Naruto Manga thread (Spoilers)

[IcarusWings]

... with zero practical or visible difference.

Other than Raikiri being stronger and infinitely more accurate and precise?

[Zeful]

Other than Raikiri being stronger and infinitely more accurate and precise?

Both techniques require the Sharingan for any amount of accuracy and precision (Kakashi Gaiden), and Kakashi used a Chidori on Kakuzu, punching through a powerful earth technique like the Raikiri through Haku.

I fail to see that assertion being supported anywhere.

[Lix Lorn]

Which isn't a change in the weapon, but the hand that wields it.

[VanBuren]

Both techniques require the Sharingan for any amount of accuracy and precision (Kakashi Gaiden), and Kakashi used a Chidori on Kakuzu, punching through a powerful earth technique like the Raikiri through Haku.

No, Kakashi used the Lightning Cutter. He hasn't used Chidori outside of Kakashi Gaiden.

I fail to see that assertion being supported anywhere.

That the Lightning Cutter is a better version?

1. It's what Kakashi uses instead of Chidori.

2. Chidori is an A-rank jutsu, the Lightning Cutter is an S-rank. This not only establishes them as separate techniques, but puts the Lightning Cutter on a higher level than Chidori.

[Frozen_Feet]

Other than Raikiri being stronger and infinitely more accurate and precise?

There's nothing in the actual Manga supporting the notion that it's any stronger or more precise. If not for a slight change in color only visible in illustrations or anime, it'd be impossible to tell the two apart.

Raikiri is renamed Chidori. If there's more to it, it's not visible in the actual story. My statement of them being "essentially same jutsu" holds true regardless.

[VanBuren]

There's nothing in the actual Manga supporting the notion that it's any stronger or more precise. If not for a slight change in color only visible in illustrations or anime, it'd be impossible to tell the two apart.

Raikiri is renamed Chidori. If there's more to it, it's not visible in the actual story. My statement of them being "essentially same jutsu" holds true regardless.

I imagine that this is why Kishi created a Databook, no?

[Frozen_Feet]

Oh, hush you. You're ruining my point.

[Drolyt]

I agree with frozen feet. The move is introduced as Chidori, and if I recall correctly it was Guy who first mentioned Raikiri and gave the story about Kakashi cutting lightning or somesuch. The whole exchange makes it sound like an alternative name. The usage of Raikiri to mean a more powerful Chidori does seem to be canon, although it is essentially the same technique, just with more power and more refined chakra control. Also note that Sasuke calls all his variants Chidori, even though they are just as effective as Kakashi's Raikiri.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I agree with frozen feet. The move is introduced as Chidori, and if I recall correctly it was Guy who first mentioned Raikiri and gave the story about Kakashi cutting lightning or somesuch. The whole exchange makes it sound like an alternative name. The usage of Raikiri to mean a more powerful Chidori does seem to be canon, although it is essentially the same technique, just with more power and more refined chakra control. Also note that Sasuke calls all his variants Chidori, even though they are just as effective as Kakashi's Raikiri.

They are not the same. By all means they are the same, but Lightning Blade is a Class-S Jutsu. Chidori isn't.

[Drolyt]

They are not the same. By all means they are the same, but Lightning Blade is a Class-S Jutsu. Chidori isn't.

But the only difference is that with Lightning Blade you have more refined chakra control and more power. For all intents and purposes it does the same thing.

[Prime32]

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Cutter

[VanBuren]

I agree with frozen feet. The move is introduced as Chidori, and if I recall correctly it was Guy who first mentioned Raikiri and gave the story about Kakashi cutting lightning or somesuch. The whole exchange makes it sound like an alternative name. The usage of Raikiri to mean a more powerful Chidori does seem to be canon, although it is essentially the same technique, just with more power and more refined chakra control. Also note that Sasuke calls all his variants Chidori, even though they are just as effective as Kakashi's Raikiri.

That's probably because the Lightning Cutter is a specific variant of Chidori that is essentially the same but better, to the point where it was focused and powerful enough to cut through lightning hence the name.

Like Sasuke's various techniques, it is derived from the Chidori. My only guess is that Sasuke doesn't use the name because he hasn't attempted to refine the Chidori itself, but to create variants to accomplish different things with it, and that he has never attempted to split lightning with any of them.

[Drolyt]

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Cutter

Useful links, but remember that Narutopedia is not definitive.

That's probably because the Lightning Cutter is a specific variant of Chidori that is essentially the same but better, to the point where it was focused and powerful enough to cut through lightning hence the name.

Like Sasuke's various techniques, it is derived from the Chidori. My only guess is that Sasuke doesn't use the name because he hasn't attempted to refine the Chidori itself, but to create variants to accomplish different things with it, and that he has never attempted to split lightning with any of them.

Agree more or less, and to be honest I'm not sure how this discussion came about. One question though, when Kakashi used his technique on Zabuza, was that Chidori or Lightning Blade?

[VanBuren]

Agree more or less, and to be honest I'm not sure how this discussion came about. One question though, when Kakashi used his technique on Zabuza, was that Chidori or Lightning Blade?

The latter. To my knowledge, Kakashi hasn't actually used Chidori in combat outside of the Gaiden.

[Silverraptor]

WHAAAT?!

The Impure Ressurection Jutsu Poses No Risk To The User?! How Is That Fair?!

[Innis Cabal]

Silly Silver. It's a lie. I thought you were taught never to trust evil

[Silverraptor]

Silly Silver. It's a lie. I thought you were taught never to trust evil

Holy Crap, that was fast Innis. I just hit the "submit" button seconds before you posted.

Anyways, you're right. I just need to look at you to remember what "True Evil" is about. I hope he is lying anyways...

[TSGames]

Silly Silver. It's a lie. I thought you were taught never to trust evil

This is nonsense, lies, and slander. Trust the darkside, it's more fun over here... We have candy.

;)

[Silverraptor]

This is nonsense, lies, and slander. Trust the darkside, it's more fun over here... We have candy.

;)

Yeahhhhh...

And over there is the crying baby you stole it from.

[Drolyt]

Yeahhhhh...

And over there is the crying baby you stole it from.

He deserved it.

[VanBuren]

WHAAAT?!

The Impure Ressurection Jutsu Poses No Risk To The User?! How Is That Fair?!

Kabuto is totally lying to Madara.

[TSGames]

He deserved it.

Besides, I took the baby too. It comes in handy for anti-paladin armor.

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[Irbis]

So, at least that explains why no one is using that technique.

BUT THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER KNEW OF IT WITH ALL THE DETAILS MERE FIVE CHAPTERS AGO!

Also, what Jiraya is doing in the ocean?

Also also: man, the Shinobi HQ is way incompetent.

Also x3: Madara is rude. Man, you need more class! Plus, he killed the wrong one, IMHO.

Also x4: Kabuto was supposed to say how to stop it. I hope the answer wasn't: show them teh powar of loveh!

Also x5: Why not resurrect the Sage, then if you went grave-robbing anyway?

[Fjolnir]

They did point out it was developed and used by the second, and there was a MAJOR shinobi war at the time with multiple sides vs Konaha, if the second used the technique during the war there would be records of what it was and how to combat it. It isn't an Orochimaru original ninjutsu and runs the risks of any and all jutsu that were developed during warfare and used in quantity, that is that eventually the other side's intel will catch up to what you're doing and learn the counter to the tricks used.

[Mystic Muse]

Also x5: Why not resurrect the Sage, then if you went grave-robbing anyway?

It sounds like his corpse wouldn't have enough material for the jutsu to function.

Also, maybe nobody knows where his corpse is? I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.

[AgentofOdd]

Huh, guess Kabuto's mystery corpse isn't the Great Sage. Ah well.

Also, what Jiraya is doing in the ocean?

Instead of letting Pain kill him, he managed to drown himself in a body of water. Guess it led to the ocean, or something.

Also also: man, the Shinobi HQ is way incompetent.

...I admit, I don't see how they're incompetent.
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Kabuto's line about needing the woman alive confuses me. Kabuto already produces Orochimaru chakra since he's absorbed the corpse. How would taking whatever sliver of Orochimaru in that woman help him? Can't he just divide some of the cells he already possesses instead?

Also, I wonder. How long can you wait before you can't get a meaningful DNA sample from a corpse? I would imagine Zabuza and others like him should've been too far gone to salvage.

Finally, while I also suspect Kabuto's lying, I can't think of a reason why he'd lie.

[horngeek]

Finally, while I also suspect Kabuto's lying, I can't think of a reason why he'd lie.

Because that'd mean Madara had something against him. Or something.

I got the first few parts of that already- I figured the 'soul sealed already' would apply, for instance. The DNA bit, too.

And the reason it needs a living sacrifice is probably quite simple: you can't reanimate a dead corpse.

[Grumman]

I must say I dislike this 8:2 nonsense with Naruto. It feels like an arbitrary hurdle thrown in his way rather than an organic part of the setting.

Also x3: Madara is rude. Man, you need more class! Plus, he killed the wrong one, IMHO.

Definitely. Even if the Aburame comes back with his bugs, which isn't a sure thing, the Yamanaka has unbelievable synergy with Impure World Resurrection.

I mean, it's simple:

1. Fuu uses Mind-Body Switch or Mind-Puppet Switch to take control of an enemy.
2. Fuu uses the victim to keep killing enemy ninja until they stop him or he kills himself.
3. Fuu regenerates.
4. Rinse and repeat.

[Kato]

Woohoo, new chapter...

So... basically it is 'Impure world resurrection 101', hu? Okay, some Naruto and Joint Army thrown in for good measure but anyway.

Naruto's training... meh, don't really care. He'll figured it out one way ro the other anyway.

Yay, Anko's alive! (Okay, we knew it but good to have proof) I can't follow Kabuto's reasoning but meh. As long as she'll make it a few more chapters.
And today the readers spokesman is.... MADARA! 'I don't get your jutsu. Explain to me (and the readers)!' Looks way mire complicated than I imagined it... those coffins he used to use were kind of more stylish, IMHO. The DNA part is... well, at least for some people weird. Though, I'm not too secure on the matter of genetic archeology or whatever. But the first seems kind of a stretch... (Must... refrain... from... WMG about Shisui....)
Uhm... yeah... can't wait for Kabuto to backstab Madara and not sure if he is lying (probably, though).
Last words: Ninja radios look hilarious.

[Prime32]

Looks way mire complicated than I imagined it... those coffins he used to use were kind of more stylish, IMHO.

The coffins seem to be reserved for "here's one I prepared earlier".