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    You just did very difficult
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    One day, we must all have our characters butchered by romhacks face our ends.
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    Won as Good Mayans on a science victory GMR 4. Won as Sweden on a science victory GMR 7. Won as Desert England on a concession victory GMR 8 Lost as Poland in GMR 3. Lost as Japan in GMR 5, Surrendered as Korea in GMR 10. Surrendered as Bad Maya in GMR 11, Lost as Shoshone in GMR 13.

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    I vote Difficult, because last map would have been rather easy once past the choir boys so lesser difficulties would likely be to easy. Course I'm a Jeigan soooo :-P
    Last edited by TheBoyce; 2010-11-27 at 01:30 AM.

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    I still vote impossible. Ice is fine.

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    Considering that I won't be able to join if a TPK occurs, You should all accept your pink bows and go medium.

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    i say Medium
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    ...Make my vote medium, at current rate it's not going to look good.
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    You can do impossible if you just believe. Nah at this point if you do, you're beyond screwed.
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    Exactly. This game was made for the enjoyment of a group, and it can't reach its full capacity if everybody dies multiple times.


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    That's why you use me, and maybe the knight like a vanguard send us out and wait, let the enemy attack us so we can counter, then you trainees come in and finish em off

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    Ah but what if you and 4is111 kill the enemy before they your allies move.
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    Won as Good Mayans on a science victory GMR 4. Won as Sweden on a science victory GMR 7. Won as Desert England on a concession victory GMR 8 Lost as Poland in GMR 3. Lost as Japan in GMR 5, Surrendered as Korea in GMR 10. Surrendered as Bad Maya in GMR 11, Lost as Shoshone in GMR 13.

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    Well Mr knight has a speed of 0 so no double attacks for him, and well I might kill some of the slower ones, but that's better than a slaughter

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    Look at the last map. They were on us before we got anywhere. We were surrounded from the start, and easily overpowered. They took Soth out in one round, and he's not even a trainee.

    And the problem with just sending Mordus is, as a Jeigan, he's a natural exp whore. He's already levels ahead, and while that's helpful now, he's compromised by severely cutting his growths.


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    I kind of like the cutthroat difficulty. I'm sure if we gave our moves some thought we could win easily.

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    I'll take Hard mode, Fire affinity

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    I'll go for hard mode. Enough to make us think, but we won't be totally screwed if we make one or two mistakes.

    Also, what's with the affinities? If we're talking about our characters, I think Dark affinity fits best. Oh. We're talking about the map, aren't we? Herp Derp. Um, whichever Affinity our party has the most of, then? What are the exact benefits (if any) of map Affinities?
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    No we're starting supports this map, and some people didn't list affinities on their character sheet, so I picked at random and gave them the option to change.
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    Let's just try to level up a little,I vote for Medium
    but the next is definately IMPOSSIBLE =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeGod View Post
    Let's just try to level up a little,I vote for Medium
    but the next is definately IMPOSSIBLE =D
    kidding! please tell me your kidding! please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeGod View Post
    Let's just try to level up a little,I vote for Medium
    but the next is definately IMPOSSIBLE =D
    You were the first to die on the very difficult map.
    Also, if you'd like a portrait, I can make it. Just need a bit of description.

    And topic change-
    Who wants to do supports?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinator View Post
    You were the first to die on the very difficult map.
    Also, if you'd like a portrait, I can make it. Just need a bit of description.

    And topic change-
    Who wants to do supports?
    That's because I went ahead without thinking,it sorta worked last map XD
    I got a description somewhre in the OOC thread...

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    To be learned from previous map:
    Stay away from walls!

    Here:
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    Ch 3.1

    After the groups failure to procure a boat, they desperately try to ford the river. The attempt is only slightly successful. They manage to get on land, however the beating at sea, causes them to pass out shortly thereafter. In a slightly marshy region. When they wake up they find themselves surrounded.

    Usershadow Unfortuenaly your hit is rather low thanks to way staff hit is calculated. However it will increase rapidly as you level.

    Victory Defeat all enemies

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    Str 13 (/////////////-------)
    Skl 10 (//////////----------)
    Spd 0 (--------------------)
    Luck 5 (/////---------------)
    Def 13 (/////////////-------)
    Res 1 (/-------------------)

    Con 13
    Affinity Ice
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    Iron lance 32/45
    Javelin 20/20
    Vulnerary 2/3

    Rng 1
    Atk 20 Crit 5
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    Soth 0/80
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    Hp 25
    Str 10 (//////////----------)
    Skl 10 (//////////----------)
    Spd 14 (//////////////------)
    Luck 2 (//------------------)
    Def 7 (///////-------------)
    Res 3 (///-----------------)

    Con 7
    Affinity Fire
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    Iron bow 20/45
    Vulnerary 2/3

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    Hit 106 Avoid 28

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    Heiwi 0/80
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    Spd 1 (/-------------------)
    Luck 3 (///-----------------)
    Def 1 (/-------------------)
    Res 1 (/-------------------)

    Con 7
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    Vulnerary 2/3
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    Atk 12 Crit 11
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    Mag 8 (////////------------)
    Skl 8 (////////------------)
    Spd 8 (////////------------)
    Luck 1(/-------------------)
    Def 4(////----------------)
    Res 4 (////----------------)

    Con 6
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    Fire 28/40
    Iron sword 35/46
    Vulnerary 1/3
    Vulnerary 3/3
    Chest key 1
    Rng 1
    Atk 15 Crit 4
    Hit 106 Avoid 17
    Rng 1-2
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    Spd 6 (//////--------------)
    Luck 2 (//------------------)
    Def 2 (//------------------)
    Res 1 (/-------------------)

    Con 5
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    Ironsword 45/46
    Bommerang 20/20
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    Rng 1
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    Spd 9 (/////////-----------)
    Luck 2 (//------------------)
    Def 5 (/////---------------)
    Res 7 (///////-------------)

    Con 6
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    Drain staff 30/30
    Heal 30/30
    Vulenrary 3/3
    Rng 1/5
    Atk +14 Crit -
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    Skl 7 (///////-------------)
    Spd 10 (//////////----------)
    Luck 1 (/-------------------)
    Def 12 (////////////--------)
    Res 7 (///////-------------)

    Con 9
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    Luck 0
    Def 2
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    Def 0
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    Def 0
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    Knight 1 Lv 1 Exp 0
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    Def 4
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    Knight 2 Lv 1 Exp 0
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    Luck 0
    Def 9
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    Luck 0
    Def 5
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    Con 13

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    Iron lance
    Iron sword
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    Rng 1
    Atk 14 Crit 2
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    Skl 6 (//////--------------)
    Spd 6 (//////--------------)
    Luck 2 (//------------------)
    Def 2 (//------------------)
    Res 6 (//////--------------)

    Con 8
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    Fire 40/40
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    Last edited by Illven; 2010-12-02 at 11:58 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deme View Post
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    Here's Ashley, for when she's recruited. Where do we start from?


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    The squares with blue surrounding them.

    I7, I8, J8, K7, K8, L8 M7, M8
    Quote Originally Posted by Deme View Post
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    Won as Good Mayans on a science victory GMR 4. Won as Sweden on a science victory GMR 7. Won as Desert England on a concession victory GMR 8 Lost as Poland in GMR 3. Lost as Japan in GMR 5, Surrendered as Korea in GMR 10. Surrendered as Bad Maya in GMR 11, Lost as Shoshone in GMR 13.

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    I'll take K8 to stay away from the knights. Move to L9 and attack the Myrmidon, preferably after somebody softens him up.


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    Hewhi

    "You are all so tiny! It is funny to me."

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    You said you were weak to magic right knight?Let's see if your friends share this trait
    Deploys at M8
    Move to Q9Q8
    Double Fire the Knight

    "Anel de Chamas!!"
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    Layla looks around at the enemys "I hope we can do this." Layla looks at Soth and Hewhi. "Please don't tell me you are fighting. I don't like it when my allies fight."

    OCC: Appears at I8 and moves to L8 and attack Mydromion 2.
    Layla chokes on her tears and trys to act tough. "Im sorry sir, but you are in our way!" Layla readys her spells
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    Ravena never returned. Whoops

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    Mordus yawns at the forces assembled against him. "Yaaawhm, what fools these men be. Against me they are but gnats, to be crushed, how boring."

    When Layla speaks to her foe the shamn's eyebrows rise and his forehead wrinkles.

    "What are you doing girl?! You think these men will show you mercy?! You must kill them before they do such to you!"

    His eyes then alight on one of the few he might actually pose an annoyance to him and closes in.

    "Come on then blockhead, see if you can be of any use! You can at least die with some bravery, Bahaha!"

    OOC: Spawn at J8, Move to I12, and wait

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    Default Re: Fire emlbem (Protect the prince)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravena View Post
    "Please don't tell me you are fighting. I don't like it when my allies fight. I'm sorry sir, but you are in our way!"

    Luc hurries to his lord's side, sending his blade to decapitate his opponent. "Heh, I learned some new tricks since last time!" He looks at Layla. "You say that as if we had any choice. These scum don't deserve to be called sir."

    Luc moves to K9 and attacks with his boomstick.

    (Somebody cover, please. That myrm would double and kill either of us.)


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