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2010-05-19, 08:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignment?
The title says it all. I can't find this in the SRD or in the DMG. anybody care to point out where this is?
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2010-05-19, 08:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
In the Monster Manual, I believe. "Always" means 99% of the time, Usually means like, 66%, and Often is at least 33%.
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2010-05-19, 08:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Okay thanks.
Hmm. My plan just might work.
Also, at least according to my copy it doesn't specify percentages. It says more than 50% for Usually, 40-50 for often and "There are exceptions but they're rare" for always.Last edited by Mystic Muse; 2010-05-19 at 08:36 PM.
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2010-05-19, 08:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Ah. I didn't actually look in the book for those numbers. Just a rough approximation that says essentially the same thing.
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2010-05-19, 08:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Yeah. You're right. However, there's one specific passage I'm interested in. It says an always x creature may come from a plane that predetermines their alignment. Would this mean that if the creature were taken off of that plane before they were born (such as with a tarterian dragon) would that affect their alignment or does being native to a plane automatically make you the same alignment as that plane?
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2010-05-19, 08:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Not nessicarily. After all, if fiends and the like had literally no ability to control their alignment, they'd default to neutral like animals, since they essentially lack moral capacity. They don't do evil for any reason, it's just what they do.
But since they AREN'T neutral, that means that free will is involved. Sure, they grow up in a culture that is utterly and unflinchingly evil, sure they have a genetic disposition towards it, but it would be possible for even a Pit Fiend to decide for whatever reason to be Chaotic Good. It's just almost unheard of, hence the "Always".Last edited by Drakevarg; 2010-05-19 at 08:57 PM.
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2010-05-19, 09:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Ah okay. Hmm. The only problem with my plan is trying to find a Pyroclastic dragon egg, hatching it, and passing the checks I'll need to. Oh yeah, and not attracting the wrath of mama and papa (I have very good reason for wanting a Pyroclastic dragon.)
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2010-05-19, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
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2010-05-19, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.
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2010-05-19, 09:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-19, 09:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Last edited by Greenish; 2010-05-19 at 09:09 PM.
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2010-05-19, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
"Moral capacity" is the exact wording used in the PHB to explain why all animals are True Neutral. Skeletons are evil because they literally RUN ON EVIL. They don't have moral values, its they just happen to be powered by the tears of orphans.
Besides, the only one you need to convince is the DM.Last edited by Drakevarg; 2010-05-19 at 09:08 PM.
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2010-05-19, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Last edited by Mystic Muse; 2010-05-19 at 09:14 PM.
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2010-05-19, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Last edited by Boci; 2010-05-19 at 09:15 PM.
"It doesn't matter how much you struggle or strive,
You'll never get out of life alive,
So please kill yourself and save this land,
And your last mission is to spread my command,"
Slightly adapted quote from X-Fusion, Please Kill Yourself
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2010-05-19, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
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2010-05-19, 09:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-19, 09:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Eh. Most I've talked to agree that negative energy isn't actually evil. Besides, a lich who is still powered by negative energy can be good aligned, and even be a paladin since it can have a good moral capacity. They aren't evil subtyped or anything like that implying they're powered by evil.
Animals aren't not evil because they don't have a moral capacity, but because they don't act in a good or evil way. They basically just are. They kill things too, but unlike a skeleton which kills to kill, they kill to survive.Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.
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2010-05-19, 09:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
'scept, y'know, animals DO murder. And fiends "basically just are", too, if they are literally incapable of being good-aligned. They don't act in a good or evil way, they just torture and kill and rape and conquer because that's just how they're made.
Now, if a fiend CAN be good-aligned, then it's more of a bias from their genetics/upbringing.Last edited by Drakevarg; 2010-05-19 at 09:23 PM.
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2010-05-19, 09:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
"You cannot be good without the ability to be evil." wish I could remember who said this. It works in reverse too.
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2010-05-19, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-19, 09:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
okay. Maybe I was wrong.
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2010-05-19, 09:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Now the trick is getting a n00bish DM to believe that such things mean that you can roll a LN Barbarian or a CN Paladin or what have you. It would open up so many more options...
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2010-05-19, 09:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
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2010-05-19, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-05-19, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
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2010-05-19, 11:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.
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2010-05-19, 11:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Last edited by Drakevarg; 2010-05-19 at 11:15 PM.
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2010-05-19, 11:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.
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2010-05-19, 11:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Last edited by Drakevarg; 2010-05-19 at 11:17 PM.
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2010-05-19, 11:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Where does it point out where always, often and usually mean in terms of alignmen
Where does it say that? All I can find is "always neutral" besides each of them, which doesn't mean always.
People also tend, on the whole to engage in more senseless violence and such than even an "evil" animal, hence the wider variation even though we're considered usually TN.Last edited by Yukitsu; 2010-05-19 at 11:19 PM.
Me: I'd get the paladin to help, but we might end up with a kid that believes in fairy tales.
DM: aye, and it's not like she's been saved by a mysterious little girl and a band of real live puppets from a bad man and worse step-sister to go live with the faries in the happy land.
Me: Yeah, a knight in shining armour might just bring her over the edge.