Warhammer 40K Tabletop X: "Everybody Expects The Inquisition!"

[Penguinizer]

Is there any way to make Leman Russ spam work in general for the IG? Or just Tankspam?

Maybe a back line of actual Leman Russes and front line of chaff to guard them.

[Timberwolf]

Had my first go at a game from the battle missions book. It had a quite fun little rule where we got orbital bombardments where we put a large blast template over where a little piece of paper dropped from 36" landed. My poor opponant had his back line's shield drones destroyed, which helped immeasurably when I finally got to assault him.

[Lowkey Lyesmith]

So as a new player to warhammer 40.000 tabletop I think of a shiny ork army.

I got myself a codex and the big nice rulebook to decide what units to buy.

Closet_Skeleton covered much of what I would hava said. But I do want to point out that your above post containes a paradox.

Shiny+Orks.

[Bouregard]

Closet_Skeleton covered much of what I would hava said. But I do want to point out that your above post containes a paradox.

Shiny+Orks.

There is something called flashgits you know? Oh and if my boys happen to find some shiny new toys they will be shiny for at least a few hours... or how long it takes a mekboy to orkify it.


But of course you're right a ork vehicle should look like being scrapped twice already.

[hamishspence]

There's also Stormboyz- ork adolescents that rebel against their scruffy, anarchic elders, by being smart and disciplined.

[Lowkey Lyesmith]

There's also Stormboyz- ork adolescents that rebel against their scruffy, anarchic elders, by being smart and disciplined.

Good points all around. However flash gitz are not Shiny, they have flashy weapons. Big differnce. And the fact that an Ork can pick upp a shiny object in no way makes them shiny

And stormboys are definantly not shiny, just clever (by ork standards).

However I admit it's not a paradox, just darn rare for Orks to be shiny

[Penguinizer]

Go Go Jervis Johnson. That ones a fun mission.

[onasuma]

Can someone remind me if there is a apocylpse formation of soulgrinders? Im mid way through a 5th (just because I like daemons and tanks) and would like to know if they have a particular use.

[Tome]

I remember seeing at least one somewhere. Gimme a sec to look it up.

EDIT Yep, Host of the Daemon Forge, page 62 of Apocalypse Reloaded. Uses 3-9 Soulgrinders.

[Irbis]

Good points all around. However flash gitz are not Shiny, they have flashy weapons. Big differnce. And the fact that an Ork can pick upp a shiny object in no way makes them shiny

How about the one with the armour made from melted gold teeth?

[Ninja Chocobo]

For example for foot orks 20-24 strong mobs with a nob with power klaw is kind of the default good option.

Ideally Shoota Boyz, at that.

Also having your KFF Mek in a Wagon is a good choice, because you get an extra few inches of KFF for your troops.

There is something called flashgits you know?

oh god no

Also:

Q. How are the boomgun and other weapons
mounted on a Looted Wagon?
A. Players are free to mount the weapons on
their converted or scratch-built models however
they see fit (i.e. in a turret, sponson, hull or
otherwise), as long as this is absolutely clear by
looking at the model.

[hamishspence]

And stormboys are definantly not shiny, just clever (by ork standards).

The original phrasing in Codex Imperialis:

It is a very curious phenomenon that while human youngsters are often anarchic and wild, Stormboyz are exactly the opposite: they are rebelliously smart and stern!

The adult Orks find the constant parading and boot polishing of the Stormboyz distinctly odd and quite funny, but the Stormboyz take it all very seriously indeed.

The Stormboyz are naturally eager to get into battle where they can put their battle-drill into practice. They accompany the Orks to war, marching stoically behind the wild and noisy Orks, trying hard to look as smart and well-drilled as possible.

strongly suggests the "shiny" version of smart.

The "boot-polishing" line is also used in 5E Codex Orks:

The older Orks view all this parading, boot polishing and voluntary obedience with something between amusement and contempt, but the Stormboyz take it very seriously indeed.

[Closet_Skeleton]

There's also Stormboyz- ork adolescents that rebel against their scruffy, anarchic elders, by being smart and disciplined.

I thought they'd axed that fluff and turned Stormboys into just ork assault marines? Zagstruck's fluff in that book seemed to imply that Stormboys are just a subset of Speed Freaks and the rest of the fluff seemed to ignore 2nd ed fluff in exchange for Gorkamorka fluff.

At least that was more or less true in 3rd ed. Haven't read the latest book properly due to not owning it. If it has turned Stormboys back into being rebelious youths (that happen to have rocket packs) I'd be happy.

The original phrasing in Codex Imperialis

Ere We Go! and Waaagh da orks! fleshed out stormboys heavily before Codex: Imperialis, which just sumerises stuff from them (the non-ork parts of the book did add new stuff though).

[hamishspence]

If it has turned Stormboys back into being rebelious youths (that happen to have rocket packs) I'd be happy.

C:I is the earliest book I have to hand, anyway.

Codex Orks 5E (strictly, very late 4E) also has:

Orks grow up faster than humans, but young Orks sometimes take a year or so to find their place in Ork society. This can lead to feelings of rebelliousness and anger in an Ork youngster, and he may run off to join a Stormboy camp, especially if he is a military-minded Goff of Blood Axe. These camps provide direction for Orks who are sick of being told they can do whatever they like. Young Orks can become addicted to the regimented life of a Stormboy, and dedicate their lives to the time-honoured martial disciplines of drilling, marching, and hurtling through the air.

So, yes, it's a throwback to older editions.

The 3E one had very little to say about Stormboyz:

Stormboyz are fierce Ork warriors who are willing to gamble with their lives (and their sanity) by strapping on crude Ork rokkit packs to blast them toward the enemy.

so the later codex is more detailed in that respect.

[Lowkey Lyesmith]

How about the one with the armour made from melted gold teeth?

Funny, there is a saying in swedish that translated would go like this "The exception proves the rule."

However I bow to the greater expertice shown by my fellow playgrounders in the field of Orks and their culture (and I also completly forgot about the shoe polishing bit in the Stormboyz fluff).

But to talk about something completly different. What is the preferable ammunition for Medusas and why?

Also, is it worth it getting 3 hydras in a unit? It's only 225 p for quite alot of long range firepower.

[Irbis]

So, yes, it's a throwback to older editions.

The only problem being that both halves do not glue well at all.

[Craftworld]

Also, is it worth it getting 3 hydras in a unit? It's only 225 p for quite alot of long range firepower.

I would assume so, even though I haven't fielded them. They would be best against armies like Mech Orks or Dark Eldar because the Str 7 no cover save rounds will punch great big holes in them and send those vehicles right into the ground. Also they will do the same to most walkers short of a Venerable (it has AV 13 front right?) and other Dread because most of them have lighter armor. Go for it if you want and tell me/us when you do!

[onasuma]

I remember seeing at least one somewhere. Gimme a sec to look it up.

EDIT Yep, Host of the Daemon Forge, page 62 of Apocalypse Reloaded. Uses 3-9 Soulgrinders.

Ah great... Now I have to build another 4

[Incomp]

That's the one that lets you assault straight out of deep strike, right? Good times.

[Ninja Chocobo]

Funny, there is a saying in swedish that translated would go like this "The exception proves the rule."

Which in English uses the old definition of "proves" which means "tests"; reversing the meaning of the phrase.

Str 7 no cover save rounds will punch great big holes in them

It only nullifies cover saves gained from Fast Skimmers moving Flat Out, or Bikes Turbo-Boosting.

Also, you're Guard. Don't you have enough cheap Autocannons?

[Lowkey Lyesmith]

Which in English uses the old definition of "proves" which means "tests"; reversing the meaning of the phrase.

It only nullifies cover saves gained from Fast Skimmers moving Flat Out, or Bikes Turbo-Boosting.

Also, you're Guard. Don't you have enough cheap Autocannons?

Ya, bad call from my part. Should have said "confirm" instead of "proves". There is nothing in the swedish word that would imply it means "tests". It's a a swedish rule in the spelling of some words that break all the normal spelling rules.

I know it only ignores skimmer/bikes cover saves. But 6 twin-linked long barreled autocannon +3 heavy bolters in the hull is quite alot. To get the same firepower with infantry I would need to spenda at least 310 p.
Infantry platoon comand with heavy bolter +2 infantry squads with heavy bolter +2heavy weapon teams with autocannons.

And they would not be twin-linked or long ranged.

So I guess if I want to go all infantry, I use that option (but add plasma guns and vox). But if I'd like to go lots and lots of tanks. Well 3 Hydras sounds fun

[Ninja Chocobo]

Ya, bad call from my part. Should have said "confirm" instead of "proves". There is nothing in the swedish word that would imply it means "tests". It's a a swedish rule in the spelling of some words that break all the normal spelling rules.

The idiom in English uses "proves". It developed as something completely different, but was never meant to mean "confirms". That's just silly.

And they would not be twin-linked or long ranged.

6 TLAC gives you, statistically, the same returns as 9 AC (at BS3). 4x Heavy Weapon Squads gives you equivalent firepower with greater flexibility but less range, at 300 points.
I thought you had to pay extra for bolters on the Hydras, so they're more viable than I thought. Whoops.

[Winterwind]

The idiom in English uses "proves". It developed as something completely different, but was never meant to mean "confirms". That's just silly.

He's not speaking about the English idiom though, he's speaking about the Swedish one.
We have that in German, too, by the way, "Ausnahmen bestätigen die Regel"; it definitely means "exceptions confirm the rule", and is used to signify that exceptions to everything are to be expected, and just because something happens to have an exception in some particular case doesn't mean it is wrong in general.

[EleventhHour]

Hmm... This has given me a silly idea...

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HQ
Company Command Squad - Carapace Armour & Autocannon - 80

Troops
Platoon Command Squad - Autocannon - 40
Infantry Squad - Autocannon - 60
Infantry Squad - Autocannon - 60
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90

Platoon Command Squad - Autocannon - 40
Infantry Squad - Autocannon - 60
Infantry Squad - Autocannon - 60
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90

Heavy Support
Hydra x3 - 225
Hydra x3 - 225

--1750
-41 Autocannons

Goodbye light armour!

[Lowkey Lyesmith]

The idiom in English uses "proves". It developed as something completely different, but was never meant to mean "confirms". That's just silly.

He's not speaking about the English idiom though, he's speaking about the Swedish one.
We have that in German, too, by the way, "Ausnahmen bestätigen die Regel"; it definitely means "exceptions confirm the rule", and is used to signify that exceptions to everything are to be expected, and just because something happens to have an exception in some particular case doesn't mean it is wrong in general.

As Winterwind said we are talking about different languages. In swedish it's "Undantaget bekräftar regeln". And the meaning is the same as the german version. I am however not suprised that they have alomst the exact same rule saying in german since swedish is very, very influenced by german.

6 TLAC gives you, statistically, the same returns as 9 AC (at BS3). 4x Heavy Weapon Squads gives you equivalent firepower with greater flexibility but less range, at 300 points.
I thought you had to pay extra for bolters on the Hydras, so they're more viable than I thought. Whoops.

But for 300 points you could get 4 Hydras. And also to get 4 heavy weapon squads you also have to have a platoon comand squad and 2 infantry squads and thats at least another 130 points

That's why in my example I came to 310 point minimum.

But I like this, you are giving me something to think about.

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Hmm... This has given me a silly idea...

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HQ
Company Command Squad - Carapace Armour & Autocannon - 80

Troops
Platoon Command Squad - Autocannon - 40
Infantry Squad - Autocannon - 60
Infantry Squad - Autocannon - 60
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90

Platoon Command Squad - Autocannon - 40
Infantry Squad - Autocannon - 60
Infantry Squad - Autocannon - 60
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90
Heavy Weapons Squad - Autocannons - 90

Heavy Support
Hydra x3 - 225
Hydra x3 - 225

--1750
-41 Autocannons

Goodbye light armour!

Holy ****!

[Penguinizer]

Would this IG list work:

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HQ: Primaris Psyker. 70

Troops:
Veterans, 3x Melta, Demolitions, Chimera. 185
Veterans, 3x Melta, Demolitions, Chimera. 185
Veterans, Heavy Flamer, 2x Flamer, Demolitions, Chimera, double HF. 185

Fast Attack:
3x Scout Sentinel, Autocannons. 120
3x Scout Sentinel, Autocannons. 120
3x Scout Sentinel, Autocannons. 120

Heavy Support:
Leman Russ, HB Sponsons. 170
Leman Russ, HB Sponsons. 170
Leman Russ, HB Sponsons. 170

I am lacking 9 sentinels from this list, but I think I can think of something on time. I can propably macgyver a scratchbuilt Chimera from one of the scratch-built tanks I have. I don't know if 6 meltas and the russes are enough anti-armor. It should have enough anti-infantry though.

[Tren]

The idiom in English uses "proves". It developed as something completely different, but was never meant to mean "confirms". That's just silly.

Living in the US, I've never personally heard it used as "the exception that tests the rule". Also, it derives from the latin exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis ("the exception confirms the rule in cases not excepted").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_exc...roves_the_rule

Also, having been on the receiving end of multiple Hydras, I can tell you it was an unpleasant experience. For their points cost, they're phenomenal suppression fire. Taking 3 in a squad might be overkill, but 2 squads of 2 are downright scary.

[EleventhHour]

Actually, to put how many autocannons that is into hilarious perspective :

There are more autocannons than lasguns in that army.

[Lowkey Lyesmith]

Imperial guard 1500 points list.

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Command squad. Medic pack. Vox. Officer of the fleet and Astropath. 145

5 Storm troopers with 2 meltaguns. 105
Valkyrie. Multi-laser, Missile pods. 130

Platoon command. Vox, Lascannon. 55
1st squad Vox, plasmagun lascannon. 90
2nd squad Vox, plasmagun lascannon. 90
3rd squad Vox, plasmagun lascannon. 90

Veterans. Grenadiers. 3 meltaguns. Powerfist. 145
Chimera extra armour. 70.

3 Hydras. 225
1 Colussos. 140
1 Colussos.140

1425 points all in all.

What should I do with the last 75 points. I feel the list lacks anti-tank. Suggestions?

[Timberwolf]

Just a quick question, I'm planning a group of sniper scouts as I have precisely nothing that'll help against MC's. I can blow up tanks all day, but high toughness, multiwound is an issue. Also the only things that get Hellfire rounds in the BA codex are Sternguard and Tycho, neither of which I really want. I also think they'll do better than a Tac Squad for what I want a squad of shooty marines for, namely sitting back and objective sitting while providing fire support where that extra 12" range will be useful.

Anyway, I'm planning 8 rifles and a missile launcher, but can I give the sergeant a rifle ? The codex says any model can take one, but then it gives other options for the sergeant. I think I can have 9 rifles, but would appreciate clarity.