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2013-03-07, 01:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Watched this with a friend and we ended up having pretty opposite reactions to the same thing. Namely, that it seems like it was written by someone with bipolar issues. It flips the switch from Host Club to Elfen Lied at the drop of a hat. Which makes it kind of fascinating to me but I can see how others might have issues with what is a very jagged mash up of genre and style.
The main issue I think is the pacing. You can tell it's based on a novel, which is not a good thing. There needs to be a lot more breathing room to actually establish characters and setting.
I also have no idea why I'm enjoying Problem Children. It's one of those shows I'm supposed to dislike, and yet it's oddly entertaining in its own sort of way. There's something about the main character being a Gary Stu that is oddly appealing.
Hm. That explains why it suddenly became an almost different show half way through. The start was a little slow, but I don't think it was too big a problem.
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2013-03-07, 04:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry to complain about anime on the internet but...
SOA, and why it breaks my tiny fragile heart.
SpoilerThe problem I have with this show is that, while good, it squanders it’s potential to be truly excellent. And it could of been excellent, I mean it, the narrative set up alone is amazing; ten thousand players are trapped in a futuristic mmo and are told they must beat the game in order to escape, however death in the game equals death irl.
This is such a powerful narrative hook and it is in turns, fun, deeply psychological, referential to gaming culture, scary and beautifully meta. And while SOA offers some of these things some of the time, it largely falls back on traditional shonen, “who can yell the loudest to defeat the bad guys” tropes. It’s well made but it’s clear that it’s still made for teenage boys, and despite it’s potential ends up playing out a fairly typical, though pleasant, action / romance escape fantasy.
This was disappointing to me, because the narrative scenario had the potential to do something somewhat unique, to blend the complex ideas often only seen in high literature with something genuinely FUN and ACCESSIBLE.
I mean, just imagine what this show could of explored with this set up,
It could of had a lord of the flies-esque struggle in which the players must form a coherent leadership structure in order to beat the game with as few casualties as possible. (which serves as an opportunity to express ruminations about political structures and human nature)
It could of explored all the messy issues between the power we have to fashion digital identifies vs the identities the we have in the real world. (and could of been one of the few scenarios that I think could looked really sincerely into trans issues as well)
It could of had a social divide, in which there was a subsection of people that didn't want to leave the game. This could in turn lead to a conflict based around opposing ideals rather then the childish “good guy bad guy dichotomy” we are all to often stuck with.
It could of had all the tension and trauma of a “battle royal” in the PVP aspect of the game. Looking at what drives people to kill and examining the psychological impact of taking a life. (something I’ve maybe seen two animes do)
It could look at the philosophical and ethical implications of AI. Or the god complex of the games creator, his vision, his fantasy.
I’m just throwing these out, there is so much this anime could of explored. The character studies that could come out of one of these situations alone would be amazing.
This show could of been a true and sincere look at gaming culture and looked at all of this in a light that was referential, refreshing and fun.
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It just retold a coming of age hero arch and mixed in a little romance.
It wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t transcendent of it’s genre. I know i’m probably expecting a bit too much here but when see a show almost but not quite make it, something inside me breaks.
In other news I just finished monster, it's great! but slow, but great! one of those shows that could of used a higher budget though, I would of loved to see a few of the conflict scenes fleshed out.Last edited by Alcopop; 2013-03-07 at 04:18 AM.
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2013-03-07, 04:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-03-07, 05:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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I've finished Devil Survivor 2 (the game) pretty recently. Unfortunately, it has nowhere near the storytelling quality of its predecessor, and I honestly am curious why they chose the more RPG-ish story of the two instead of the much more survival-horror one of the original (all opinion, of course).
Unless if they actually manage to somehow re-introduce the survival horror through clever directing, DS2 is one of those I'll probably pass.
Arata Kangatari's manga was supposed to be pretty good. I'm not sure if it's entertaining good or just "has lots of fanboys/fangirls" good since I haven't read it myself, but I think it might actually be a sleeper 'good series' just based on that alone.
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For some reason, though, I can't shake off the feeling that despite what seems to be an amazing season, some of the hyped series running this time will end up falling short of expectations again. I guess I might be looking for some contrast to the winter season (since so many winter 2013 series turned out way better than expected, so I'm expecting the opposite for spring 2013 for some reason), but there's still that nagging feeling.
I'll definitely give the top 6 on psgel's blog a try, though. I'm also expecting the second season of Railgun to be good (I cheated and read the manga first), and I'll probably give Photo Kano and The “Hentai” Prince and the Stony Cat a try as well, if only in hopes that we'll end up with another Kotoura-san.
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I'm thinking of picking up the LN series and reading that instead, though I probably can't help comparing this to Spice and Wolf now, which might mar my enjoyment of this series.Last edited by Felyndiira; 2013-03-07 at 05:18 AM.
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2013-03-07, 07:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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I've been waiting for a while for Gargantia. The setting looks exactly like my cup of tea. I'm looking forward for it. I'm not really taken by the main mech's design though, which is a shame, because the rest of the design, setting-wise, are awesome for me.
And holy ****, that attack of the titan trailer is awesome. Definitely going to watch it.
And another one that I'm really looking forward to: Space Battleship Yamato's remake! Awesome, I tried to watch the original series back then, but never got too far. Hopefully the remake will do it justice. Too bad that they don't use Leiji Matsumoto's famous style though.You got Magic Mech in My Police Procedural!
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2013-03-07, 07:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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It could of had a lord of the flies-esque struggle in which the players must form a coherent leadership structure in order to beat the game with as few casualties as possible. (which serves as an opportunity to express ruminations about political structures and human nature)
It could of explored all the messy issues between the power we have to fashion digital identifies vs the identities the we have in the real world. (and could of been one of the few scenarios that I think could looked really sincerely into trans issues as well)
As for trans issues, the people whose original avatars were the opposite sex get an off-hand mention or two (Kirito assumes there was some quest which let them change their name/status), and a few appearances in the 4koma; heck, IIRC even the Sword Art Offline omake that came with the DVD talked about it briefly.
It could of had a social divide, in which there was a subsection of people that didn't want to leave the game. This could in turn lead to a conflict based around opposing ideals rather then the childish “good guy bad guy dichotomy” we are all to often stuck with.
It could of had all the tension and trauma of a “battle royal” in the PVP aspect of the game. Looking at what drives people to kill and examining the psychological impact of taking a life. (something I’ve maybe seen two animes do)
It could look at the philosophical and ethical implications of AI. Or the god complex of the games creator, his vision, his fantasy.Last edited by Prime32; 2013-03-07 at 07:51 AM.
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2013-03-07, 08:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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@prime32
The novels might be worth checking out then. My only experience was with the anime.
The identity stuff felt really skipped over. (peoples avatars just being dismissed in the first part) And the trans stuff was non-existent beyond "hey look at the nerds who had female avatars harhar" (which isn't really trans but touches on the issue) and I thought this joke was pretty immature. I can't speak for Japan but I know many Asian mmos have had a pretty negative past with gender identity issues (like the mmo that forced player to prove there gender) so I wasn't really surprised by this.
As I mentioned in my initial post, many interesting issues were touched upon, but I felt only in a very superficial way. nothing was fleshed out, which is a shame because the art, design and premise of this anime were all so stellar. But that's really a problem with my own standards, and less with the anime in question. Oh well back to evangelion wheeeLast edited by Alcopop; 2013-03-07 at 08:33 AM.
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2013-03-07, 09:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Gargantia looks like the most promising show this season. Who knows, maybe I'll finally watch an anime as it comes out again! It's been some time since I've done that.
Tangent: depending on how you define mecha, there's up to 8 new mecha shows this season*. Maybe /m/ will stop whining it never gets new stuff? Ha ha, who am I kidding, of course it won't.
* - Gargantia, Majestic Prince, Valvereave, Tetsujin, Yamato, Robocar Poli, Gundam SEED Destiny remaster, new Gundam Unicorn episode
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2013-03-07, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Robocar Poli for SRW for the win!
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2013-03-07, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Less of a crack choice than Iron Leaguer (SRW Neo) or Miku Fei-Yen (SRW UX).
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2013-03-07, 12:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah SAO is not a very deep show or anything. It's just a shounen battle anime. But it's a pretty good one imho given that I don't hate the protagonist or even any of the side characters and the romance actually goes places.
I'm saying that's caused by the fact that we have not slowed down to actually get to know the characters. It's just been event after event, and the result is that the anime has been more a chronicle of things that happened rather than a narrative.
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2013-03-07, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'M SO EXCITED FOR THESE TWO
Gen has said that Gargantia is thematically about growing out of childhood and into adulthood, a theme that's relevant to me as someone about to graduate college. Coupled with a writer who cannot make mistakes as long as Phantom isn't in the name of what he's writing and you have a recipe for success. It'll be interesting to see how the original mech world he comes from is childish, and how wherever he ends up is more adult.
Anything directed by the same person as Mushishi has to be good, and Flowers of Evil is a pretty solid manga. I'm not nearly as excited for it as for Gargantia, but it should still be awesome.Avatar by Ava
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2013-03-07, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll admit that I hadn't expected to ever see being the director of High School of the Dead mentioned as a positive.
Also, none of these shows stand out to me as something to be hyped for, which isn't really surprising as I tend only to get interested in shows after they start airing and I start getting feedback. None of the names involved really appeals to me either, with Urobuchi being the only one to have any meaning for me and the stuff he's written I've seen has been equally split between great and awful.
On the other hand, in things I do have an opinion on, episode 9 of Tamako Market was amazing. The entire show has had KyoAni animate at their very best, with only the stills of Hyouka managing to beat it in terms of plain visual beauty, along with Naoko Yamada's careful, impressionistic cinematography. I have also enjoyed the writing which has generally managed to mix very real, nuanced emotions with both the shows themes of love, loss and moving and the humor which does take up a solid part of the show. Episode 9 was the absolute apex of that up to this point, with Anko staying the most realistic portrayal of a 10-11 year old girl I can recall seeing, while also letting us in to see Mamedai's inner life and his feelings for his dead wife. I'd elaborate, but not only would it be spoilers, but I'd also need to think things through to point out specifically what made it work and find the relevant bits to express. I would also struggle to really express it due to having no academic background in film studies or anything else relating to the study of art or literature. So instead, I'll just leave my personal judgement here, for debate, inspiration or recommendation.Last edited by Terraoblivion; 2013-03-07 at 05:21 PM.
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2013-03-07, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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How the hell does the romance go anywhere in SAO? I mean in comparision to Guilty Crown it goes somwhere I guess but it was still pretty bad and the show dropped it's premise pretty hard after the third episode outside of a few spots. And we didn't even get the hilarity of glop glop.
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2013-03-07, 07:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Out of curiosity, what would you say was awful?
They get married (in-game, but still). It's heavily implied they have sex in the anime and novels. Say what you will about the quality of the plot or characters, the romance goes somewhere. It's a bit unfortunate that when it develops a little bit Asuna immediately goes full housewife, but that doesn't mean the romance doesn't develop.Avatar by Ava
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2013-03-07, 10:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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@Terra Oh don't get me wrong, High School of the Dead was absolutely awful as a show. I mean I mentioned Guilty Crown as well, and that was also awful. However, in both of those cases, the bad parts were not the directing but the writing. Both of them looked great, and had great presentation and flow, especially in action scenes. With much better source material to adapt, I have every confidence in Araki's talents. Remember the man can make eating a potato chip exciting, I'm sure he can making fighting giants exciting.
Also I hate to get people's hopes up and cause disapointment, but Hiroshi Nagahama should be a name that stands out. If it doesn't, I would highly recommend you watch Mushishi and Detroit Metal City.
@Laudanus Pretty much everyone can agree that all of Gen's work for Nitro+ is absolutely awful besides Saya no Uta. I mean go watch Phantom: Requiem for a Phantom and try to tell me its legitimately good. You won't be able to. Additionally, terra does not care for Fate/Zero, and to keep this thread from becoming a ghost town again, I would urge you to go read earlier parts of this thread instead of bringing the topic back up. Either way Gen's history as a writer is patchy at best, but I like to be optimistic and look at trends rather than entire histories. Also writing for anime is very different from writing light novels or VNs, a fact that Gen has spoken about at length in interviews and Q&A sessions. So, I'll just look at his two most recent efforts, Madoka and Psychopass, and look forward to Gargantia (knowing full well, however, that all the characters will be cardboard cutouts. It can't be helped)
@Fri Actually you don't even have to wait for the Yamato remake. Its actually been steadily coming out direct to dvd for a while now (up to episode 14 or so), and those episodes already have subs. The tv airing will however finish it out before the dvd releases do, and maybe attract faster sub groups.
Also because opinions inspire discussion, and the current season isn't done yet, my personal levels of enjoyment for what I'm still following goes something like (Also I don't even remember whether anybody else is still watching these because we haven't mentioned them in forever):
Chihayafuru S2 >>>>>> Sasami-san@Ganbaranai >> Psycopass > Shinsekai Yori = Jojo's Bizarre Adventure >>>>> Robotics;Note = Vividred Operation
Yes I did drop Tamako Market and Maoyuu but not Vividbutts.
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2013-03-07, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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They actually hook up half way through the first arc, so about a quarter way through overall. Given that the anime baseline is an eternal will they won't they until the last episode with a whole lot of bs in between, that's above average.
The actual content of their relationship is... not bad. We get a decent idea of what they see in each other, and they have pretty good chemistry. It's also a very balanced relationship which is refreshing. Even once Asuna gets damsel-in-distressed in the second arc she still doesn't just sit around and does several things that end up vital to her own rescue.Last edited by HamHam; 2013-03-07 at 10:11 PM.
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2013-03-07, 10:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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I give HOTD some credit, it never ever ever tried to be something it wasn't, it was stupid and hella echii and never tries to be anything else. I don't mind it so much, I cracked out on the manga when it first got released because it was pretty fun and the anime was to. Though certain things were a bit much, mainly matrix boobs.
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2013-03-08, 12:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Attack on Titan is the big thing I am hyped up for. The manga I enjoyed.
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2013-03-08, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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My dislike of the writing in Fate/Zero isn't just about the horrible gender politics, it's also about Kiritsugu being one of the most dull, generic piles of walking manpain and grim grittiness ever. He has so little unique personality that the roughly three quirks and half a personality the Achiga girls from Saki have between them is more than he has. The failure to make him even slightly compelling, the lack of restraint on the length of the flashback of his backstory and the sheer stupidity of him learning that miracles don't happen are all huge problems in terms of pure writing quality. The large number of clichés used, like Maiya's backstory, the very ponderous form the exposition takes and the odd lack of rationality the characters showed when the show called for something bad to happen further drags it down.
Also, I'd encourage you to take Tamako Market back up again. While it is not plotdriven, the themes and how it handles them takes a more prominent place tying the show together very well over the last few episodes, while also giving Kanna more room to be amusingly weird. I can't really think of any anime with more consistently strong characterization than this, even if some characters like Kanna or most of the shopkeepers are painted with broader strokes than the more important ones. Not just that, the latest episode preview suggests that the love triangle that came into its own in episode 5 will see major progression.
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2013-03-10, 03:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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I've just watched the space battleship yamato remake. There are changes. Some I like, some I don't. But I can't believe I'm going to say this. There are times where I prefer the old graphic.
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2013-03-10, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Nah, the CG is mostly decent. It's just some specific moment, like one time when Yamato flies above the ruined earth surface, that really looks like some cg from some cheap game.
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2013-03-12, 12:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ixion Saga DT is the weirdest freaking thing. Like, I guess it's supposed to be a comedy? But at times it's taking itself far too seriously.
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Now that I finally caught up on Attack on Titan (that I've been meaning to do for awhile now), I'm even more stoked. I'm looking forward to see how some of the full scenes with the 3D Maneuver Gear are animated.
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Oh man, reading the summary in wikipedia makes it look indeed unusual, to say the least. Is it any good?
And the thing that make me stoked for Gargantia isn't the production cast, it's the visual examples and the setting/style the give. I mean, look at these.
http://gdgdtrip.com/games-anime/2938
Reminds me on the game Grandia. I hope they can keep the visual qualityand the style in the animation.You got Magic Mech in My Police Procedural!
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2013-03-12, 02:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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I honestly have no idea. The protagonist defeats the bad guys' leader by kicking him in the crotch. And then takes his magic sword. The fact that this results in the amputation of a certain piece of anatomy is a running joke for the next couple of episodes. I... have no words adequate to describe it, really.
EDIT: Like, things like him winning a fight because he attacks while the other guy is doing a power-up cut-scene make me think this is a parody. But too much of what is going on is being played completely straight.
EDIT EDIT: Aaand we just had a scene where his fantasy world companions started dissecting his modern slang.Last edited by HamHam; 2013-03-12 at 02:34 AM.
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So, an Indecisive Parody then?