Avatar Battle Royale Discussion Thread XIX: To FAIL, or not to FAIL?

[DoomITP]

why not do like sildyu did with the blue guy, bind their souls to something.

THEN throw it in the incarnum.


It'd be kind of like an epic pokemon capture.


SHADES GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL!!

[Keris]

The Plane of Incarnum idea, as I understood it, was not to remove the Epic Battle™, but to have a solution to the Shades nasty manner of coming back from the dead.

As I saw it the "Epic Battle" in the previous plan consisted of "Have 3Shades get chased, then Leeroy poof them to Lying's Epic Portal^TM". That's not really Epic, nor a battle in the conventional sense.

So, according to my idea, Epic Battle™ happens, Shades is near finished and crosses the portal, never to be seen again. If Dekopin closed the door, maybe Salmon blinded the Shades and it blindly charged, bursting the door and permanently destroying them. Or something.

Go with this. Salmon and Shades fight, stab it in the eyes or something to blind it, it charges forwards, smashes though the door, and is gone for good. Then Dekopin fixes the door, and we all go home for tea, crumpets, and Future Imperfect.

[Lemming]

I can totally imagine Almighty wearing Ash's hat.
And after all, defeating doesn't mean killing them. So just incapacitate them and figure out a way to kill them later.
*When finished, please dispose of your shades in the proper waste receptacle. Thank you*

[Falgorn]

Where's this new thread? We're 14 pages ahead! That rhymes! I can make a rhyme anytime! I'm a poet and I didn't even know it!

[DoomITP]

To train them is his cause!!!!


Anyways, does anyone know where blind fayte is? I need to put him in a comic.

[Fawkes]

'ere we go.

*ahem*

NOTHING DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOODNIGHT!

[Lyinginbedmon]

He has the breathing device. Regardless, why not? He's not touching either low or high incarnum. Thus, no danger. The incarnum can't reach him due to the constant stream of nothing, stopping the incarnum from rushing in like air rushing into an airless room.

See, I think we're hitting against the Oddysseus VS the Cyclops issue. As in "Nobody poked my eye out!"

[Keris]

Anyways, does anyone know where blind fayte is? I need to put him in a comic.

Last I checked, he was outside the Shade's Fortress.

NOTHING DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY! GOODNIGHT!

DOUBLE NEGATIVES CONFUSE MORBO!

[Shades of Gray]

Sorry, been reading too many vintage comic books.

[Falgorn]

I was just rereading Rot's comic. Is the demon checking out her...area?

[Nameless]

Last I checked, he was outside the Shade's Fortress.



DOUBLE NEGATIVES CONFUSE MORBO!

Wasn't Skimmer using him as bate for fishing?

[The Gremlin]

I was just rereading Rot's comic. Is the demon checking out her...area?

Probably. He is a demon, you know. Probably Tanarri. They're literal personifications of sin.

As to the argument: Well, looks like I'm on my own again, so: compromise. Dammit. Alright, fine, a god can exist in the plane of Incarnum, despite the fact that technically, everything living, nonliving, undying, deathlessing, or immortalizing has something resembling a soul, and most likely made of Incarnum.
However, I draw the line at pizza.

[SinisterPenguin]

I have an idea about the Shades battle:

At the end of the battle, Almighty Salmon causes (by accident) the Shades to go through the portal, bursting the door and killing them. Igon can't close the portal, and it starts to pour Plane of Incarnum essence into the world, destroying everything in its path. Before fleeing, however, Igon manages to stabilise the portal a bit, massively slowing the Incarnum flow.

Essentially, Dekopin doomed Avbaroy by her actions.

So, basically, the flow of Incarnum will slowly expand and eventually destroy Avbaroy completely?

[The Gremlin]

So, basically, the flow of Incarnum will slowly expand and eventually destroy Avbaroy completely?

No, he stabilizes the portal. Perhaps that could be a subplot, though: A group of people sticking around to prevent the flow of Incarnum.

[Mad Mask]

Probably. He is a demon, you know. Probably Tanarri. They're literal personifications of sin.

As to the argument: Well, looks like I'm on my own again, so: compromise. Dammit. Alright, fine, a god can exist in the plane of Incarnum, despite the fact that technically, everything living, nonliving, undying, deathlessing, or immortalizing has something resembling a soul, and most likely made of Incarnum.
However, I draw the line at pizza.

Dekopin isn't actually in the Plane of Incarnum; it's only a clever illusion. [/wacky explanation for those who favour internal consistency]
And nothing except incarnum can survive on the Plane of Incarnum, not even rocks. That's why it is a featureless plane.

[Green-Shirt Q]

Alright. I know I'm not usually the voice of reason or anything, but all this arguing has got to stop.

The way I see it, both sides have valid points. Both sides are fine and dandy in my opinion but cancel each other out. In one corner: the view that we should use a portal to instantly kill the Shades and nothing can ever survive in this portal. In the other corner, we have the view that the final battle should be longer then that and that a insta-kill portal is just lain cheating. That is what I see.

I don't particularly care either way.

So here's two solutions as I see them:

1:the portal thingy never has existed. It is ret-conned and those comics are made non-canon. The whole "nothing can survive in this place" is forgotten and it all never happened.

OR.....

2:we let the battle end instantly but cooly in a way that wraps everything up.

Let's face it guys, there is no way to make a battle "Long and Epic enough". There has to be a final, sudden blow, particularly in these types of comics. Just a huge fight scene would be equally as anti-climatic as a portal-finish.

Either way, each option requires one side to give up for the better story. Obviously who gives up will be proven more mature.

[Mad Mask]

Thanks Q, but the matter has already been resolved, as it was only a misunderstanding. The Shades will be blinded at the end of the battle and charge into the portal, becoming permanently destroyed.

[Keris]

As to the argument: Well, looks like I'm on my own again, so: compromise. Dammit. Alright, fine, a god can exist in the plane of Incarnum, despite the fact that technically, everything living, nonliving, undying, deathlessing, or immortalizing has something resembling a soul, and most likely made of Incarnum.

See? Most likely made of Incarnum. Dekopin's isn't. And she's not a god as most inhabitants of Avbaroy understand them, she's utterly different from the beings worshipped in temples.

However, I draw the line at pizza.

The tasty line.

[Mad Mask]

Stop the arguing about the "Plane of Incarnum doesn't kill me über-leetz god character", please. We can simply justify it by saying Dekopin made a very clever illusion.

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[Lyinginbedmon]

Stop the arguing about the "Plane of Incarnum doesn't kill me über-leetz god character", please. We can simply justify it by saying Dekopin made a very clever illusion.

Or that she functions by different physical laws.

Either way, Dekopin makes the cut and we shut up about it.

[Keris]

Stop the arguing about the "Plane of Incarnum doesn't kill me über-leetz god character", please. We can simply justify it by saying Dekopin made a very clever illusion.

Well, if she's an "über-leetz god character", maybe I should just have her snap her fingers and have the Shades wink out of existence. Maybe I should have her grant god-powers back to Fayte again. Maybe I should have her wipe all traces of the Sovice from Avbaroy, and take out that fleet in orbit for good measure.
Or maybe I'll just have my character, who isn't part of any of your nonsense about "magic physics" do what I want and try and add a little of both humour and narrative to the plot.

And you want a justification? Fine. Dekopin hasn't created an illusion. She's maintaining a stable pocket of Incarnum within the plane, purely for the purpose of screwing with anyone who tries to open a portal there. Because that's what she does.
The pocket is partially maintained by the magic given off by the boundary layer between the Soft Incarnum within the pocket and the Heavy Incarnum outside, and the door is maintained by the same method.
Happy now? Does this fit with your "magic physics"?

[SinisterPenguin]

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Socks and Slauddor don't have their woolen socks!

[Falgorn]

If she's having a party, I should totally be there, because I am not only the life of the party, I am a portal traveler! A girl shouldn't eat pizza alone, am I right?

[Green-Shirt Q]

Thanks Q, but the matter has already been resolved, as it was only a misunderstanding. The Shades will be blinded at the end of the battle and charge into the portal, becoming permanently destroyed.

Oh. I guess I should've read the last couple pages.

In my defence, it sure looks like you guys are still fighting.

[Nameless]

Why doesn't Nameless just open up another portal? It is one of his specialities after all.

[Szilard]

How exactly did a Lich from SDSB get into FFF?

I have a faint idea, and I'll start making SDSB comics to explain it all.

[Mad Mask]

Why doesn't Nameless just open up another portal? It is one of his specialities after all.

Good idea Nameless, I'm making a comic about it right now.

[Falgorn]

Awww, you should include me! I want to be in plot, and as previously stated...many times, Falgorn's specialty is also portals. I'm bad at the comic-making, because Inscape hates me, with its crashing, and deleting, and what not.

[Keris]

Good idea Nameless, I'm making a comic about it right now.

...Why am I filled with dread? We are going to have the Salmon engage the shades in combat, right? And they're busting through the door, right?