Things you never noticed II: I never noticed the first thread

[Emperor Flumph]

Having just read SoD, I just noticed that Panel 4 here is a continuation of

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Eugene's encounter with Lord Xyklon the Consequential.

Wow, that was a very good catch.

[martianmister]

In #32 there is a refence to Wizards of the Coast...
A bit subtle....

Subtle?

[BlackestOfMages]

Nope.

One says stuck by lighting. Not stricken by lighting. Stricken in used in contexts of a disease, or similar. Sudden, violent destruction is usually struck (Struck down, Struck by lightning)

double nope.

Stricken is a term used to describe something happening in the present tense, whereas struck is the past tense. As such, if he's refering to something happening at the time, it would be stricken, if he;s refering to something that has occured, it is struck

one says struck by lightning, because they refer to a past event. If you see someone next to you get hit, then they would be stricken by lightning as it was occuring at that moment in time.

tenses, people, tenses

[Ron Miel]

Okay, in the first place, when I suggested "stricken" I was joking.

In the second place, I understand that "struck" is active, and "stricken" is passive:
- Lightning struck the tree.
- The tree was stricken by lightning.

And in the third place, "stricken" is now considered archaic, with "struck" being preferred.

[Soylent Dave]

Okay, in the first place, when I suggested "stricken" I was joking.

In the second place, I understand that "struck" is active, and "stricken" is passive:
- Lightning struck the tree.
- The tree was stricken by lightning.

And in the third place, "stricken" is now considered archaic, with "struck" being preferred.

Stricken is the past participle of 'to strike' and 'struck' is the past tense and participle of 'to strike'.

In this case we're talking about the past tense: "lightning struck the tree"

If the tree 'had been stricken with lightning' that's past perfect* tense (you can also say 'has been stricken' and 'will have been stricken' although the last one is really HORRIBLE)

Or we could talk about 'the lightning-stricken tree' - which again feels a little bit clunky and ye olde Englifhe.

(The example you gave ('was stricken') is also valid, and is indeed the passive voice)

But yeah 'stricken' is generally just a wee bit old fashioned for anything other than disease (at least in English English; Yanklish might be different though)

You can use struck in all the above ways as well, and it generally lends itself to more elegant sentence construction, which is probably why it took off and 'stricken' got dumped by the wayside.

(*perfect is a tense which describes a more ongoing or recent action than simple tenses (or sometimes just greater clarity), if you were wondering. Which most people probably are not)

[Flame of Anor]

Nope.

One says stuck by lighting. Not stricken by lighting. Stricken in used in contexts of a disease, or similar. Sudden, violent destruction is usually struck (Struck down, Struck by lightning)

SoylentDave is pretty much the only person who has it right. (Are we surprised he's British?)

For those who TL;DR'd his post, the gist of it is:

Stricken is the original past participle, which is now rather archaic.
Struck is the original past tense, which is now often used in place of the past participle.

Oh, and Dave, it's also archaic over here. The only difference like this that I can think of--where we use the older past participle and you use the past tense as past participle--is "gotten" vs. "got".

[CloakedDancer]

SoylentDave is pretty much the only person who has it right. (Are we surprised he's British?)

For those who TL;DR'd his post, the gist of it is:

Stricken is the original past participle, which is now rather archaic.
Struck is the original past tense, which is now often used in place of the past participle.

Oh, and Dave, it's also archaic over here. The only difference like this that I can think of--where we use the older past participle and you use the past tense as past participle--is "gotten" vs. "got".

I just now noticed that this thread is getting derailed by a grammar debate.

[oppyu]

All grammar debates should be striked from the record.

[The Linker]

Stricken.

(Dammit.)

[Gilphon]

Let's just stroke them all from the record, then.

[Pory]

Hmph...irregular verbs, my archenemies

Back in topic: I didn't notice the poster of gladiatorial games appears again later.

[DaasEuGen]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0453.html
I always thought the remrak about Durkon taking so long because of his short legs, even though he was 15 feet tall, was just a silly joke. Then I've read this: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/righteousMight.htm and it specifically states that the spell does not change your speed.

[Hironomus]

Was anyone a scout?

In Start of Darkness

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the MitD speech to himself before the show bears resemblence to the Scout's code.

[RNGgod]

Just a little joke, but I never noticed until now that when Tsukiko teleports in 513 the little "Bamf!" is presumably a reference to Nightcrawler of X-Men fame.

[Pheehelm]

O-Chul doesn't just punch the shark, he knocks out its front teeth.

[Kazyan]

Needs pepper, Belkar says. He must have picked that out with the ranks in Profession (Gourmet Chef) he is later stated to have.

[Incom]

1. Thog loves puppies.

2. Early on, Elan had no reason to think Thog would be stopped by puppy illusions: http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0066.html

[Nate]

I notice that V always has grapefruit when they have breakfast at an inn.

[Lord Torath]

I just realized (yes, I'm slow) that the reason we cut away to an image of Varsuvious in the trap is because Roy was discussing the "New Villain" who killed the Draketooth clan, and even now might be corrupting the gate.

[Nate]

I think this is when Haley starts to have a crush on Elan.

Also here Haley is telling V about the lime green boots that Crystal makes fun of here.

[rbetieh]

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0453.html
I always thought the remrak about Durkon taking so long because of his short legs, even though he was 15 feet tall, was just a silly joke. Then I've read this: http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/righteousMight.htm and it specifically states that the spell does not change your speed.

Hah, I just noticed that Hinjo's silver Dog is named Silver...Hiyoo Silver (I mean Argent)!


Speaking of Silver Elan has the uncanny ability to change shoes mid-panel TWICE

[Werbaer]

Also here Haley is telling V about the lime green boots that Crystal makes fun of here.

She later mentions them here to Celia, and get them dyed here.

[Kurald Galain]

I think this is when Haley starts to have a crush on Elan.

OOPC suggests she already crushes on him when they first meet.

[MesiDoomstalker]

Speaking of Silver Elan has the uncanny ability to change shoes mid-panel TWICE

I normally pay attention to random details, this comic was part of my initial archive binge (meaning I reread the strip a few times before going onto the next and that I didn't go straight to the disccussion thread after reading since I didn't know there was a forum), and I can honestly say there is only a small handful of things in both of these threads I did not notice on my first read through, but this. Elan's boots changing colors twice in the same comic? I failed my spot check big time. If there was a DM for my life, he'd tell me I'm now blind for how bad my spot check was.

tlr:dr
Nice catch, I didn't see that.

[rbetieh]

tlr:dr
Nice catch, I didn't see that.

Thanks. I like to think that since the Elven boots have yet to make a re-appearance that in fact Uncle Geoff ganked his shoes.

[Learuis]

In http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0398.html, Durkon casts Hold Person, not V. Not sure why, but I just assumed it was V doing it! Haha.

[Binks]

In http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0398.html, Durkon casts Hold Person, not V. Not sure why, but I just assumed it was V doing it! Haha.

Oh wow. I had had the exact same assumption. I guess it just fit more with V's personality to casually do something like that rather than Durkon's. Cool catch.

[CloakedDancer]

In http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0398.html, Durkon casts Hold Person, not V. Not sure why, but I just assumed it was V doing it! Haha.

I just caught that myself about a week ago! I always thought it had been V as well.

[Bogsworth]

Just a little joke, but I never noticed until now that when Tsukiko teleports in 513 the little "Bamf!" is presumably a reference to Nightcrawler of X-Men fame.

I always thought that was just a reference to the common acronym for Bad *** Mother ******s. Thank for enlightening me. ^_^

On another note, I never realized that the prisoners in the Empire of Blood were pretty much doomed to their burny fate thanks to their garments. Sure, it's an Empire of Blood...red will be a common motif there, yet the simple fact that they were Red Shirts Red Shorts kind of sealed their fate at the bottom of this strip. Had Elan been around at the time, I'm pretty sure it would have been warning enough...whether or not he'd accept the fact - out of necessity for drama - is questionable.

[CloakedDancer]

I always thought that was just a reference to the common acronym for Bad *** Mother ******s. Thank for enlightening me. ^_^

On another note, I never realized that the prisoners in the Empire of Blood were pretty much doomed to their burny fate thanks to their garments. Sure, it's an Empire of Blood...red will be a common motif there, yet the simple fact that they were Red Shirts Red Shorts kind of sealed their fate at the bottom of this strip. Had Elan been around at the time, I'm pretty sure it would have been warning enough...whether or not he'd accept the fact - out of necessity for drama - is questionable.

...but Tarquin's wearing a red shirt...and shorts.