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2024-05-09, 07:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
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2024-05-10, 01:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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I dunno yet. Would you recommend any non-coffee drinks from Starbucks? Maybe I'll stop by and get a juice or something.
That makes sense. You get drunk and then, instead of throwing sharp things at a board, you mash some buttons instead. Probably way more fun.
Oh cool! I didn't know that. Didn't know that arcade games were still being made, too.
That's great. The sea will claim everything.
So what you two are saying is that I should never talk about the UK, cuz if I do I'm gonna get punched one day.
I wonder why they married. I feel like being enemies with benefits would work much better.
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2024-05-10, 05:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-10, 05:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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I like the strawberry acai lemonade. Don't go to often (i never drink coffee), but they have good fast food breakfast sandwiches - that's the drink I get off I grab breakfast from them.
Well, probably just the Irish. I'm going to very be very short here to keep things apolitical, but there's a joke that the greatest British achievement in understating things was the name "The Troubles".
I'll admit, your absolute resolution to defy the Gulf of Holland is impressive. In the next hundred years or two, Dutch technological advances may yet save us all.
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2024-05-10, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
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2024-05-10, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Most of which either shouldn't be linked behind a marriage(being able to visit your partner in a hospital) aren't locked behind marriage(being able to handle someone else's affairs) or shouldn't exist at all(spousal privilege is all kinds of bull**** when you think about it.)
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2024-05-10, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Another really compellingly done "toxic" marriage in my mind was one in Better Call Saul:
SpoilerJimmy and Kim. I like how Kim's suggestion of marriage is so that she never has to testify against Jimmy for his misdeeds...but she's not leaving. His illegal activity isn't a deal-breaker for her, but she doesn't propose marriage out of love (though they do clearly care about each other quite a lot), but rather out of practicality.
And in the last season, we finally see her other reasoning: she likes it. She enjoys the thrill of a con and she and Jimmy feed off each other. It's a terrible dynamic that they both enjoy quite a bit...until things finally go completely sideways with Howard.
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2024-05-10, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
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2024-05-10, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2024-05-10, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Abolishing marriage itself is a bit too far, but... In this day and age, marriage is just a piece of paper and maybe a fancy party.
Detaching some of the legal stuff that's gated behind it, either by removing it or else giving valid non-marriage ways to get it, would be a social good.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2024-05-10, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-10, 01:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Honestly I can see an argument for separating the legal aspects of marriage from the other elements of it. In fact it's been my preferred solution for a while, although not everybody agrees with my.
...okay my actual preferred solution is a lot more radical, but it would also piss off far too many people to be worth it. My last serious attempt at a fantasy setting had poly marriages as standard, although admittedly it was explicitly in a secluded corner of a larger world
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2024-05-10, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2024-05-10, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-10, 03:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
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2024-05-10, 05:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
So, my cousin's kid's first IEP meeting happened today.
He's been previously diagnosed with autism, but today his teachers—not psychiatrists, teachers, insisted that he also has ADHD and oppositional defiant disorder and wanted him medicated ASAP.
The kid is four. People who lack the qualifications to make this judgment want to put a four-year-old on what are essentially controlled doses of hard drugs because he won't sit still in a way that's convenient for them.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2024-05-10, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Actually, thinking about it makes it not all kinds of bull****.
I love BCS for so many reasons and yeah, that's one of them. They handled that relationship so well.
Yeah, i don't understand at all why gay people fought so hard to get married, those crazy kids! Years and years of fighting against institutional discrimination just for a piece of paper and a party. What a funny entire ****ing community working for decades.
Or, conversely, your ideas on marriage is horribly wrong. I dunno, could go either way, the odds are like 50/50
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2024-05-10, 06:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
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2024-05-10, 06:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Again, you can certainly believe whatever you want to believe about marriage, but i can tell you right now the entire gay community didn't work for decades trying to get something denied to them only because it was a symbol and unfair. They fought for it because of all the practical value that married couples get. It is not "just a piece of paper and maybe a fancy party". They fought for it because separate-but-equal is never actually equal. They didn't fight for the symbol. They fought for the rights.
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2024-05-10, 06:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Here's the thing: Almost all of the practical value in a marriage... 1: Is not exclusive to marriage 2: Should not be exclusive to marriage 3: Is something more and more people nowadays are opting out of anyways(such as comingling assets) or 4: Shouldn't exist in the first place (being the one and only familial relationship/contract that can be used to refuse to testify in court.)
I ain't saying abolish marriage. I'm saying the practical stuff should be divorced form what amounts to something ceremonial.Last edited by Rater202; 2024-05-10 at 06:29 PM.
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2024-05-10, 06:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Kids that age are generally little goblins of Chaos Undivided. I'd be more worried if they were sitting still.
If you ignore the meaningful bits everything is meaningless!
Being denied it for no valid reason is outrageous on principle.
No I don't want that telling match again, I'm just failing to be funny.
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2024-05-10, 06:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Your points 1, 2, 3, and 4 are all wrong.
Here's the thing. If you believe all that, then the solution is for you, specifically, to not get married. It is not for you to strip the rights and benefits of being married away from everyone else, especially those who fought for it to be legalized for them (eg interracial couples and LGBT+ couples).
The latter makes you the bad guy. You may not think it does, but it very much does. Let me be very clear on this - I have ZERO sympathy for anyone who thinks taking away the rights and priveleges of marriage for everyone (some of which can be recreated to various extents through other means, which will not recreate all of the benefits exactly, will not include other benefits at all, and will be more expensive, time-consuming, and complex) is all well and good just because they think it's "a piece of paper".
You want to think its a piece of paper, fine, you're perfectly free to not get it for yourself. You want to oppress others by stripping them of it? Hell no.
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2024-05-10, 06:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Marriage is a ceremony. The "meaningful bits" should not be gated behind a ceremony to begin with.
Like, real talk: Marriage started out as essentially an exchange of property. Over time it became more something of political or religious significance, but we can't get into that in detail here, and in the modern day in the Western world it's mostly symbolic with the practical benefits there off being things that honestly have no basis for being attached to one specific contract in the first place. It's a remnant of an earlier era when marriage meant something different.
If those practicalities are divorced from the ceremony, then there's no reason why a couple who have been living together for ten years needs to get married to be able to comingle their assets, visit each other in the hospital, or be able to handle each other's affairs in an emergency. The only reason to get married should be "do you want to get married?"
Edit: Peelee? When did I say anything about taking rights away from individuals? On the contrary, divorcing those practicalities from the marriage contract means that more people will have the right to get those practicalities.
Furthermore, laws can not be applied retroactively, so everyone who already has those things would not lose them if laws were passed divorcing marriage from such things. People who already have it would be grandfathered in.
The only I believe should be taken away is a spousal privilege because I don't believe that two people who robbed a bank in Reno should be able to get out of being compelled to testify against each other if arrested by stopping in Vegas on the way to their hideout and the only way to do that without making marriage harder to get for everyone is to abolish that privilege.Last edited by Rater202; 2024-05-10 at 06:46 PM.
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2024-05-10, 06:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
This just underscores your issue here. You are conflating marriage and wedding. A wedding is a ceremony. A wedding is immaterial to marriage. You can easily be married without a wedding, and it happens every day in virtually every courthouse in America, and other countries.
The vast majority of countries, both modern and historical, have understood the value in having special right and priveleges for marriage. Rater disagrees. Can you please consider, for just a moment, that when a massive chunk of the entire human race across various cultures says one thing and you say "pft, I don't think so", that just maybe you're the one who's wrong?
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2024-05-10, 06:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Irrespective of anything else, there are lots of practical reasons to have legalized standards for what happens to the property of the person you live with and comingle resources with should that situation ever change, as well as not forcing an intrinsically antagonistic relationship between two people who have little choice but to live together (ie testifying against each other).
Marriage isnt always a big wedding ceremony and whatever, there are plenty of ways and places to do it as literally just signing a contract already. People throw the parties and whatever because its exciting, not because its intrinsic to marriage.“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2024-05-10, 06:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
I am going to point out that you have missed my edit and be done with it.
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2024-05-10, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2024-05-10, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
I haven't, because despite what you think, that edit is wrong. Again, as already said, you cannot recreate all the rights and privileges of marriage without marriage. You can recreate some of them, can somewhat (but not fully) recreate others, and absolutely cannot recreate the rest. And even that is more expensive, time-consuming, and complex than marriage, without actually recreating the benefits identically. You've only made it harder and worse.
This is very simple. Your ideas on what marriage is are wrong.
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2024-05-10, 06:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Ionathus's Random Banter #249 -- Directionless Rambling Is Now Mandatory
Why not?
You're saying that you can't do it, but what intrinsic property of the marriage, which may I remind you is something humans made up, not an immutable property of the universe, presents its practical benefits from being realized by other relationships or other contracts?I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2024-05-10, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”