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    Quote Originally Posted by Illven View Post
    I have no idea what you're asking
    I'm asking if Bloodedge would be okay with Ashley risking Joli getting killed. I'd also like to ask, how do you determine what the enemy AI does? I don't see why it's such a big issue for enemy Joli to simply attack Elizabeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illven View Post
    80% which true hit makes 92.20
    What exactly is this "true hit" formula?

    And in that case, maybe he should just attack... No, better yet. Hehwi moves to T28 and attacks the knight. The dancer dances for Delila who moves down and kills the shaman. Crisis averted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Starsign View Post
    I'm asking if Bloodedge would be okay with Ashley risking Joli getting killed. I'd also like to ask, how do you determine what the enemy AI does? I don't see why it's such a big issue for enemy Joli to simply attack Elizabeth.
    Look at it this way, suppose Illven used a number randomizer to select targets. Elizabeth and Ashley are in range. Elizabeth can't counter ranged, but Ashley can. Elizabeth is also a lord. Suppose Illven used a 75 or under attacks Elizabeth, 76 or higher attacks Ashley. If it's rolling high, Joli's screwed. (Keep in mind, this is all very hypothetical.) As I said before, mooks tend to impale themselves upon Jeigan's lance before attacking Marth when they're both in range, so there must be some sort of formula. Even enemy recruitable units will attack ruthlessly.

    Factors could include Ashley's lower defense and level, and lower damage output per hit. All very hypothetical, but it gives the sense of a more randomized attack.

    Not trying to argue, just giving a hypothetical explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starsign View Post
    I'm asking if Bloodedge would be okay with Ashley risking Joli getting killed. I'd also like to ask, how do you determine what the enemy AI does? I don't see why it's such a big issue for enemy Joli to simply attack Elizabeth.
    Because Joli can crit you not Elizabeth

    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinator View Post
    What exactly is this "true hit" formula?

    And in that case, maybe he should just attack... No, better yet. Hehwi moves to T28 and attacks the knight. The dancer dances for Delila who moves down and kills the shaman. Crisis averted.
    It's in the gba I roll twice average them, and that's the number I see if hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illven View Post
    Because Joli can crit you not Elizabeth
    ..Yet another factor I've neglected to notice.


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    Well... I'd rather not risk it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illven View Post
    Because Joli can crit you not Elizabeth
    ...Oh, what's the crit chance? ^^;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starsign View Post
    ...Oh, what's the crit chance? ^^;
    1% But he can kill you not Elizabeth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illven View Post
    1% But he can kill you not Elizabeth
    Alright then, I'll move to T21 instead. I feel had I not you'd either kill Joli (by no critical) or Ashley (due to critical) due to your actions and please no one. Sorry for lagging the game by two pages, hope to see the next turn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starsign View Post
    Alright then, I'll move to T21 instead. I feel had I not you'd either kill Joli (by no critical) or Ashley (due to critical, possibly not because of the 1% chance if you know what I mean ) due to your actions and please no one. Sorry for lagging the game by two pages, hope to see the next turn.
    Nope. That's Luc's spot.


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    Nope. That's Luc's spot.
    Oh, sorry. V20 then

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    Oh, sorry. V20 then
    That's still in range of Joli, since Elizabeth is in V19.

    Try U21.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinator View Post
    That's still in range of Joli, since Elizabeth is in V19.

    Try U21.
    Okay, thanks. U21. Sorry for causing so much trouble again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinator View Post
    ...And I guess you were right, I managed to miss seeing 4is' post, despite skimming through twice. ...But it's probably better for Hehwi to retreat now.
    I disagree. Hehwi can one shot the shaman, and non of the other enemys near by can touch him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4is111 View Post
    I disagree. Hehwi can one shot the shaman, and non of the other enemys near by can touch him.
    Provide you hit. You can very well miss as much as Joli could crit Ashley (which is much more likely than you think, considering all that I needlessly put him through recently ^^;) I suggest you run before you completely get everyone killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starsign View Post
    Provide you hit. You can very well miss as much as Joli could crit Ashley (which is much more likely than you think, considering all that I needlessly put him through recently ^^;) I suggest you run before you completely get everyone killed.
    If everyone dies it won't be because I engaged the enemy at the rear. Hehwi can take all the enemies at the rear, probably. I forget, is Illven using true hit or simple hit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4is111 View Post
    If everyone dies it won't be because I engaged the enemy at the rear. Hehwi can take all the enemies at the rear, probably. I forget, is Illven using true hit or simple hit?
    Unless more shamans appear at the rear, did you even consider that Illven can just spawn shamans and other magic users at the rear for like 10 turns? You're not gonna last out like that, and you can't support either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinator View Post
    What exactly is this "true hit" formula?

    And in that case, maybe he should just attack... No, better yet. Hehwi moves to T28 and attacks the knight. The dancer dances for Delila who moves down and kills the shaman. Crisis averted.
    Quote Originally Posted by 4is111 View Post
    I disagree. Hehwi can one shot the shaman, and non of the other enemys near by can touch him.
    No, see, this way, we know that the shaman is killed, and Delila's got good enough defense to take a couple hits from the knights. The thieves can't even touch her.

    Especially since Niek already has Delila headed into range of the knights. Trust me for once, 4is. I spent like 45 minutes planning everything.
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    Don't forget there could be more reinforcements. If there are, Delila and Hehwi will get killed, so don't go hanging out there too long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starsign View Post
    Don't forget there could be more reinforcements. If there are, Delila and Hehwi will get killed, so don't go hanging out there too long.
    Well, they never listen to my plans, so they'll probably get themselves killed no matter what anyone else says.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4is111 View Post
    If everyone dies it won't be because I engaged the enemy at the rear. Hehwi can take all the enemies at the rear, probably. I forget, is Illven using true hit or simple hit?
    True hit

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    Unless more shamans appear at the rear, did you even consider that Illven can just spawn shamans and other magic users at the rear for like 10 turns? You're not gonna last out like that, and you can't support either.
    The reinforcement table has already been worked out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illven View Post
    The reinforcement table has already been worked out.
    That's not to say it doesn't include more shaman(s). There were two thieves that appeared, it's only symmetrical to think that another shaman would be down there.


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    Well, they never listen to my plans, so they'll probably get themselves killed no matter what anyone else says.
    True. By the last few maps I wouldn't be surprised if we fight enemies 10 levels below us just so we can stand a chance.

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    The reinforcement table has already been worked out.
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    That's not to say it doesn't include more shaman(s). There were two thieves that appeared, it's only symmetrical to think that another shaman would be down there.
    Hence the worry of more appearing, Delila will get creamed if she's surrounded on all sided and Hehwi is preoccupied with other enemies. Well, at least the two could get a support with each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starsign View Post
    Hence the worry of more appearing, Delila will get creamed if she's surrounded on all sided and Hehwi is preoccupied with other enemies. Well, at least the two could get a support with each other.
    Actually, Hehwi's level isn't so great.

    And I think Hehwi managed to get a hit in on all the knights, so with the dancer there, he could take them both out next turn, unless the dancer gets surrounded. Still, it's really risky without a healer down there, and we need at least one of them up with us to heal Soth at turn's end, 'cause he'll be a mess, most likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinator View Post
    Actually, Hehwi's level isn't so great.

    And I think Hehwi managed to get a hit in on all the knights, so with the dancer there, he could take them both out next turn, unless the dancer gets surrounded. Still, it's really risky without a healer down there, and we need at least one of them up with us to heal Soth at turn's end, 'cause he'll be a mess, most likely.
    What does level have to do with supports?

    If the dancer can't get to Hehwi, it might cause a problem, zerg enemy rush can really screw a couple characters over after all.

    Who are we waiting on again? 4is111 seems adamant on his decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starsign View Post
    What does level have to do with supports?

    If the dancer can't get to Hehwi, it might cause a problem, zerg enemy rush can really screw a couple characters over after all.

    Who are we waiting on again? 4is111 seems adamant on his decision.
    Uh... Reed? I think? And decision on what happens with the dancer. If Hehwi doesn't get his move changed, I suggest we still give the dancer to Delila, who can take out a knight.

    My move is the same as the one in my plan, so I didn't see a need to repost it.

    Luc moves to T21.

    Oh, and as for the level part, I forgot that I'd removed the first part of the quote, so it was more relevant to that.
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    Well, they never listen to my plans, so they'll probably get themselves killed no matter what anyone else says.
    I listen to plans...

    Delila just loves charging off headfirst into the battle regardless of safety.

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    I listen to plans...

    Delila just loves charging off headfirst into the battle regardless of safety.
    Eh. That's true, I suppose. Either way, one of you two needs to accept the dancer's dance for this turn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Starsign View Post
    Unless more shamans appear at the rear, did you even consider that Illven can just spawn shamans and other magic users at the rear for like 10 turns? You're not gonna last out like that, and you can't support either.
    Yeah, but as the GM Illven could just spawn a level 30 whatever wherever he wanted. Entering the map we're working off the assumption that it is winnable, so I'd be very surprized if anything close to that nasty happened, though I suppose it is a possiblity. Even if it did happen, the whole map is litered with spell caster. I don't see anywhere else Hehwi would stand much of a chance or potencially kill so many enemies. I honestly don't think it's necessary to send anyone else down there as they'll just draw enemies away from Hehwi, denying him counterattacks.
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