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    Default Re: Dysfunctional Rules X: I Cast Comprehend Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Gruftzwerg View Post
    and which part of the text indicates this for you?
    Already did it. At least two times.

    Regarding the "Escape from Grapple"
    We have specific rules that trump the general rules for escape from grapple.
    No. "Escape from Grapple" and "Escape the Pin" are different actions. Very similar, but clearly different. Or you have some part of the text indicates opposite for you?


    It's the same debate as in "can you trip someone who is already tripped?".
    What? Really, what??? Are you serious now?

    As such, you can't pin someone even further then he is already "pinned".
    You even didn't try to read carefully and understand my point, did you?

    We are talking about actions available for PINNED creature. Not one who pins, but one who is pinned.


    What we have is:
    - rules for standing grappling (standing as in the 3.5 rules)
    - rules for grounded grappling (grounded as in the 3.5 rules)
    There isn't different rules for standing and grounded grappling in D&D 3.5. Or you have some part of the text indicates opposite for you?

    The question or problem is, which kind of grounded grappling this is. Is it:
    (a) just both grappler at the ground, both in equal good/bad position.
    (b) both grapplers at the ground and one has the upper hand
    (c) both grapplers are at the ground, but one has a "full lock" on the other.
    "At the ground" is an unnecessary substance. There are no differences between "full lock" at the ground and "full lock" while standing. Both are the same pin.

    But RAW speak another language here.
    Rules about grapple and pin are poor written and can be interpreted in two ways. RAW is ambiguous here. Not "RAW sole adds options and restrict some, but not all other options" is clear and only possible reading. You for some reason like this interpretation and want to think it is sole true, but you are wrong.
    And while we have ambiguous wording we should use RAI. Especially since RAI is pretty clear stated by one of game designers.

    If you disagree, point me to the text phrase where you are basing of your interpretation please.
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