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2011-04-10, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Adapting A Swordsage (Unarmed Swordsage Question)
Okay, so I'm a little confused on adapting a swordsage. In the book, it says that swordsages can be adapted to other settings in various ways, but it's a little ... unclear on the specifics. For example, it says that you can remove its light armor proficiency and give it the monk's unarmed strike progression. What exactly does that mean? Does that just mean its unarmed strike damage? I would presume it also gains Improved Unarmed Strike, as otherwise it would be pointless, Does this mean it also gets Flurry of Blows? If not, how can it be adapted to get Flurry of Blows?
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2011-04-10, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Adapting A Swordsage (Unarmed Swordsage Question)
Adaption sections are usually only rough outlines, but if we look into Monk's description, we find this:
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Flurry of Blows being a separate entity.Last edited by Greenish; 2011-04-10 at 12:36 PM.
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2011-04-10, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Adapting A Swordsage (Unarmed Swordsage Question)
As I read it, it follows the following rules;
1. An unarmed swordsage gains the unarmed strike ability of the monk in exchange for his light armor proficiency.
2. An unarmed swordsage's unarmed damage follows the monk's progression
3. Monk levels and unarmed swordsage levels stack when progressing for unarmed damage. Also any prestige class that would say, "Advances Monk Abilities" also advances the unarmed swordsage's unarmed strike progression but nothing else.
4. An unarmed swordsage also counts as a monk for feats, items, and abilities that specifically call for a monk. For example, Superior Unarmed Strike would advance an unarmed swordsage's unarmed strike by 4 levels and not by the table. Also a monk's belt would advance his unarmed damage progression by 5 levels as it would for a monk.Last edited by Alfray Stryke; 2011-04-10 at 12:37 PM.
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2011-04-10, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Adapting A Swordsage (Unarmed Swordsage Question)
That ... also brings up another question. If I then take levels in Kensai, how much XP would it cost to make Unarmed Strike his signature weapon? O.o
That said, is it possible to somehow give UASS the Flurry of Blows? Or am I stuck with feats for getting extra unarmed strikes? If so, which feats would be good for this?Originally Posted by TheAmishPirateSpoiler: Previous Avatars!
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2011-04-10, 01:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Adapting A Swordsage (Unarmed Swordsage Question)
An unarmed strike should be a single natural weapon (110% XP cost). The Kensai description is inconsistent with other uses of unarmed strike, and states that each fist must be paid for as a separate natural weapon (120% XP cost).
That said, is it possible to somehow give UASS the Flurry of Blows? Or am I stuck with feats for getting extra unarmed strikes? If so, which feats would be good for this?Last edited by Cog; 2011-04-10 at 01:09 PM.
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2011-04-10, 01:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Adapting A Swordsage (Unarmed Swordsage Question)
The rules for that are...fuzzy. The text from Kensai reads:
Originally Posted by Complete Warrior pg 51
So, its pretty much up to how your DM rules UASs. If its all one weapon, then the example is wrong, and it should cost you 110% XP to enchant one natural weapon (your UAS). If each striking surface is considered a seperate weapon, as the text for Kensai tends to insinuate, then you'd have to pay 10% extra for each hand, foot, elbow, knee, head, and whatever other surface you wish to hit with, which honestly makes very little sense.
So...yea, the rules are dumb.