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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
Wouldn't you have to fold the fourth dimension through the fifth?
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2009-05-31, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-31, 12:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
X and Y axises together form a plane, like the side of a piece of paper. Z makes it three-dimensional, which is the world we live in.
The fourth dimension is time, the "N" axis.
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2009-05-31, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
Not necessarily. See the tesseract, a 4 dimensional figure.
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2009-05-31, 12:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
Yeah, I know that time travel goes through the fourth, but the Plotaporter does not.
Maybe another way to explain this would be through webcomics.
- Webcomic RGB has a character with a plotaporter.
- Webcomic CYM has something a character is RGB would find useful.
- Both webcomics are occuring/being drawn/running at the same time.
To a reader, it would appear that RGB has jumped over to CYM (sometimes called a crossover). Breaking the fourth wall means the characters in the story/plot know that they are IN a story/plot of whatever medium it happens to be.
In our case, it just so happens that CYM (Plot 3) is ancient history to RGB (FFF).If you want a OotS style Touhou avatar, send me a request.
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2009-05-31, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
Isn't time the 6th?
I think universe is 7th, or something silly like that.
To be honest, the tesseract looks 3-D to me... It's really hard to visualize it being on a different plane/dimension, since the real world is only 3 dimensions (plus time, which can't be represented in more than one place at any given moment).The artist formerly known as Tired N' Drowzy, master of puns.
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2009-05-31, 12:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
No, time is not a spacial dimension. Hexeracts (6 dimension hypercubes) exist.
Did you read Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions ? It will help you imagine other dimensions.
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2009-05-31, 12:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-31, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
Just addressing a few points here, I can't be bothered to quote everything.
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Yeah, but Q said it wasn't time travel. Hence the orphaned continuity.
But P3 is in the past of FFF. Either he went back in time, or he went to a different continuity. And the participants of P3 aren't changing anything, they are defining it.
How so? It's not to scale, but I didn't think it would need to be.
Yeah, in this case the parallel universe is the Non-Canon P3 segment. It would actually have stuff before it, but it wouldn't lead on to another FFF, as he won't be affecting the future (as it's not time travel).
The deal with the Tesseract is that all the faces are on the outside. That's why it's 4D, not 3D, the drawing is a 3D representation.
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2009-05-31, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-31, 02:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-31, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
But P3 is not concurrent with FFF. While they are being written simultaneously, they actually exist in different points within the same timeline. One cannot travel between them without moving along this timeline, so for Q to have not done so, he cannot have moved to P3. Instead, he moved to a facsimile of P3, in which he made alterations to the course of things. These alterations do not affect the main continuity, because they are fundamentally separate.
Incidentally, here are a couple of things that Q's plotaportation screws up:
Spaceships. While it is assumed that P3 had space craft, they are intended to be a recent innovation, Fort Longcat being the pride of a nation, and one of the only space-faring craft. If spacecraft were common, then a substantial part of the population would be able to escape the Cataclysm, which didn't happen.
Making Szilard the Richest Person in the Whole Universe. Obviously, this is going to cause huge ramifications to the economy in P3, due to the sudden influx of currency. Szilard is also now has no reason to continue working as an investigator for House Haalu, which would write him out of the plot. He's also apparently gained detailed knowledge of Arcane Incarnations, who are mythological bogeymen in P3, and given a piece of technology magical abilities, despite P3 being a low magic setting.
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2009-05-31, 02:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
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2009-05-31, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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You know what, I'll just say that the Clown-headed plot teleporter is both non-canon AND canon, that's it's a completely unexplainable and unpredictable invention, it's &*%$#&*ed up and let's move the hell on. It's really unimportant, but it has already happened. Let's not try and explain every single goddamned thing and just have fun.
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2009-05-31, 03:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-31, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
It is canon for plot 3, but not history.
The clown-headed plot teleporter has already affected plot 3, but the plot teleporter considers it completely different to FFF and makes both things have nothing to do with eachother.
So basically the plot teleporter exists in every plot, but it doesn't effect the connection between them except that it sends characters between them.
Also, what a weird coincedence that neither of us seem to be online at the same time. Isn't that weird?AVATAR BATTLE ROYALE!
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2009-05-31, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Avatar Battle Royale-Discussion Thread XXI: We're a Big, Happy, Dysfunctional Fam
But P3 is not completely separate from FFF. It is a prequel, and part of the same continuity. That's what it was created to be, that's what it is.
If it's P3 canon, it's part of the history. If it's not P3 canon, it's not. That's why I said we should have it taking place in an orphaned segment of P3, as on diagram 4.
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2009-05-31, 03:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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it would be omni-helpful if everyone would just turn off invisibility move.
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2009-05-31, 04:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except it's not. At least not according to the guy who invented the clown-headed plot teleporter.
Apperently, everything stands on it's own. The only reason people in sequels remember anything from the first thing was because, when they were conjered into existance, they were given all the memories of the past thing. So, hypothetically, FI for example would stand on it own universe, and all the characters would just be clones given the memory of the past thing. Apperently the plots aren't actually in the same universe. Any connection was placed there to imitate a connection and coninuity is an illusion. According to this nut.
This theory, however, is the only way we can explain the invention. It moves, not to a different time, but to a different, completely unrealated universe. This universe is altered, because of the teleporter's involvement, but the future segments, being in another universe, aren't affected.
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2009-05-31, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ugh, my head hurts...
All this talk of dimensions on top of my math final from hell (It's a really frickin' hard takehome final)...
I don't like math anymore =( Algebra was so easy and straightforward, but now it's just proofs, memorizing obnoxious formulae, and proving trig identities It's not hard gradewise, but I honestly feel like I'm wasting my time prepping for the tests and forgetting the material.The artist formerly known as Tired N' Drowzy, master of puns.
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2009-05-31, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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According to the guy who invented P3, it is.
No, we can explain in a similar, but slightly different, method.
The destination plotline is not separate from the original, because that destroys any notion of continuity the sequel may have. And if we continue your premise to a logical conclusion, then each comic exists in a vacuum, and the plot falls down.
Instead, a separate, orphaned, plotline is created as you use the Plotaporter. It is called into being in a vacuum, like the plotlines you describe, but the original continues.
Got it? Good.
How... dare you.
It gets better later on. You can actually put those formulae to use.
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2009-05-31, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-05-31, 04:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Don't argue with me. Argue with the guy who invented the plot teleporter. I'm not arguing with you. He is.
Anyway, why do we even care?Last edited by Green-Shirt Q; 2009-05-31 at 04:37 PM.
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Maybe it's just because I knock down the nuts and bolts of continuity!
Anyway, the clown-headed plot teleporter explaination, while perhaps the stupidest, is the only one that makes sense. The only reason a prequel affects a sequel is because the character clones have been given the memory of the past adventure. This will be seen quite frequently in my backstory comic, and may even be fully explained.
[EDIT]Nope. Not me. A character named Dr. Diszdoff who will appear in one of my backstory comics.
And how could that possibly affect anything in P3 anymore? Q is gone and so is the plot teleporter. Everything is the same except Uncle Szilard is rich.Last edited by Green-Shirt Q; 2009-05-31 at 04:50 PM.
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