[Steam] Thread XIII: The World's #1 Forum-Themed Hat Acquisition Simulator

[AlterForm]

Looking at drunken F00ls backpack... he seems to be golden wrenchless.

The plot thickens...

[Jibar]

He's not on the Wrench list anymore...

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

He's not on the Wrench list anymore...

More than that. He and his friends (also removed from the Wrench list) were VAC banned.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/df

Right there under gameplay stats.

[shadow_archmagi]

More than that. He and his friends (also removed from the Wrench list) were VAC banned.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/df

Right there under gameplay stats.

Harsh. I really feel for the poor guy. VAC banned? Really? That's going a bit far, isn't it?

[Shas aia Toriia]

Well, this just goes to prove an old saying dating back to the 1500's; "If you cheat the system to get a Golden Wrench, Valve bans you."

Needless to say, it wasn't a very popular saying back then.

[Jibar]

More than that. He and his friends (also removed from the Wrench list) were VAC banned.

http://steamcommunity.com/id/df

Right there under gameplay stats.

Holy crap...

THE SYSTEM WORKS!

[onasuma]

Downside of the whole thing is... we have to wait longer to see the next item...

[watsyurname529]

I would just like to know how/why he was banned. As in how did he cheat the system for a Golden Wrench?

[Rutskarn]

Yeah, I'm finding it tricky to feel sorry for the ol' DF. He and his crew were all about screwing the rules and fighting da powah--it was going to catch up to them sooner or later.

[KBF]

VAC banned seems really extreme. He just pointed out and used statistics that were already widely available. He gamed the system, but did he use any outside processes to do so? Did he really cheat? When you consider how serious VAC banning is you gotta ask.

and seriously i'm asking i don't know very much about this

[surikesu]

According to the chaos in the steam forums, the times that the golden wrenches were going to be released were leaked... So that's how Drunken f00l knew what times to craft.

However, he hasn't responded since yet, so anything right now is speculation.

[Jibar]

Think of it this way,

The Random Drop Wrench system ensures that anybody can get it. Anyone at all. No bias to timezones, no level of skill required, no visiting hidden web pages, just grab some of the regularly dropping items and craft some scrap metal and you could get it. It's always possible.

Each time DF and his friends did a guaranteed craft, they essentially broke this entire thing. No longer could anybody get it. Only they could. They had taken their Wrenches out of the random system and stopped other people having one. For every Wrench they made, the chance of other people getting one dropped.

In effect, they were stealing potential items from other players.

And that is seriously not cool.

[watsyurname529]

VAC banned seems really extreme. He just pointed out and used statistics that were already widely available. He gamed the system, but did he use any outside processes to do so? Did he really cheat? When you consider how serious VAC banning is you gotta ask.

and seriously i'm asking i don't know very much about this

This is what I want to know. I would hope that Valve wouldn't VAC ban him just for using some statistics.

To get a VAC ban you'd have to be screwing around with the game code, such as various hax or something.

[KBF]

According to the chaos in the steam forums, the times that the golden wrenches were going to be released were leaked... So that's how Drunken f00l knew what times to craft.

However, he hasn't responded since yet, so anything right now is speculation.

If I were Valve at this point I'd switch up the times to randomly between every hour, but never the old time. So it's actually pretty random and fair unless you were using the leaked info.

And yeah, Wats ninja'd what I was going to say so I'm not going to retype it.

Each time DF and his friends did a guaranteed craft, they essentially broke this entire thing. No longer could anybody get it. Only they could. They had taken their Wrenches out of the random system and stopped other people having one. For every Wrench they made, the chance of other people getting one dropped.

Except that if there were set times, which having a guaranteed craft implies, then it wasn't really random and it was more a case of choosing what time of day to play the lottery, the timestamp being your lucky numbers. And then they're formulaic? Valve could have done better, assuming they're using a fairly mundane formula like 'once an hour'. If the times really were leaked then I'd understand, I guess.

Of course, this makes me laugh at all of you when I was rereading the pages and somehow you guys figured that right after the last wrench dropped was a good time to try. I never understood that logic. Valve would not let two wrenches drop in a row. Probably.

[Rutskarn]

Jesus, the steam thread is a wasteland.

Wait, hold on, let me fix that.

Jesus, the steam forums are a wasteland.

[surikesu]

Valve should just end this insanity and give everyone golden wrenches at the end of the Engineer Update.

Everyone Wins!

[Jibar]

Except that if there were set times, which having a guaranteed craft implies, then it wasn't really random and it was more a case of choosing what time of day to play the lottery, the timestamp being your lucky numbers. And then they're formulaic? Valve could have done better, assuming they're using a fairly mundane formula like 'once an hour'. If the times really were leaked then I'd understand, I guess.

The point stands though. They basically bought a bunch of scratchcards, knowing which cards would win, and stopped other people possibly buying them.
The system may not be the best, but that's no excuse for stopping other people having their go at it.

[Rutskarn]

It's like knowing what the winning lottery ticket is, you know?

Speaking of which, the Time Traveler is an unethical bastard.

[Imposter]

So, still missing the engineer update. Special wrenches, new unlocks, achievements...
It'll have to wait, I guess.

Quick note: You people have all missed the important bit of the wrangler. Speaking as a rather ambush happy combat engineer, doubling the damage on my (bush) sentry will be wonderful. Especially since every inatentive scout mowed down by what should be an (extremely) deadly little box of (unexpected) pain gives me more critz for the shotty.

[AlterForm]

We're up to 74.

[potatocubed]

Jesus, the steam thread is a wasteland.

Wait, hold on, let me fix that.

Jesus, the steam forums are a wasteland.

I dunno, I think 'scandalous wrench' is a pretty good thread title.

[Archangel Yuki]

according to drunken f00l creator of sourceop and tf2items.com,
some body told him the predetermined times of the gold wrench drops and he used this data for him and his friends to get gold wrenches.
and used a program/script to craft medal trying to get a wrench before they disabled those blueprints. now he is vac banned and has no wrench

http://steamcommunity.com/id/df
http://items.bfused.com/?id=df

[Tono]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...postcount=1900

Four people have been banned so far right? Thats four away from me seeing the update. Q_Q
e: mirror to that
http://www.cyborgmatt.com/sourceop.htm

[AlterForm]

http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...postcount=1900

Smells like a publicity stunt.

[dromer]

Needless to say, I doubt Valve will ever do another super-rare crafting drop again.
Also, I am disappointed for there not being a mega awesome dropping algorithm. Finding useless algorithms and quirks of video games.

[AlterForm]

Needless to say, I doubt Valve will ever do another super-rare crafting drop again.

Maybe.

**sniff**

Maybe

[dromer]

Actually, I revoke that last statement about Valve's algorithm. By setting a global time when the wrench would drop, Valve essentially made the Wrench drop system a global version of the normal drop system.

Also:
00:06… Beef-: Drunken_F00l: Why do you want ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ items that serve only an aesthetic purpose when you know valve are ♥♥♥♥♥♥s and take items seriously?
00:06… @Drunken_F00l: Beef-: Their shine is intoxicating

This is made of awesome.

[Myatar_Panwar]

That is a pretty ****ty thing to do.

So glad they got the hammer.

[AlterForm]

#75 just dropped.

[KBF]

Ooh, nifty looking new wrench.

..Is there um. Any.. Info? No? Just the map? Err.