General Exalted Discussion III: Weddings Are An Act of Villainy

[SurlySeraph]

Yo Desus I heard you like domestic abuse so I put wives in your wives so you can beat while you beat.
Dragnar: (20:09:52) ...
haricotvertgb: (20:09:56) That sounds nasty
Lix Lorn: (20:10:03) ...
ReynardSHS: (20:10:05) Depends
ReynardSHS: (20:10:08) On what the wives that were put into the wives were.

Oh, that's easy, Ant and Starfish Trick. Boom, matryoshka Liliths.
Also, since Lilith was Waning Moon, she had the anima power to look like any person she knew. Including being physically male, since she had Twin-Faced Hero. Being able to order your wife to turn into any group of people you know opens up whole new realms of badwrong.

[Tavar]

Water Aspects don't pay the surcharge on any Martial Arts charms.

Not true. They don't pay the normal Dragonblooded surcharge, true, but they do pay out of aspect penalties for some. They resonate with all 5 Gaian elements, but not with other ones.

[Indon]

Him and Desus.

When he was a younger and less crazy Solar, he probably helped to forge the diplomatic agreements that allow Eclipse castes in the 2nd age to not die instantly in all sorts of place - and if not him, then whatever Golden Hero Vassal used to have his shard.

I mean, the canon implies that the Solars don't bust out with their full crazy until they're quite old. Or Essence 7 with Power From Darkness.

[Yuki Akuma]

How about Dragon-Blooded akuma? Would they be able to use a Vitriol-aspected TMA safely?

GSPs would, naturally, but I'm not sure why they'd invent one.

...For that matter, DB Akuma would be able to learn CMAs anyway...

I guess it'd be for... first-circle demons and mortal akuma/demon-blooded?

[TheCountAlucard]

I mean, the canon implies that the Solars don't bust out with their full crazy until they're quite old. Or Essence 7 with Power From Darkness.

Actually, you can bust into it with Essence 5, now.

[Sanguine]

How about Dragon-Blooded akuma? Would they be able to use a Vitriol-aspected TMA safely?

GSPs would, naturally, but I'm not sure why they'd invent one.

...For that matter, DB Akuma would be able to learn CMAs anyway...

I guess it'd be for... first-circle demons and mortal akuma/demon-blooded?

Any of the ones you mentioned plus Infernal Half-Castes and Higher Circle Demons would almost definitely be able to. At least in my opinion. As for why a GSP would invent one they do have a Charm to lower the cost of TMAs just like all Celestials. Also TMAs are cool, Vitriol ones would be especially so.

[Lochar]

This is tempting to think about and create. And since it's a TMA, it doesn't have to be thematically correct with any Yozi.

How about the last vestige of the King of the Primordials, with the original idea of the element, not the Yozi infested caustic acid is has become?

[Yuki Akuma]

The original idea of the element was that it's a pure solvent that can dissolve anything, wasn't it?

I was thinking along those lines. Weakening foes and such?

[Lochar]

Passive and reactive in nature, it was designed by the Primordials to catalyze evolutionary transformation in matter and Essence. But in the millennia since the Primordial War, the Yozis’ loathing for their jailers, their captivity and their own broken natures has permeated the very nature of vitriol, infusing it with their hate. Now, it consumes all that it encounters.

Not exactly.

[Yuki Akuma]

See this is what happens when all my PDFs are on the hard drive that isn't working.

Okay thanks. So, a 'transformative' martial art? Hm...

[Lochar]

Hmm, a TMA based off of the way it was, and then a CMA based off the way it is now.


Also, I'm debating trying to build what a Vitriol aspected DB would look like, what would happen if the Yozi got their hands on the framework for the Dragonblood caste that Autobot made.

[Indon]

Actually, you can bust into it with Essence 5, now.

Does Power From Darkness have errata that lowers its' minimum Essence, or is there another trick to drop yourself to zero limit?

[TheCountAlucard]

Does Power From Darkness have errata that lowers its' minimum Essence?

Well, yeah, it got errata to lower its minimum Essence to 6. However, you also take Divine Transcendence of Occult, and then its minimums are Occult 5, Essence 5.

[Indon]

Well, yeah, it got errata to lower its minimum Essence to 6. However, you also take Supreme Perfection of Occult, and then its minimums are Occult 5, Essence 5.

Fair enough.

Also, I'm debating trying to build what a Vitriol aspected DB would look like, what would happen if the Yozi got their hands on the framework for the Dragonblood caste that Autobot made.

Hmm.

This take is from the approach of making vitriol with the other elements as a baseline:

Martial Arts to embody the fluidity of Water.
Medicine to embody the mutation of life of Wood.
Athletics to embody the energy of Fire.
Craft to embody the potential of Earth to change other forces.
Occult to embody the element's Air-like link to Creation's primal forces.

DB's of the aspect of Vitriol want to change the world, and want to change themselves to better change the world. They are inclined towards innovative thoughts and revolutionary beliefs. Their anima power allows them to transmute their body into a liquid... providing some kind of defensive benefit.

[MickJay]

Not true. They don't pay the normal Dragonblooded surcharge, true, but they do pay out of aspect penalties for some. They resonate with all 5 Gaian elements, but not with other ones.

They also start paying a surcharge on everything (including their own aspect charms) while they're learning an Immaculate style different from their aspect (this goes away once they've mastered it).

[senrath]

Well, yeah, it got errata to lower its minimum Essence to 6. However, you also take Supreme Perfection of Occult, and then its minimums are Occult 5, Essence 5.

What? The scroll of errata copy I have doesn't adjust its min stats and it no longer reduces max limit.

[Indon]

What? The scroll of errata copy I have doesn't adjust its min stats and it no longer reduces max limit.

Really? So it's that Eclipse-caste power, but better, with no downside?

Eew.

[TheCountAlucard]

What? The scroll of errata copy I have doesn't adjust its min stats and it no longer reduces max limit.

Blast, you're right! My mistake.

Eew.

Not quite; it's not that good. See, instead of permanently learning the Charms, you're instead committing three motes per Charm, and a Willpower, and as long as that's committed, you're considered to know the Charms in question. On the other hand, you cannot place any such Charms in a Combo, nor can you use it to learn spells. Also, it can only be activated on Calibration. Now, the tricksy part is that instead of permanently reducing your Limit track, you instead simply gain one more Limit in any situation you'd normally accumulate Limit.

So, you're still more quick to Limit Break, and if you've got that paired up with Epic Zeal of, say, Conviction, your Deliberate Cruelty character is going to gain 6 Limit every scene in which you get stressed out (probably often, considering how the Deliberative worked)... 7 Limit if you have a Green Iron Heart. Tack Glory to the Most High on that, and you'll have 2 more Limit every day you want to have a higher Essence... Factor in the fact that resisting UMI now gives you 2 Limit, instead of 1... Throw in the fact that you'll also gain 7 Limit every time you want to supress Conviction, and by my estimates, you should be Limit Breaking every day.

[Indon]

Not quite; it's not that good. See, instead of permanently learning the Charms, you're instead committing three motes per Charm, and a Willpower, and as long as that's committed, you're considered to know the Charms in question. On the other hand, you cannot place any such Charms in a Combo, nor can you use it to learn spells. Also, it can only be activated on Calibration. Now, the tricksy part is that instead of permanently reducing your Limit track, you instead simply gain one more Limit in any situation you'd normally accumulate Limit.

So, you're still more quick to Limit Break, and if you've got that paired up with Epic Zeal of, say, Conviction, your Deliberate Cruelty character is going to gain 6 Limit when you get stressed out...

Hmm. I'm kind of leaning towards the un-errata'd version; it better explains the Solar's role in the Usurpation, and introduces a broad and solid craziness mechanic for bored elder Solars.

I suppose it wouldn't be hard to have both versions of the charm in a game, just rename the charms. Maybe "Dark Power Assumption" for the temporary version, and "Creation-Reaving Assumption" for the permanent version.

[TheCountAlucard]

Hmm. I'm kind of leaning towards the un-errata'd version; it better explains the Solar's role in the Usurpation, and introduces a broad and solid craziness mechanic for bored elder Solars.

Why? They've got plenty of both already. Explanation for their role in the Usurpation, and craziness mechanics, I mean.

[The_Snark]

Blast, you're right! My mistake.

It's still available to Solars under the age of 100, though, through a combination of Glory to the Most High and Supreme Perfection of Occult. If you don't mind driving yourself absolutely bonkers with Limit, that is.

[TheCountAlucard]

By the way, just got back from an Alice in Wonderland-themed "Unbirthday Party" at the college. They had a teacup-painting contest, such that whoever's work was judged best would receive a DVD or somesuch. My entry had five of the Yozis on it.

Everyone told me the Ebon Dragon looked awesome, but I still didn't win.

[Reynard]

It's still available to Solars under the age of 100, though, through a combination of Glory to the Most High and Supreme Perfection of Occult. If you don't mind driving yourself absolutely bonkers with Limit, that is.

I don't see how getting more dice from Occult Excellencies helps them ignore prerequisites.

[TheCountAlucard]

I don't see how getting more dice from Occult Excellencies helps them ignore prerequisites.

Divine Transcendence of Occult, then.

[The_Snark]

Right. The one from the Dreams of the First Age errata.

Also, I really want to see that teacup. Any chance you can upload a picture of it?

[Reynard]

Also, I really want to see that teacup. Any chance you can upload a picture of it?

Seconded, sounds interesting.

[TheCountAlucard]

Right. The one from the Dreams of the First Age errata.

Also, I really want to see that teacup. Any chance you can upload a picture of it?

Seconded, sounds interesting.

Actually, mine was a teapot.

Still, I dunno, I did it kinda hastily; the only Yozi that looked particularly good was the Ebon Dragon.

I might do it, but I'd prefer to redo it, and take some more time.

[The_Snark]

Actually, mine was a teapot.

All the better to encompass the glory of the Yozis!

Ideally, it would be a whole teaset. The centerpiece, of course, would be Malfeas, the Brazen Teapot! 'Ware when he boils over, for his whistling is as the blare of a thousand trumpets, and the steam he vents is green and deathly poisonous! Cecelyne would be a wide silver saucer. She Who Lives In Her Name is a set of crystalline stirring spoons, with a slightly different sized spoon for every conceivable variety of tea. Adorjan is the milk carafe, but she's always empty.

The Ebon Dragon is a sugar bowl, but contains salt instead of sugar.


... anyway, my silliness aside, I'd love to see whatever you come up with when you're done.

[Yuki Akuma]

Teapots aren't for boiling water and don't whistle. That's kettles.

Teapots brew tea.

*British*

[The_Snark]

*shrug* I'm not much of a tea drinker, and everyone I know skips the teapot and goes straight from kettle to cup. So I s'pose the two have blurred a bit in my mind.

Brazen Kettle isn't half bad either, but it feels a bit silly to have a tea set without a teapot.