atlatl to fling a javelin ~60 meters, I'm pretty sure someone trained in its use could not only do better than that, but also completely skewer a bison with it.

Actually, looking at that, there's some problems. For one, dealing 4d6 damage with each attack seems a little unbalanced. Also, is it straight multiplication of everything, including the strength bonus, enhancement bonus, and all that? Or just the base damage? Also, 6x normal range on a javelin means one range increment is 180 feet (this is the range you can fire on an enemy without taking range penalties), for a total maximum range of 900 feet.

I would highly suggest making it so an atlatl works kinda like a bow. Javeleins become ammunition for the weapon. An atlatl deals 2d6 base damage, and has a range increment of 60 feet. The atlatl imparts it's magic abilities to the javelin ammunition (until the end of the turn), the same way a bow passes it's enchantments to the arrows it fires.

[SuperDave]

First Bronze is actually tougher than wrought iron.

Well I'll be darned. Bronze is harder than iron! I guess I'll have to fix that. Does anyone know where I can find the stats for regular ol' steel, so that I know how hard, comparatively, to make bronze?

The atlatl would have likely been improved since the 1500s if nothing else. [...] a javelin which could be thrown 20m unaided could be thrown 80m with such an implement.

I like it, though I think that making it more effective would also require making it more expensive. So how does this sound?

{TABLE=HEAD]Name|Cost|Dmg (S)|Dmg (M)|Critical|Range|Weight|Type|Special
Atlatl (javelin-thrower)|4 vp|1d2|1d3|x2|—|2 lbs.|B|—
- Atlatl dart|1 vp|2d4|2d6|x2|60 ft.|2 lbs.|P|armor-piercing (?)
[/TABLE]
An enchanted atlatl imparts its enchantment to any darts launched from it until the end of the wielder's turn. For atlatl darts thrown by hand, use damage and range for javelin instead.

Weapons can be fired a max of 10 range increments in 3.5 is this different in Pathfinder?

The PFRD says "The maximum range for a thrown weapon is five range increments. For projectile weapons, it is 10 range increments." The question is, does an atlatl dart count as a thrown weapon, or a projectile weapon? I'm leaning more towards the latter, since the increase in power and range is so much greater than simple thrown weapons.

At most I would say reword it so that an Atlatl throws regular spears or javelins, increase the range increment to 100, and specify that feats like Power Throw work with the Atlatl. [...] Basically it's the same as throwing a spear, but with much longer range so overall it's better than a bow for a strong character.

I think I read somewhere that atlatl darts need fletching in order to be thrown accurately, but their effect on flight is probably more nitpicky than we care to get. I'm fine with using javelin stats for atlatl darts.
I can't find an entry in the SRD for "Power Throw", but I assume it's basically like Power Attack but for ranged attacks?

So magically strengthened obsidian? *snip* I almost want to say that a magic sword of pure obsidian be a Specific Weapon, like Flamebrand or the Holy Avenger, and always be Vorpal. That could be a bit much though. As a material an improved crit range might make it a bit like Khaorite(sp?) which increases the crit modifier of any weapon made of it to x4. It requires an Exotic Weapon Proficiency to use though.

Well, a x4 crit multiplier seems pretty high to me (especially when combined with the proposed 18-20 critical threat range for obsidian), but I'm willing to add it in if others say that they wouldn't be unreasonable together.
"Vorpal" would be an extremely appropriate feature of almost any Strengthened Obsidian weapon. We could specify that "any edged weapon made from Strengthened Obsidian loses the fragile quality and gains the vorpal quality." What would be the substance's modified Hardness and HP/inch?

SuperDave, you have no idea how happy it makes me to see the atlatl range listed at x6 normal, and actually increasing damage! So you know, making it actually useful.

Why, thank you, Agent 451! I'm glad that you approve of the stats I've cooked up, since you seem to have firsthand experience with atlatls. Are you part of a group that uses them regularly?

Your comment about atlatls being underrated in 3.5/Pathfinder actually brings up something I've been wondering about recently. Almost all Native weapons are stuck with the fragile quality (in addition to having pretty poor damage in the first place), just by virtue of being Stone Age Weapons. This means that anyone playing a Native character is going to be at a marked disadvantage against Chinese and European characters right off the bat.
Do we want to make Native weapons harder, stronger, and more damaging than they are in the official Pathfinder rules? We could explain away the increased damage and range with "magic!" (i.e., Natives are better at obtaining and shaping high-quality materials than they were in our own timeline), but it'd still cause some pretty big changes to combat. It would definitely help level the playing field between Natives and Colonists, but it might make the weapons harder to balance, and would definitely require a lot more play-testing on our part. What does everyone else think would be best/fairest here?

[zabbarot]

Does anyone know where I can find the stats for regular ol' steel, so that I know how hard, comparatively, to make bronze?

Steel has a hardness of 10. Since steel is harder than bronze the existing rules for bronze work(standard item HP and hardness 9). Drop Fragile though. I don't like Fragile, I'll explain further down. Also Cold Iron is as hard as steel in Pathfinder and 3.5 just because it's pseudo-magical, and only really included to fight fae.

{TABLE=HEAD]Name|Cost|Dmg (S)|Dmg (M)|Critical|Range|Weight|Type|Special
Atlatl (javelin-thrower)|4 vp|1d2|1d3|x2|—|2 lbs.|B|—
- Atlatl dart|1 vp|2d4|2d6|x2|60 ft.|2 lbs.|P|armor-piercing (?)
[/TABLE]

Looks good to me, even with armor piercing. Remember that they'll be adding Str bonus to damage, so this will hit pretty hard. Maybe drop the medium damage to 2d4 or a d10, so it isn't quite like lobbing a Greatsword 60 feet with perfect accuracy. Not that I don't think an Atlatl hurts, just seems a bit strong for balance.

Let's count it as a Ranged weapon. It's effectively a sling. It even uses the same basic principles.

Power throw might only be 3.5? It was in Complete Adventurer. And yes it was literally just Power Attack for thrown weapons. It had Brutal Throw as a prerequisite, which let you use Str instead of Dex for your attack roll with thrown weapons. I have to admit I'm not 100% on where Pathfinder differs from 3.5 sometimes, so I'm not sure what all feats moved over and which didn't.

Well, a x4 crit multiplier seems pretty high to me

It really is high. I only cited it since Kaorti Resin was an official source. I had spelled it wrong earlier, my bad. If it increased the crit multiplier of a weapon by one(ie x2 to x3) that might not be bad. - realized this is what you have obsidian doing already. We could keep it a lower cost material(compared to other special materials), and just have the improved durability be the buff. Your standard obsidian is pretty good.

The only downside to Vorpal is it's a +5 enhancement bonus. Meaning either it's a +5 for free, or these things are crazy expensive(minimum +6 weapons using usual rules for magic weapons). And 'magic' Obsidian should definitely lose fragile, it's magic after all We can make it similar to Alchemical Silver or Steel. Silver has hardness 8, steel has 10, both have standard item based HP. Useful Chart

Do we want to make Native weapons harder, stronger, and more damaging than they are in the official Pathfinder rules?

I feel like "Fragile" is a bit of an oversimplification on Paizo's part. It makes sense for a stone age axe to break against steel armor, since the axe head is likely bound to a stick with leather or sinew, and wood is only so strong. A quarterstaff should be just as likely to break though when you think of it that way. Also it doesn't make any sense to break your weapon on an unarmored opponent. That's just silly. The point of fragile was mostly just to make weapons from older eras weaker compared to newer ones(basically representing poorer craftsmanship), and I don't think we actually need it for the most part. Materials have hardness and hp so I think we can let the default sunder system take care of things. The only exception to this I can think of is obsidian, because it is glass. Hard glass, but still glass.

Another thing to consider in our setting is there will likely be a lot less armor. Steel plate does more to slow you down than it does to stop a bullet. So I really thing native weapons should be pretty comparable to their European counterparts.

[Agent 451]

Why, thank you, Agent 451! I'm glad that you approve of the stats I've cooked up, since you seem to have firsthand experience with atlatls. Are you part of a group that uses them regularly?

Unfortunately my firsthand experience was limited to a summer archaeological field school nigh on ten years ago. I do have some archaeology buddies that are enthusiasts though, to the point where they fashioned their own thrower and darts.

Those revisions still look good, a lot more balanced than before, but still making atlatls a viable choice.

The thing with archaic weapons is that even if they break, they are both easy and cheap to replace. I'm by no means an expert flintknapper, but I can knock off a really rudimentary point quite quickly, even using substandard lithic materials. And all that you really need in the case of an arrow or dart point is something that has sharp bladed edges, and thin profiles to aid in penetration. Not only that, but learning how to do basic (IE making sharp and pointy things) flintknapping is not difficult.

So in that case, if a broken atlatl dart just means that the stone projectile itself is fractured, it should be very easy to replace the point. A destroyed atlatl dart shaft would realistically take longer to replace, due to seasoning the wood, although in a pinch that could be skipped.

So that turned more into rambling than I intended, but like I said, the new stats look good. I also completely agree with zabbarot's post, fragile definitely is an oversimplification, and could probably just be done away with, except for untreated obsidian.

[SuperDave]

OK, I've fixed the atlatl dart stats. Should the atlatl itself be made weaker as a weapon, though? Swinging it at someone's head might damage it. Maybe the atlatl should just count as an improvised melee weapon (–4 penalty on attack rolls, scores a threat on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a critical).

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I feel like "Fragile" is a bit of an oversimplification on Paizo's part. It makes sense for a stone age axe to break against steel armor, since the axe head is likely bound to a stick with leather or sinew, and wood is only so strong. A quarterstaff should be just as likely to break though when you think of it that way. Also it doesn't make any sense to break your weapon on an unarmored opponent. That's just silly. The point of fragile was mostly just to make weapons from older eras weaker compared to newer ones(basically representing poorer craftsmanship), and I don't think we actually need it for the most part. Materials have hardness and hp so I think we can let the default sunder system take care of things. The only exception to this I can think of is obsidian, because it is glass. Hard glass, but still glass.

Another thing to consider in our setting is there will likely be a lot less armor. Steel plate does more to slow you down than it does to stop a bullet. So I really thing native weapons should be pretty comparable to their European counterparts.

With that in mind, I've removed the "fragile" quality from everything on the list except mundane obsidian weapons. Do we want to remove the "–2 on damage rolls (min. 1)" from bone and antler weapons as well? It seems reasonable that they couldn't hold as sharp an edge as metal or stone, but then again I'm not an antler-carver, so I wouldn't know. They probably shouldn't take any penalty to attack if they're used as bludgeoning weapons, though.

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A Note on Pricing:

Since we don't have a common currency in this setting like GP is for regular D&D, we're going to need to devote special attention to the prices and weights of trade goods, since they'll have a definite impact on how much loot the players can take with them. There's some disagreement about the GP-to-dollars conversion rate, and the closest thing I found to a consensus was someone saying that "Last time there was a thread on this it came to about $20 to $100 depending on the good. So around $50 [to the GP] give or take."

I found an article which states (to grossly oversimplify the entire point of the article) that "£750 in Massachusetts during 1750 is worth roughly $48,000 in 2000." Therefore, £1 in 1750 equals about $64.00 USD in 2010 dollars. (This is, of course, a complete stab in the dark, and could result in some seriously-flawed prices, but we've gotta start somewhere, right?)

If £1 in 1750 = $64, and 1GP = $50 today, then 1gp (very roughly) equals £1. Before the British decimalized their currency in the 1970s, there were twenty shillings in a pound, and twelve pennies in a shilling. For simplicity's sake, we can say that that 1 shilling is about 1sp, and 1 penny is about 1cp.

Well! Now that we've got a conversion rate established, we can take a look at relative prices for various goods in 1750 and make an educated guess about how much they're worth in gp! Does anyone know of a handy resource for finding the historical prices of various trade goods?

[Agent 451]

Not sure about dollar or pound pricing, but this pdf has a list of what various amounts of beaver pelts could get you, trade good-wise. Probably not at all what you're really looking for though.

This link has info about how much a typical pelt could fetch back in Europe.

[SuperDave]

Not sure about dollar or pound pricing, but this pdf has a list of what various amounts of beaver pelts could get you, trade good-wise. Probably not at all what you're really looking for though.

This link has info about how much a typical pelt could fetch back in Europe.

That actually helps a lot! The Pathfinder SRD lists the value as a beaver pelt at 2gp, so now that we have a basis for comparison, we can figure out how much other trade goods would be worth*. Thanks a ton!

*I realize that beaver pelts were worth less in 1750 than they were at the height of the fur trade in the late 1600s, but we're not going to get into that, because just thinking about how to account for it makes my head hurt.

[Agent 451]

You're quite welcome. Glad to hear that the information was useful to you!

[SuperDave]

I just added a "Dmg (L)" column to all the weapons, and fixed all the formatting errors caused by doing so. Now all I have to do is review the Tiny and Large Weapon Damage table and add those values to the various tables!

[Aux-Ash]

A Note on Pricing:

Since we don't have a common currency in this setting like GP is for regular D&D, we're going to need to devote special attention to the prices and weights of trade goods, since they'll have a definite impact on how much loot the players can take with them. There's some disagreement about the GP-to-dollars conversion rate, and the closest thing I found to a consensus was someone saying that "Last time there was a thread on this it came to about $20 to $100 depending on the good. So around $50 [to the GP] give or take."

I found an article which states (to grossly oversimplify the entire point of the article) that "£750 in Massachusetts during 1750 is worth roughly $48,000 in 2000." Therefore, £1 in 1750 equals about $64.00 USD in 2010 dollars. (This is, of course, a complete stab in the dark, and could result in some seriously-flawed prices, but we've gotta start somewhere, right?)

If £1 in 1750 = $64, and 1GP = $50 today, then 1gp (very roughly) equals £1. Before the British decimalized their currency in the 1970s, there were twenty shillings in a pound, and twelve pennies in a shilling. For simplicity's sake, we can say that that 1 shilling is about 1sp, and 1 penny is about 1cp.

Well! Now that we've got a conversion rate established, we can take a look at relative prices for various goods in 1750 and make an educated guess about how much they're worth in gp! Does anyone know of a handy resource for finding the historical prices of various trade goods?

In my, admittedly not very extensive, experience I find that trying to convert the value of older money to modern counterparts is a mistake. Because while it looks one get's a grasp of the value, it completely and utterly misses context. What good is to it know that one coin is equal to another when the conversion fails to tell you what the cost of living and a typical wage is... two points which have far more impact on value than conversion-rates have.

So instead I try to answer three questions:
What does a meal cost?
What is the rent for a typical family of five?
What is a normal wage?

With those three in place one can start figuring out the rest. It's not terribly uncommon for pricing to be listed in how long it took a typical farmer to earn enough to buy it, which is useful. It requires a bit more work, but I think the end result tends to be better.

And if you cannot find a price using that model, you can guess it based on how long it takes to make. It has to cover food and board for the period after all

[SuperDave]

In my, admittedly not very extensive, experience I find that trying to convert the value of older money to modern counterparts is a mistake. Because while it looks one get's a grasp of the value, it completely and utterly misses context. What good is to it know that one coin is equal to another when the conversion fails to tell you what the cost of living and a typical wage is... two points which have far more impact on value than conversion-rates have.

So instead I try to answer three questions:
What does a meal cost?
What is the rent for a typical family of five?
What is a normal wage?

With those three in place one can start figuring out the rest. It's not terribly uncommon for pricing to be listed in how long it took a typical farmer to earn enough to buy it, which is useful. It requires a bit more work, but I think the end result tends to be better.

And if you cannot find a price using that model, you can guess it based on how long it takes to make. It has to cover food and board for the period after all

Well, that's gonna require a lot more research on my part, but it'll ultimately result in more accurate pricing, I think. So that's what I'll do.

I guess I better get right to it. *rolls up sleeves*

Edit: Magical items are kind of difficult to categorize (some are very clearly weapons, while others are only weapons in a very indirect sense), but I just reorganized the Magical Equipment section into Armor & Shields, Major Artifacts, Minor Artifacts, Magical Flavor Treasure & Trade-Goods, Weaponry, and Wondrous Objects. I think it works better this way.

Can anyone think of more entries for magical trade-goods? If spells are inhibited outside Vespuccia, then the export of magical items will be almost as big a part of trade in this timeline as furs and pelts were in our own timeline. I imagine that Vespuccian spell-components, powerful Native artifacts, and Colonial-made magic weapons will be pretty hot commodities back in the Old World. Woodsmen and voyageurs will be driven to scour the wilderness, searching for anything magical that can fit in the hold of the next shipment of goods to Europe.

[SuperDave]

OK, I just realized that I haven't posted anything here in a while, and I'm sorry for that; I've been planning my honeymoon (which begins in about a week), and I haven't really had time to do as much research into the relative value of beaver pelts as I had planned.

Instead of adding more information, I'd like to pose a question: How will people in Vespuccia actually talk to each other about prices? It makes perfect sense for players and DMs to talk about Value Points or VP out-of-character, but if it's used in-character, it'll force people into some pretty clunky dialogue ("How dare you offer me four miserable Value Points for these exquisite, succulent grapes! They are clearly worth twelve VP, and not a point less!")

We could just go back to saying "GP, SP, and CP", but I kind of like the idea that "Value Points" could refer to any currency or bartering good. Maybe we could call the basic unit of value "a wampum" or "a cocoa bean", or some similar trade good? But then how would we refer to SP and CP? Maybe the normal D&D currency system should just be left in place, for simplicity's sake?

[TheWombatOfDoom]

OK, I just realized that I haven't posted anything here in a while, and I'm sorry for that; I've been planning my honeymoon (which begins in about a week), and I haven't really had time to do as much research into the relative value of beaver pelts as I had planned.

I'm sorry...but this statement made me start cracking up.

"I'm sorry I haven't gotten to research beaver pelt pricing, I've been planning my honeymoon that's happening next week."

Relax! We're all still here. Do what you can if you'd like, but worry about that honeymoon! Those things don't happen too often.

[zabbarot]

I laughed a bit too.

Seriously though, I figured that Value Points were an abstract thing to compare value of goods. So the players wouldn't have a pocket full of VP, they'd have a couple beaver hides and a good axe head that they were willing to trade for safe passage across a lake, or sell to British merchant for a few shillings.

Basically VP is abstract, PCs carry physical goods measures in VP, and these goods can include coin.

[SuperDave]

OK, I haven't made any progress on the beaver-pelt front, but I did just add damage for all Large weapons that we've got stats for, and I added a link to Dogsled Rules under the "Vehicles & Transportation" field. So that's something, right?