Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXIX

[Hunter Killer]

I think I can do this one. A bit of <CENSORED> to start us off, then a dash of <CENSORED> to get into <CENSORED> and we'll finish out with <CENSORED>. I found the feats <CENSORED> and <CENSORED> that will fit really well in the build.

Seriously, though, I do have a build that comes to mind right away with this one. I'm going to compete, going to try my best, and hopefully win me a contest.

[Z3ro]

This looks interesting. I think I'll compete this time around, I do love rangery classes and PrCs.

[flabort]

And already I come into a major hitch: <Not saying> conflicts with <Nope> in terms of <Nuh-uh>, so my base class does not work with <nice try>. So I have to scrap my entire premise... already , because there is no alternative for <can't tell you> that I can find. Unless there's a PrC that does it, and I could otherwise <Whoah, that's almost too much>, but I can't find one.

My original premise would work, I just wouldn't be able to take the SI. Stupid, stupid <just no>.

[Rizban]

Time-wasting Question: Blessing of Scripture provides a "...sacred bonus on Bluff, Listen, Sense Motive, Spot, and Survival checks when in pursuit of their church-assigned targets." The next line says these bonuses apply to leaders of groups. That bolded part is odd. Does it read as <bonus on all those skill checks> as long as you can say you're in pursuit? Or a bonus against the leader only, except for Survival, which applies while in pursuit?

You misquote that. It's "church-assigned target" not "targets." With the latter restriction of only applying to a group's leader, I am led to believe that the bonuses are intended to apply only to an individual, even if assigned a group as your target.

[Jeriah]

I'm almost finished with my character too. Though I'm considering sitting out and judging instead.

[Urpriest]

If you don't want to suppose what the authors intended, there's a pretty easy way to handle it with established RAW.

The quoted rule is for monsters. There is another explicit rule for classes that their SLAs have CLs equal to their class level. I don't remember where it is, but I'm sure I've seen it before, because it's been brought up in prior Iron Chef Competitions.

[Venger]

Looked over the class now, see it pretty, well... uh.. would it be speculation to say my initial impression is that it turns a ranger into a paladin? With less-than-normal for a paladin? I would think not...

I've got the start of my build, but am wondering whether to go straight <I know it would be speculation to say this, so I won't>, or to take another PrC first... I'm still grateful to Venger for giving me access to books that I couldn't before, and now I'm about to crack open <Saying the BOOKS would be speculation> to check out a feat I'm considering. I would now ask for advice, but that would also cause speculation.

... It's hard not to post stuff you want to share.

you're quite welcome

this class is harder than I thought it would be to get into, it's those darn skills. disguise and gather info are harder to find than I thought. you never really look for ranks in either of these since no one uses gather info checks and a hat of disguise is usually enough to beat an NPC's spots

[DarthPeleus]

Seems... unfocused. Seems like a generic tracker guy, with nothing particularly theatrical.

I'll give it a shot anyway though, see what I can come up with.

Edit: I give up, I fail to see how this class is unique

Most/all of the class features are either already covered or done better by other classes, and even with those tracking abilities... if you failed to finish off your target... well... you're probably screwed when they come back to take revenge. At least that's how my DM likes to run things. Everyone we don't finish(sometimes even if we do finish them) usually just comes back more prepared, and if they don't, they probably weren't worth killing in the first place.

Don't know how you guys determine qualifications for judges. I know I'm pretty new, but if you'll let me judge, I'll do it.

[motoko's ghost]

I got a couple of ideas but not sure how they'll pan out.
If I cant actually get any builds to work, I'll judge though.

[flabort]

Don't know how you guys determine qualifications for judges. I know I'm pretty new, but if you'll let me judge, I'll do it.

Don't worry, we are usually pretty helpful. And the only qualifications needed to judge are having the books. Not even, but I tried once without, and it ended pretty sorely: Unfocused, bad judging. The other judges that round managed to do enough that mine didn't affect anything, but I will always make sure I have the books before I judge again.

By "the books", I just mean the book the SI is in, and any sources cited in the builds once their revealed. Oh, yes, someone who has submitted a build can't judge, but that's all you need to do to be allowed to judge: Have the books, and not already have submitted a build.

[spelacnar]

I'm interested in submitting a build. I've got an idea... hope it pans out.

[Feytalist]

Ohoho, Consecrated Harrier. Eeeenteresting

I've browsed over this one many times, but nothing really jumped out at me. I'm gonna try and make something work, but nothing concrete yet.

I wonder if...

[Gotterdammerung]

K, I am competing. I finally got an awesome idea.


P.S. it really is kind of crap for a track prerequ PrC to not get survival as a class skill...sometimes I really wonder about these developers.

[Garwain]

it really is kind of crap for a track prerequ PrC to not get survival as a class skill...

You mean: It's kind of crap that they made a PrC with the DM railroad as a prerequisite.

And I had some ideas, but I'm not going to compete unless it really is a good idea (avoiding the pixie fiasco) since it seems there will a good number of contestants already.

[Feytalist]

Lack of trophies make me a saaaaad Fremen :C

[FyreByrd]

I've actually got an idea for this one...and it's not horrible either!

Now all I've got to do is get it done!

[Amphetryon]

Lack of trophies make me a saaaaad Fremen :C

You and me both, Feytalist.

[Jeriah]

You and me both, Feytalist.

We were promised trophies in the last one...

[Zipding]

I've had a look at the class, and I may be interested in it. However, I may not get the build in because of upcoming exams, so I'm a definite maybe for this challenge.

[Jeriah]

I've decided that I'm going to sit out on this one and just judge. I tinkered with the class a bit, but my idea isn't really working out the way I wanted. I'm happy with having won the last one, so I'll let someone else have a chance this time.

[The Gilded Duke]

Submitted a build.
...I think I have a problem.

[TroubleBrewing]

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

That said, I'm totally competing. *Twitch*

[DarthPeleus]

Don't worry, we are usually pretty helpful. And the only qualifications needed to judge are having the books. Not even, but I tried once without, and it ended pretty sorely: Unfocused, bad judging. The other judges that round managed to do enough that mine didn't affect anything, but I will always make sure I have the books before I judge again.

By "the books", I just mean the book the SI is in, and any sources cited in the builds once their revealed. Oh, yes, someone who has submitted a build can't judge, but that's all you need to do to be allowed to judge: Have the books, and not already have submitted a build.

If this is the case, I offer to judge this round.

[Amphetryon]

We're happy to have you, DarthPeleus.

I think I can do this one. A bit of <CENSORED> to start us off, then a dash of <CENSORED> to get into <CENSORED> and we'll finish out with <CENSORED>. I found the feats <CENSORED> and <CENSORED> that will fit really well in the build.

Seriously, though, I do have a build that comes to mind right away with this one. I'm going to compete, going to try my best, and hopefully win me a contest.

Ah, Hunter Killer, you're forgetting that <censored> has a prerequisite of <censored> which will either delay entry into <censored> until level <censored>, and possibly limiting the levels of Consecrated Harrier to <censored> levels.

[Hunter Killer]

We were promised trophies in the last one...

The problem has been rectified. Check this post in the other thread.

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Yes. I will take over trophy duties from now on, if y'all like the ones I made.

[Gotterdammerung]

The problem has been rectified. Check this post in the other thread.

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Yes. I will take over trophy duties from now on, if y'all like the ones I made.

Neat, thanks.

[Venger]

The problem has been rectified. Check this post in the other thread.

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Yes. I will take over trophy duties from now on, if y'all like the ones I made.

oh wow, those look great! I hope I win something this time. third time's the charm, as they say (or fourth if you count claire and pumpkinhead as two)

[BobVosh]

It is amusing to me how long I have had some of these books without remembering the classes that get brought up in these competitions.

[Amphetryon]

The problem has been rectified. Check this post in the other thread.

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Yes. I will take over trophy duties from now on, if y'all like the ones I made.

You're hired! Thanks very much for stepping up, Hunter Killer. Those look wonderful.

[IdleMuse]

Arrrrgg stupid class rage!