[Steam] Thread XIII: The World's #1 Forum-Themed Hat Acquisition Simulator

[Jibar]

Well, that sucks, because I really hate fighting those Big Daddies. Not in a wow-this-is-a-challenge sort of way, more in a seriously-this-is-just-a-hassle-and-now-I'm-a-dozen-medkits-down sort of way. I was kind of hoping I could live and let live--guess not.

I did have some success with proxy mines+all of my bullets, but I don't know that I can sustain that tactic.

That's why you want the Adam.
As you get further in the game, more and more tools and plasmids open up to make taking down Big Daddies easier and easier and much more fun and creative.
For example, once you grab the camera get taking photos as much as possible to net some free tonics, learn to hack good and you can use health stations to make every Big Daddy fight easily survivable. The amount of cash on a Big Daddy with always be enough to recompense you.
Oh, and a lot of people say Target Dummy is a fantastic plasmid, but I reckon Security Bullseye is better.

[Rutskarn]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, this suddenly pisses me off.

Why is it that killing Little Sisters is bad, and killing Big Daddies is A-OK? I mean, granted, I don't know all the backstory yet, but they sure seem to be in the same boat, and they don't attack me. Unless every Big Daddy is actually a convicted child molester or something, I'm not sure I'm comfortable dispatching them.

[Cogwheel]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, this suddenly pisses me off.

Why is it that killing Little Sisters is bad, and killing Big Daddies is A-OK? I mean, granted, I don't know all the backstory yet, but they sure seem to be in the same boat, and they don't attack me. Unless every Big Daddy is actually a convicted child molester or something, I'm not sure I'm comfortable dispatching them.

I think that's the idea. I certainly felt horrible being forced to fight them. That said, the whole moral angle in Bioshock is kinda shot. Try not to worry about it too much - the game has its good bits.

[Jibar]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, this suddenly pisses me off.

Why is it that killing Little Sisters is bad, and killing Big Daddies is A-OK? I mean, granted, I don't know all the backstory yet, but they sure seem to be in the same boat, and they don't attack me. Unless every Big Daddy is actually a convicted child molester or something, I'm not sure I'm comfortable dispatching them.

From how I see it, if you're evil you'd kill them anyway. If you're good, then they still aren't going to let you waltz up and rescue the Little Sisters. They're a part of the system that keeps the Little Sisters trapped in their monstrous states, and for them to be saved you're going to have to bust a few heads with some FISTFOLLALOITNING.

[Rutskarn]

The little sisters seem pretty happy, too, though--who says they need saving? Glowing eyes and bad skin don't mean you're in hell. Sure, they thank you for saving them, but I guess they just never really sold me on the whole you're-doing-teh-good angle.

Also, lol xcom fanart

[ZeroNumerous]

Okay, for the first one, kind of spoiler warning. Secondly, you don't really know that, going in.

If you think that's a spoiler, then I have another one for you: At the end of King King the monkey DIES.

The little sisters seem pretty happy, too, though--who says they need saving? Glowing eyes and bad skin don't mean you're in hell.

Saying more involves a spoiler, but I can put it this way: Would you want to live in Rapture after it breaks apart?

[onasuma]

Well, if you have bioshock 2, it becomes alot clearer that they need to be saved.

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At one stage you take control of one and see the world from their pespective.

[Imposter]

Just wait. Juuuust wait.
You'll come to need that Adam, and you'll come to need those Plasmids and Tonics.
At the start of the game you might think you're doing fine with just a wrench and a revolver but soon you'll need to be throwing bees like you're Winnie the Bloody Pooh and Adam becomes your Hunny.

Wait, really? Did you play a different game? Because the bioshock I remember wasn't especially challenging until you started getting more abilities and weapons. Then you became a drug induced massacre machine, capable of strolling through the opposition and generally being unkillable. It was fun, but more in a "kill enemies with their own hats" way than anything resembling difficulty. My personal favorite was skeet shooting, launching the enemies with that one whirlwind trap. Great fun whenever the ceiling is high enough.

On big daddies: I think the devs realized that, and tried to make a point of it right at the end. Pity that bit wasn't actually any fun. Note: Was that vague enough not to need spoiler tags? I'm not actually sure.

[Smiling-Jack]

I remember reading a blog a while back that said that 2k had a different idea for that end bit in bioshock:

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Basically after that big daddy bit you have to fight Fontaine, he has pretty normal health for a splicer, but your big daddy armour gives you loads of health as you transport little sisters into that escape pod thingy. If you kill Fontaine he just comes back in a vita chamber, if you die it goes to one of the endings. There are four: fill the pod up with sisters, leaving no room for yourself, meaning you die in rapture, Fill up the pod a bit, and leave with the sisters, escape on your own or die halfway through, leaving the sisters to die by fontaines hand. It's clever because it actually means that if your not skilled, you don't get the "big hero who defeats insurmountable odds", and actually flips the entire gameplay on it's head, instead of giving you a glorified boss fight and an ending that tastes of ashes in my mouth.

[Jibar]

Wait, really? Did you play a different game? Because the bioshock I remember wasn't especially challenging until you started getting more abilities and weapons. Then you became a drug induced massacre machine, capable of strolling through the opposition and generally being unkillable. It was fun, but more in a "kill enemies with their own hats" way than anything resembling difficulty. My personal favorite was skeet shooting, launching the enemies with that one whirlwind trap. Great fun whenever the ceiling is high enough.

I dunno how challenging the end game is meant to be, I'm just guessing. I turned into a Venus Fly Trap, Chameleoning in front of hacked turrets and cameras and the whole thing became a hilarious exercise in smacking people upside the head with a Super Sneak Attack Wrench.
Hell, I'm not even sure I ever shot a Big Daddy after the halfway mark. I just let Security Bots kill them all.

[Jahkaivah]

Well, that sucks, because I really hate fighting those Big Daddies. Not in a wow-this-is-a-challenge sort of way, more in a seriously-this-is-just-a-hassle-and-now-I'm-a-dozen-medkits-down sort of way. I was kind of hoping I could live and let live--guess not.

I did have some success with proxy mines+all of my bullets, but I don't know that I can sustain that tactic.

Spoken like a true parasite.





Don't mind Ryan, he's always been a bit grumpy. But seriously though would you kindly go kill some Big Daddies, because we're going to need that goddamned Adam!

[shadow_archmagi]

Hell, I'm not even sure I ever shot a Big Daddy after the halfway mark. I just let Security Bots kill them all.

It was pretty hilarious how Security Bullsye means that cameras will say "HEY A BIG DADDY COME KILL HIM GUNBOTS" and then the gunbots just swarm him for five minutes and he never feels any malice towards you.

[Jahkaivah]

It was pretty hilarious how Security Bullsye means that cameras will say "HEY A BIG DADDY COME KILL HIM GUNBOTS" and then the gunbots just swarm him for five minutes and he never feels any malice towards you.

At first I though you said Gunboats, I imagined a load of boots flying around trying to stamp the Big Daddy out.

[Byrnbot08]

At first I though you said Gunboats, I imagined a load of boots flying around trying to stamp the Big Daddy out.

And that would be supremely awesome.

[potatocubed]

The little sisters seem pretty happy, too, though--who says they need saving? Glowing eyes and bad skin don't mean you're in hell. Sure, they thank you for saving them, but I guess they just never really sold me on the whole you're-doing-teh-good angle.

Finish the game, get the good ending, and tell me it wasn't worth it.

[Player_Zero]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, this suddenly pisses me off.

Why is it that killing Little Sisters is bad, and killing Big Daddies is A-OK? I mean, granted, I don't know all the backstory yet, but they sure seem to be in the same boat, and they don't attack me. Unless every Big Daddy is actually a convicted child molester or something, I'm not sure I'm comfortable dispatching them.

Who said killing Big Daddies was fine?

Who said killing splicers was fine?

[Cogwheel]

So, tried UFO: Enemy Unknown.

First mission? Goes well. Very well. Was rather surprised, actually. I assume the report was something like this.

"Mister President, First contact has been made." "Oh? How did it go?" "Johnson shot it in the back of the head." "BOLLY."

He was promptly renamed to Johnson Hale, and has since soloed three sectoids with a pistol and nothing else. More stuff is on the way. Last mission took out two operatives, though. Fun times, thus far.

Question: How do I equip people with stuff?

[Neftren]

Bleh, I need to update my avatars. They're too small for Steam, and in the wrong format.

[Dread Cthulhu]

Hooray, I'm the nucleus!

[Neftren]

Hooray, I'm the nucleus!

LOL

I've been trying to get someone to redraw with higher resolution... meh.

[Myatar_Panwar]

I really hope JC2 gets a daily sale. Want so bad.

My prayers have been answered.

Hallelujah!

[Rutskarn]

Who said killing Big Daddies was fine?

Who said killing splicers was fine?

Atlas said. He wouldn't lie to me, would he? Would he?
(Yes, I already know.)
That one woman implied it, is what annoys me. She's all, "Oh, don't kill the little sisters, that's WRONG! Only kill the bigger male counterparts!" There's no real direct evidence that killing the Big Daddies is right, so I guess, if I'm playing a good character, my best bet is not to kill them at all.

As for the splicers, they've gone psychotic and murderous, so they're more acceptable targets. Besides, they're trying to kill you--you don't really have any other options except just plain curling up into a ball, and excepting practitioners of ahimsa, I don't think anybody would really call for that.

[Myatar_Panwar]

Not killing the big daddies means that you are not saving the little sisters, which I think is a far more noble endeavor.

[Volatar]

Well, I figured out why TF2 always took several minutes to load maps and at least 5 minutes to join a server. My TF2 files were fragmented to hell and back and then back to hell again.

This is Defraggler. It is pulling fragments from all over my hard drive. The yellow blocks are where it is pulling from:



Obviously its all over my hard drive. Which explains the slow load times.

I hope it will be screaming fast when its done defragmenting. I have gotten tired of the long load times as of late.

[Rutskarn]

Not killing the big daddies means that you are not saving the little sisters, which I think is a far more noble endeavor.

WHY? Why do the little sisters deserve to have good skin and non-glowy eyes at the expense of the lives of their caretakers? What does SAVING the little sisters even mean, anyway?

Think about it: a little girl has some kind of lifelong disease that, while she's able to operate and go about her business, makes life somewhat difficult for her. To cure this, you can beat her father/big brother to death--at which point she's suddenly an orphan in the middle of a really, really dangerous place. Does that seem right to you?

[memnarch]

Well, I figured out why TF2 always took several minutes to load maps and at least 5 minutes to join a server. My TF2 files were fragmented to hell and back and then back to hell again.

This is Defraggler. It is pulling fragments from all over my hard drive. The yellow blocks are where it is pulling from:



Obviously its all over my hard drive. Which explains the slow load times.

I hope it will be screaming fast when its done defragmenting. I have gotten tired of the long load times as of late.

I would just like to say it looks like there is no fragmentation on that hard drive. Which doesn't make a lot of sense as there should be a couple files here and there.

[Jibar]

WHY? Why do the little sisters deserve to have good skin and non-glowy eyes at the expense of the lives of their caretakers? What does SAVING the little sisters even mean, anyway?

Think about it: a little girl has some kind of lifelong disease that, while she's able to operate and go about her business, makes life somewhat difficult for her. To cure this, you can beat her father/big brother to death--at which point she's suddenly an orphan in the middle of a really, really dangerous place. Does that seem right to you?

Not entirely true considering the lifelong disease was forced into her to become part of a deadly ecosystem when also given a minor form of immortality so that she cannot be killed by the murders inhabitants of the ruined underwater city where she lives, dazed and confused having been pretty much lobotomised and brain washed during this whole process.

It's more a mark of tearing out the parasitic organism that forces a little girl to live a half-life after killing her guardian/prison keeper so that she can indeed be human again and have some however slim hope of getting to the live the life that was so rudely taken from her by mysterious third parties.

[Myatar_Panwar]

WHY? Why do the little sisters deserve to have good skin and non-glowy eyes at the expense of the lives of their caretakers? What does SAVING the little sisters even mean, anyway?

Think about it: a little girl has some kind of lifelong disease that, while she's able to operate and go about her business, makes life somewhat difficult for her. To cure this, you can beat her father/big brother to death--at which point she's suddenly an orphan in the middle of a really, really dangerous place. Does that seem right to you?

Saving the little sisters results in the same little sisters coming to you with gifts from Tenenbaum. This assumes that she is taking care of them. They were always orphans, only now they have someone who isn't just some husk taking care of them.

And really, are you some kind of communist? A happy life devoid of free-will vs. a bit harder life but with the ability to chose to not suck adam from plastic nipples.

[Cogwheel]

You know, I keep imagining Liberty Prime as being piloted by Andrew Ryan. Those two would get along far too well.

[Smiling-Jack]

Saving the little sisters results in the same little sisters coming to you with gifts from Tenenbaum. This assumes that she is taking care of them. They were always orphans, only now they have someone who isn't just some husk taking care of them.

And really, are you some kind of communist? A happy life devoid of free-will vs. a bit harder life but with the ability to chose to not suck adam from plastic nipples.

I always wondered what happens to them afterwards? you're in the middle of the atlantic ocean, with a load of 12 year old girls, even if you do find country, that's alot of people with 0 earning power.