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2024-05-13, 10:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Yo dawg I heard you like totems
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2024-05-13, 10:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Where there's smoke there's... wait.....
Originally Posted by Those Who Fuel The Smokeless Fire Must Not Be Surprised When The Flames Consume ThemLast edited by The Viscount; 2024-05-13 at 10:30 PM.
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2024-05-13, 10:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Drow love a good backstab
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2024-05-13, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Here I thought Venger was the only person who liked using Ilmater
Originally Posted by Servaas, the HarmtakerKolyarut Avatar by Potatocubed.
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2024-05-13, 10:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Yo dawg I heard you like heightened emotional states in combat
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2024-05-13, 10:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Wouldn't want that meat to go to waste
Originally Posted by Queyven Dyrr, The Eater of ElvesKolyarut Avatar by Potatocubed.
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2024-05-13, 10:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
And here's the Chair's non-entry! Don't judge this one.
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2024-05-13, 10:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
That's our entries for the round! Judges, over to you!
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2024-05-14, 12:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Some really cool build right there, wp guys !
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2024-05-14, 04:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Do I spot a Silverwing reference, Viscount? My local library had those books when I was a kid!
Anyway, after some initial apprehension I quite enjoyed building for this round! My builds were built around some pretty surface-level interactions, but in both cases I realized some deeper combos woven in there as I fleshed them out, and I'm happy to see my ideas weren't so obvious others would duplicate them (all builds seem to be doing pretty different things, in fact). I'd love something with easier entry requirements next round, but kinslayer is unique even if it's not good and I felt like it had just enough merit for the right kind of build.
A few ideas of mine that didn't make it:
I realized Endurance could be obtained with a single-level dip via Death's Chosen (Libris Mortis) and had half a thought to spin some lore around Kiaransalee, but none of my other ideas could spare a level to make it work.
My most ridiculous idea was to use Savage Species' over-LAd mess of a Wraith template to synergize with this class specifically: you negate your crippling daylight weakness, Shameful Strike is fine if you're making a single touch attack per round, Smite is considerably more powerful if it adds to constitution rather than regular damage, the shapeshifting would cover up incorporealness as well as drowness... Of course, doing so would make Rage near-useless, which was very ugly.
An idea I had pretty early was to use Knight of the Lily from Dragonlance Campaign Setting. It gives Diehard at level 3, and the entry feat (Honor Bound) gives a bonus on saves to avoid breaking any vow we swear... arguably triggering whenever we're fighting elves thanks to our Vow of Vengeance and synergizing with Mettle to boot. The class gave Sneak Attack and some intimidate synergy as well, plus armor proficiencies if we didn't have those yet. Drow not actually existing in Dragonlance made me apprehensive to use it, though.
Noticing some prerequisite overlap, I thought about going Tattooed Monk 3 to get Diehard for free, along with the White Mask tattoo to cement an infiltrator role a bit better. I might've gone Deepwyrm Half-Drow and worked Disciple of the Eye in there for intimidation synergy, figuring that a humanoid fighting humanoids will often face lower-HD foes.
Still on a monk kick, I realized that being able to rage while lawful made a monk/kinslayer build a perfect fit for Frostrager, which requires IUS and Frozen Berserker for entry. The fluff would've been a tongue-in-cheek tale of a christmas elf rebelling against santa, only to be betrayed and cast out, causing him to swear vengeance on that jolly old archfey and all his minions. This was probably closest to becoming an actual submission, if only because I loved the flavor so much. I might work it out some more, just for fun.
Another idea was to just stack anti-elf bonuses, taking levels in Corrupt Avenger, Scar Enforcer, Foe Hunter, and of course Ranger to be the most over-specialized bonus stack ever.
And the last idea I had was to use Sohei, get Weapon Focus + Deflect Arrows (elves are archers, not?) + Diehard for free in the first 3 levels, then get Sohei casting advanced to the point where it yielded Shield Other to help trigger Vengeful Strike. However, it was only really worth it if I needed Weapon Focus somewhere, and unfortunately that didn't turn out to be the case.Last edited by Inevitability; 2024-05-14 at 04:12 AM.
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2024-05-14, 04:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Fan fact: you actually could enter Kinslayer at 2nd level with two flaws. I thought about full (not lesser) drow monk1/kinslayer 10/ranger 1/foe hunter 6. But it looks too boring for me.
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2024-05-14, 05:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Thinking about it again... you know what we saw surprisingly little of? Elder Evil worship - if there's ever been a PrC that calls for it, it's this one. I'm not disappointed, just surprised.
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2024-05-14, 07:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
I don't know that I've read the Silverwing books. I was just pulling from the base Aesop fable for the story. Here's something funny: In the early phases of the cooking process I considered adding a title like "Bishop of the Great Game" to indicate a sort of inflated sense of self and an allegiance to one of the dragons playing Xorvintaal, as putting an agent in the middle of a long-running war seemed like exactly the sort of convoluted mysterious thing they would do. I decided against it because I liked the punch of the descriptive word alone, thinking I'd work it in to the story at some point. When it came time to write the story, I completely forgot that aspect and only remembered after posting the reveal.
As for elder evil devotion, while it certainly is popular, the feats required for Kinslayer weren't reprinted in Elder Evils, so it would be an uphill battle trying to argue you can take Vile feats that aren't on the table.Last edited by The Viscount; 2024-05-14 at 07:56 PM.
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2024-05-14, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Yeah, I was really surprised that nobody repeated the same gimmick. I was definitely expecting that people would and I had a strong feeling that somebody would do the exact gimmick that I used. But I think it turned out pretty decently. All the builds were fairly interesting. I think I actually have a pretty good shot at this one. But given the quality of work that everybody put in that's definitely not a lock.
I was really surprised that we didn't see a Frenzied Berserker... I was really expecting that. Drow Kinslayer going mad and murdering people is really on-brand and it's a great way to get mileage out of rage that doesn't actually ever improve. I'm also surprised that nobody did anything with stacking Sickening Strike and things that induce Nauseated. Although maybe there's no actual way to make that work. A lot few martial initiators than you'd have expected for a pretty martial focused class as well. But really cool builds.My Avatar is Glimtwizzle, a Gnomish Fighter/Illusionist by Cuthalion.
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2024-05-17, 01:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Is anyone up for judging this round ? :)
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2024-05-23, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
Do we have a judge?
Anyway, so that this post has actual content, here's that santa-hating elf-slayer I thought about submitting:
SpoilerLE Half-Drow Decisive Strike Overwhelming Attack Invisible Fist Monk 2 / Half-Elf Paragon 1 / Human Paragon 2 / Kinslayer 4 / Frostrager 5 / Kinslayer +6
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1: Unspeakable Vow
1B: Improved Unarmed Strike
1B: Power Attack
2B: Improved Bull Rush
3: Vow of Vengeance
3B: Endurance
5B: Diehard
6: Darkstalker
9: Frozen Berserker
12: Shock Trooper
15: Snap Kick
18: Cometary Collision
The basic idea here is that you can be a monk/frostrager without having to get ex-monk as the usual barbarian dip would mandate. You end up with +17 BAB, bonus cold damage and a good unarmed die, cold immunity, and a decent flavorful link between Diehard and the frostrager entry requirement. Hide is a class skill during Frostrager levels thanks to human paragon, making the build an alright scout.
You can make a single unarmed attack, get a second one via Snap Kick, get another one via One-Two Punch, and then finish up with Rend, which means that you can kinda move + full attack every round (or deal double damage with Decisive Strike) and do the whole Shock Trooper ubercharging thing (with Invisible Fist covering the defense drop) without being reliant on pounce. Having this many attacks also makes Vow of Vengeance much better, Frostrager + Monk gives good fortitude saves for Mettle, Surge of Hate is nice when you can just charge t1, Smite Elves synergizes with Decisive Attack for double damage, Elf and Fey Bane benefit from our large number of reliable attacks per round, Shameful Strike is more justifiable because we give up less than half our damage by using it (as opposed to a normal full attacker who misses out on 3 out of 4 hits). Vengeful Strike dovetails with Cometary Collision, where you charge someone for a bunch of damage and then force them to attack you, boosting all of next turn's hits by +8 damage.
Of course, the build didn't really have uses for Disguise Heritage, Deny Elf Magic, or Lolth's Curse - I could maybe have spun some tale about polar days being 6 months long but my heart really wasn't in it.
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2024-05-23, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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I totally forgot about the table!
# Name Alignment / Race Class Levels Chef Total Place 1 Skarsh CE Half-Drow Unholy Fury Berserker Strength Jaguar Totem Wolf Totem Ape Torem Bear Totem Horse Totem Barbarian 5/Elf Soulborn 4/Half-Elf Paragon 1/Kinslayer 10 2 Those Who Fuel The Smokeless Fire Must Not Be Surprised When The Flames Consume Them NE Mirage Mullah Half-Drow Spirit Shaman 5/Half-Elf Paragon 2/Elemental Archon 1/Kinslayer 8 3 H'Tull Farkgallen ?E Lesser Drow Drow Rogue 7/Assassin 5/ Kinslayer 7 4 Servaas, the Harmtaker LE→LG Lesser Drow Knight 6/Martyred Champion of Ilmater 4/Kinslayer 10 5 Atred CE Deepwyrm Half-Drow Elf Ranger 3/Half-Elf Paragon 1/Kinslayer 10/Wildrunner 6 6 Queyven Dyrr, The Eater of Elves LE Half-Drow Decisive Strike Passive Way Monk 2/Hit-and-Run Fighter 1/Celestial Slayer Ranger 3/Kinslayer 10/Bear Warrior 1 7 The Mugwump NE Changeling Changeling Feat Rogue 1/Savant 2/Dragonfire Adept 4/Ruathar 3/Kinslayer 10 Last edited by loky1109; 2024-05-23 at 08:48 AM.
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2024-05-25, 01:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
So, I wasn't able to finish my submission due to a personal tragedy striking while I was still working on it, but I'll post what I had in case anyone finds it interesting. The entry is incomplete, and I wanted to revamp the skills and completely change the tactical breakdown for Pavel to something that offered more clarity. It's also still unsourced, and Dmitri's progression remains nearly completely unwritten.
But there you go, anyway.
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2024-05-25, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXXII
H_H_F_F, my sympathies for the personal matters - I wish you strength in these difficult times.
And on the topic of your build... I'm glad you shared your stub, because it's genius: the idea to advance a template class with legacy champion, the use of legacy weapons in themselves, the way you read Undeath... The idea to do something with Inured to Sunlight had occurred to me (as I mentioned, I played with the idea of the wraith template), but this is much better. I like the themed pair as well!Creator of the LA-assignment thread.
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