Quote Originally Posted by Amnestic View Post
If you're using SS/GWM, then you've probably sacrificed an ASI to get it, so you'll have, what, 16 main stat, +3 PB, so a total of +1 to your actual attack bonus once the -5 is taken off?

Yeah, it's a big payoff if you hit. If.
A thing to add to this because I have checked this math.*

We frequently compare rogue without feat investment to builds with GWM + PAM or the ranged equivalent.
But this leads to problems if we consider some fixes.

For example adding extra attack, this would make rogue go from one of the weaker options for damage at 5th level into the best - and having run those numbers it starts to beat out things like GWM/SS or PAM/XBE, notably without any feat investment.

And 5th would still be a low strength level for the rogue specificly.

*I can provide numbers when I have more time, if people are interested.