Arena Tournament, Round 96: Anisimovna & Lyir Torsis vs. Aguacatl & Die Tierhüter

[candycorn]

Anisimovna, Round 8:

Refs:

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Turn unchanged. This is spoilered as my opponent will likely gain and lose LOS a couple times during my turn.

LOS required.

[Sallera]

Refs:

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Listen for Aguacatl: (1d20+8)[26]

Anisimovna:

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No LoS.

Aguacatl:

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Tierhüter is in O12, and says "Anisimovna is in V13." His dogs are in N14 and M14.

Tierhüter:

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Anisimovna moves north out of LoS, then appears in S5, then moves west out of LoS again at H5.

[candycorn]

For Clarification:

Done.

Stats:

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Location: F5
HP: 4/4
AC: 21 (+2 Size, +6 Dex, +3 Profane), FF 15, Touch 21
In Hand: Light Crossbow, Scroll (Blank)
Spells:

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Mage Hand x5

Reduce Person
Expeditious Retreat
Enlarge Person
Ray of Clumsiness

Investiture of the Spined Devil

Effects Active: Law Devotion(AC) 8/10, Reduce Person 7/20, Expeditious Retreat 6/20, Travel Devotion 5/10, Investiture of the Spined Devil 1/30

[Wildgeist]

Der Tierhüter Round 8

@Refs/LoS

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Tierhüter
Standard: Ready an Action

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To cast entangle from scroll if gain LoS with Anisimovna.

AnC @N14
Stays there



WiC @M14
Stays there

End of Turn

STATS

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Der Tierhuter Started @O12
Der Tierhuter Ended @O12

AnC Started @N14
AnC Ended @N14

WiC Started @M14
WiC Ended @M14



HP 9/9
AC 23 (10 +2 Armor +2 Shield +3 Dexterity +1 Size +3 LD +2 Small Pillar) T 14??? (not sure if LD stacks in touch...) FF 18


Travel Devotion: 6/10
Law Devotion: 8/10


Bullets Left: 20 Carried of a total of 20 Owned

Bullets Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Scroll
Off Hand Wielding: Shield


Backpack:
Alchemist Fire X2


Spells Prepared:
Level 0
Flare
Guidance
Virtue

Level 1
Summon Natures Ally I
Cure Light Wounds

[Scorer]

Aguacatl 9th Turn

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AGUACATL
Move: to L15
Standard: Cast Produce Flame from scroll

TUNATL
Move: to L14
Standard: Full Defense

End of Turn

STATS

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Aguacatl started @ L17
Aguacatl ended @ L15
HP 5/5
AC 21 (10 +6 dex, +1 size, +2 armor, +2 shield) Touch 17 FF 15

99 Sling bullets left
(0 carried)

Hand 1 Wielding: Scroll (1x Entangle, 3x Produce Flame [1x entangle, 2x Produce Flame used])
Hand 2 Wielding: Shield
Mouth: Nothing

Spells Prepared:

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L0 - Cure Minor wounds x3
L1 - Cure Light Wounds, Cure Light Wounds

Scroll of heat metal used up.

Tunatl started @M16
Tunatl ended @L14
HP 13/13
AC 20 (10 +2 dex, +4 natural armor, +4 dodge) Touch 16 FF 14

No summons yet

[candycorn]

Anisimovna, Round 9:

Refs/LOS:

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Free: Drop Blank Scroll, Drop Crossbow.
Move: to E8 (by way of E5).
Hide: (1d20+16)[17]
Move Silent: (1d20+11)[18]

Not done. Need LOS.

[Sallera]

Refs:

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Spot for Aguacatl: (1d20+8)[28]

Anisimovna:

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Aguacatl is in L15, holding a flame again. Tunatl is in L14. Tierhüter's dogs are in N14 and M14.

Aguacatl:

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Anisimovna is in E8, holding nothing. Tierhüter is in O12. His dogs are in N14 and M14.

Tierhüter:

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Aguacatl is in L15. Tunatl is in L14.

[Scorer]

Speak out of turn

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She's on E8

[candycorn]

[b]Anisimovna, continued:

Aguacatl/Refs/LOS:

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By my calculations, Aguacatl is 60 feet away.

The breakdown I have

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E8(+0) - G10(+10) = 20 feet.
G10(+10) - I12(+10) = 15 feet.
I12(+10) - K14(+20) = 20 feet.
K14(+20) - L15(+20) = 5 feet.
Total: 60 feet

Provided that is accurate:

Volley Strike on Aguacatl!

Attack 1: (1d20+8)[13]
Damage: (1d6+1)[5]

Attack 2: (1d20+8)[13]
Damage: (1d6+1)[2]

Attack 3: (1d20+8)[25]
Damage: (1d6+1)[3]

Not done. Remainder of turn pending rolls.

[candycorn]

Waiting on update of roll results from Aguacatl.

[Scorer]

@Refs/Anisimovna

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Unless a ref says contrary, I beleive that's 3 misses
@refs only

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21 AC +2 from position, +4 cover = 27

[candycorn]

Remainder of turn:

Refs/LOS:

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Swift: Move north, out of sight.

Ending in:

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H5.

Hide:(1d20+16)[28]
Move Silent: (1d20+11)[23]

Done.

Stats:Stats:

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Location: H5
HP: 4/4
AC: 21 (+2 Size, +6 Dex, +3 Profane), FF 15, Touch 21
In Hand: Light Crossbow, Scroll (Blank)
Spells:

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Mage Hand x5

Reduce Person
Expeditious Retreat
Enlarge Person
Ray of Clumsiness

Investiture of the Spined Devil

Effects Active: Law Devotion(AC) 9/10, Reduce Person 8/20, Expeditious Retreat 7/20, Travel Devotion 6/10, Investiture of the Spined Devil 2/30

[Scorer]

Speak out of turn

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She's gone out of LoS towards north...

[Wildgeist]

Der Tierhüter Round 9

@Refs/LoS

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Tierhüter
Free: Speak: Are you alright Aguacatl?

Standard: Keep Readied Action

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To cast entangle from scroll if gain LoS with Anisimovna.

AnC @N14
Stays there



WiC @M14
Stays there

End of Turn

STATS

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Der Tierhuter Started @O12
Der Tierhuter Ended @O12

AnC Started @N14
AnC Ended @N14

WiC Started @M14
WiC Ended @M14



HP 9/9
AC 23 (10 +2 Armor +2 Shield +3 Dexterity +1 Size +3 LD +2 Small Pillar) T 14??? (not sure if LD stacks in touch...) FF 18


Travel Devotion: 7/10
Law Devotion: 9/10


Bullets Left: 20 Carried of a total of 20 Owned

Bullets Used: 0


Good Hand Wielding: Scroll
Off Hand Wielding: Shield


Backpack:
Alchemist Fire X2


Spells Prepared:
Level 0
Flare
Guidance
Virtue

Level 1
Summon Natures Ally I
Cure Light Wounds

[Scorer]

Aguacatl 10th Turn

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AGUACATL
Free: Speak "Perfectly fine"
Standard: Ready an action

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To throw Flame if LoS with Anisimovna.

TUNATL
Standard: Full Defense

End of Turn

STATS

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Aguacatl started @ L15
Aguacatl ended @ L15
HP 5/5
AC 23 (10 +6 dex, +1 size, +2 armor, +2 shield, +2 Pole) Touch 19 FF 17

99 Sling bullets left
(0 carried)

Hand 1 Wielding: Scroll (1x Entangle, 3x Produce Flame [1x entangle, 2x Produce Flame used])
Hand 2 Wielding: Shield
Mouth: Nothing

Spells Prepared:

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L0 - Cure Minor wounds x3
L1 - Cure Light Wounds, Cure Light Wounds

Scroll of heat metal used up.

Tunatl started @L14
Tunatl ended @L14
HP 13/13
AC 20 (10 +2 dex, +4 natural armor, +4 dodge) Touch 16 FF 14

No summons yet

[candycorn]

Anisimovna, Round 10:

Refs/LOS:

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Swift: Return to E8, by way of E5.

Hide: (1d20+16)[33]
MS: (1d20+11)[15]

Rest of turn dependent on LOS.

[Sallera]

Refs:

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Nyar.

Anisimovna:

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Aguacatl is in L15. Tunatl is in L14. Tierhüter's dogs are in N14 and M14. When you were in H5, you saw Tierhüter in O12, and he readied an action.

Aguacatl:

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Anisimovna is in E8, holding nothing. Tierhüter is in O12. His dogs are in N14 and M14.

Tierhüter:

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Aguacatl is in L15. Tunatl is in L14.

[candycorn]

@Aguacatl/LOS:

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Free: Shift Law Devotion to Attack.

Volley attack vs Flat footed AC (normally I'd do a "if flat footed, but with a hide of 33, you can't match it on a 20")

Volley 1: (1d20+13)[23]
Damage: (1d6+1)[5]

Volley 2: (1d20+13)[27]
Damage: (1d6+1)[3]

Volley 3: (1d20+13)[26]
Damage: (1d6+1)[7]

After that, I become visible in E8.

Waiting on results before posting remainder of my turn.

[candycorn]

Ref Breakdown:

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Attack Bonus: 6 dex + 2 size + 3 law devotion + 2 unseen

[Scorer]

Ref Question

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Does the second and third attacks also go vs Flatfooted? or they go vs normal AC?

[Sallera]

Aguacatl:

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It's a volley attack, so all attacks are simultaneous and against FF AC.

Anisimovna:

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Just realized I was calculating LoS wrong there; you do have LoS to Tierhüter from E8 as well. Does that change your actions?

Need one answer before I update LoS.

[candycorn]

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As much as I hate to say no, this is my last round of Law devotion, and I need to make it count. If I'd known that a couple turns ago, I'd have gone south to shoot from H22, but as things stand now? I'll deal with whatever ready action Tierhuter has.

Action stands as posted so far.

[Sallera]

Refs:

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Nyar.

Tierhüter:

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Anisimovna appears in E8 after firing a volley of spines at Aguacatl, holding nothing, and triggers your readied action. Do you take it?

Anisimovna:

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Tierhüter is in O12. His dogs are in N14 and M14. Tunatl is in L14.

Aguacatl is dead. Response from Tierhüter needed.

[Wildgeist]

@Refs

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Yes I take it but just out of curiosity, didn't I gain LoS with anisimovna in the momment she steps in E8, before she could attack Aguacatl??? Or wouldn't my readied action be triggered by such attack, so... if she gets entangled, could Aguacatl still be alive?

[Sallera]

Tierhüter:

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No, she was hiding, so you don't gain LoS until after the attack.

[Scorer]

@refs

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I beleive we need a rewind...

In the hum-... previous than last volley attack, when Anisimovna failed, Tiehuter had a readied action... shouldn't she had triggered back then?

[Sallera]

Anisimovna:

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Hm, looks like we do need a rewind to that point, actually. In your Round 9 turn, when you moved to E8, you also had previously unmentioned LoS to Tierhüter in O12; would that have changed your action?

[candycorn]

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Yes. Adjusted turn:

I should have cover from the H9-H18(+10), even if there is LOS. Provided that's true, I'll continue the move south to E14.

Swift: Move from E14 to E20, then back to E19. From that position, I should have LOS to just one opponent (Aguacatl)

Hide for second move: (1d20+11)[26]
MS for second move: (1d20+6)[19]

Ready action: attack Aguacatl if he Attempts to move to a square that would increase his cover to me, attempts to move greater than 60 feet away from me, attempts any standard action, attempts to move to a square that would have LOS without cover to me, or ends turn.

[Sallera]

Refs:

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Nyar.

Tierhüter:

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Aguacatl is in L15. Tunatl is in L14.

Anisimovna:

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Tierhüter is in O12. One of his dogs is in M14. Aguacatl is in L15. Tunatl is in L14. Taking a second move doesn't give you another Hide roll, by the way; it's generally one per round without some ability that says otherwise.

Aguacatl:

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Anisimovna moves south out of sight, then back to E19, and readies an action. Tierhüter is in O12. His dogs are in N14 and M14.

Rewind to Tierhüter, Round 9.

[candycorn]

@Sallera:

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Your Hide check is opposed by the Spot check of anyone who might see you. You can move up to one-half your normal speed and hide at no penalty. When moving at a speed greater than one-half but less than your normal speed, you take a -5 penalty. It’s practically impossible (-20 penalty) to hide while attacking, running or charging...

...If people are observing you, even casually, you can’t hide. You can run around a corner or behind cover so that you’re out of sight and then hide, but the others then know at least where you went.

Action

Usually none. Normally, you make a Hide check as part of movement, so it doesn’t take a separate action. However, hiding immediately after a ranged attack (see Sniping, above) is a move action.

The bolded text is what I am doing. Running around a corner, and then hiding. It is also a seperate instance of movement, which is spell-like in nature (Comp Champ, p. 52). Since hide checks are attempted as a part of movement, it would seem that different instances of movement require new rolls.

The specific thing I am attempting is explicitly laid out in the hide skill description. Where is the justification for disallowing it?