[Nexus] OOC 29: Since When Have Titles Been All That Important, Anyway?

[Earl of Purple]

Speaking of Annabelle, Darklord, I believe it's your turn to post for the Dock by the Lake in GLoG.

[Lady Serpentine]

Yeah, AMEN's defenses are piss-poor compared to GLoG's. Living on top of a volcano is no match for a cactus fence.

That's not exactly a great comparison of their relative defense levels. It's a cactus fence with a bunch of deities, exalted, and similar things, as well as a Tobias, living behind it. GLoG's not exactly undefended. Also, GLoG has few, if any, enemies, whereas AMEN is enemies with HALO, Remnant, and a variety of unaffiliated PCs.

[Morty]

Most of GLoG's godlings are in deep deadtime and AMEN has no shortage of powerful characters. I don't really want to argue it, though. I was just being snarky.

[Gullara]

That's not exactly a great comparison of their relative defense levels. It's a cactus fence with a bunch of deities, exalted, and similar things, as well as a Tobias, living behind it. GLoG's not exactly undefended. Also, GLoG has few, if any, enemies, whereas AMEN is enemies with HALO, Remnant, and a variety of unaffiliated PCs.

Well, I can't remember the last time I've seen a deity in GLoG, so that's hardly the case. Not to mention that there aren't that maybe Exalted, and one of the players that plays most of those that exist isn't exactly here all the time. GLoG does have some powerful individuals, but people exaggerate it far too often.

[Lady Serpentine]

Well, I can't remember the last time I've seen a deity in GLoG, so that's hardly the case. Not to mention that there aren't that maybe Exalted, and one of the players that plays most of those that exist isn't exactly here all the time. GLoG does have some powerful individuals, but people exaggerate it far too often.

I think I've gotten confused by things BR's and FF's characters from the future have said as far as the deities...

Also, unless there are Exalted on the other side, isn't one plenty?

[ThirdEmperor]

Yeah, AMEN's defenses are piss-poor compared to GLoG's. Living on top of a volcano is no match for a cactus fence.

Cacti.

In a camp run by a high-level druid.

...

Yeeaah, I'm pretty sure that cactus fence can be a far more effective defense than you give it credit for.

[The Bushranger]

Hey, you think you're confused, think about what we go through.

[Ashen Lilies]

It would be, if this weren't the Nexus. Exalted are only unstoppable killing machines in their own universe, after all. Over here, they're merely 'above average', and there's plenty of those hanging around.

[Reinholdt]

Really guys, let's not turn this into a power debate. I don't see how either snarking about it or rebutting it will lead to anything positive.

There will be six soldiers of ielf's and I'm thinking about 10 pantherbots of MF's. Ilpholin isn't going to allow more to try to keep any one person from having more readily available power than her. As a defensive force, I don't find this horribly unreasonable. If you're intent on attacking/infiltrating the base for whatever reason, I'd be more worried about the Moff's dragging you out for make-out sessions or Fire spewing flowers or walls that can eat you, personally.

Also TE's right and terrifying at the same time.

[Lady Serpentine]

Hey, you think you're confused, think about what we go through.

At least you have some inside knowledge of what's going on, though...

*Pokes Rebonack to Mallside*

[The Bushranger]

At least you have some inside knowledge of what's going on, though...

That's exactly the problem!

[Lady Serpentine]

That's exactly the problem!

I fail to see how that's worse than trying to figure out which of the five or so timelines you're using you're talking about, and thus interspersing bits of all of them with the rest.

[happyturtle]

Obviously what we all need is a bucket of puppies:



My only input on the army thing is to beg that the new AMEN clone soldiers not be called "drones".

Since I think Sunny started off as a character, though it doesn't make the example any less valid, an actual NPC that has since turned into a PC is Kara

Sunny did start as an NPC. Reinholdt had mindwiped the apocacon and said 'Anyone who wants to play the NPCs, go ahead', so I couldn't resist the opportunity of playing a completely blank npc. I started with the intention of letting her be fully cured and then disappear into obscurity. Then I found out who she was as I played her and she became my favourite character. Everyone has their own style, and apparently mine is the less background I start with, the more likely the character is to be successful.

[BladeofObliviom]

I can say that joining AMEN in the future will not be quite as simple as signing a paper anymore. I agree with Watch in moving away from that somewhat outdated system.

But I still haven't even had a chance to even attempt to implement some of the changes I've got in mind.

Obviously one of the requirements should be to eat five live crunchy chicks.


On a more serious note, Cyrus has a small army of Thrax Soldiers, supplied by Karyana way back when. He hasn't gotten around to coming up with a way to accelerate their gestation and rearing times, though, so he has a total of 100 adults and of that number, only about 70 are capable of doing anything. On the bright side, they have access to the magic items that Cyrus makes in his free time, so they aren't total pushovers.

That said, something on the power level of Remnant Soldiers could more or less just mow them down.

[Earl of Purple]

Deadtime now. Goodnight, sleep tight and don't let the Grick bite.

[Mindfreak]

So I have a question...
Is Ilpholin a double agent or something in AMEN?

[UncleWolf]

Remnant is likely the best example of a "Standing Army" in the Nexus right now, so I feel I should chip in on a few things.

Inyu, you are right in that it is a two-way street and that a person should expect to be able to get past such things somehow, but you should also know that you should ALWAYS talk to the people in the Org/controller of the army to work things out beforehand. Even if you can't decide upon the way the scene ends, you should still set limits. OOC surprises are a sure way to make it harder on yourself most of the time.

People who spend a lot of IC and OOC time building up such a force shouldn't be required to have their soldiers be wiped out like the literal Redshirts from Star Trek. As the person who made Remnant, I have put forth a lot of time and effort into the organization's equipment, "personality", and the so-called "NPCs" that are in it and don't like it going to waste with just a single post of attacks just as I know TE wouldn't want anything of his killed off by a flyswatter. We may have disagreements on occasion, but I'm pretty sure we'd agree on that point.

tl;dr: Work together for the fun and benefit of both(or more) parties.

On the note of the Remnant "NPCs"...well, they are NPCs to Remnant Players for the most part. Those who have been "Named" though, belong to their creator and should be considered Pseudo-NPCs. I consider it somewhat artful to give ones like Bugs(Head Medic) and Fred(Drow Assault Spec.) their own flavor and histories. Just because they aren't "Real" PCs doesn't mean they should go neglected and be used just for scenery.

As for "Power Level" of Remnants...their biggest advantage is simply that they work as a unit. Their gear and weapons, while detailed, are not all that special. Especially in Remnant. These people really are simple soldiers, policemen, and sometimes firefighters. Most of the second choose not to wear armor, and the last ones aren't really for combat. And to be honest, most Remnants are merely support personnel instead of any of the three with access to special equipment at most times.

[Reinholdt]

If by double agent you mean using AMEN to further her own goals just like everyone else who's ever been in charge of AMEN, yes.

[happyturtle]

So I have a question...
Is Ilpholin a double agent or something in AMEN?

Darcy's a double agent. Kinda. Darcy infiltrated AMEN on behalf of Watchtower ages ago, which is when she befriended Ilpholin. She got her loyalties mixed, got caught, talked her way out of trouble with both orgs, and took a break for a while.

Now, she doesn't care much about AMEN, but she's very protective of Ilpholin. So she came to the fight in disguise as a Moff, and gave Ilpholin healing and buff lollipops to help her out. Usually when she's an infiltrator, she's a much better actress, but her worries about her best friend made her do a really shoddy job as a Moff. In all the mayhem, nobody seemed to notice IC. I don't know how many players guessed OOC.

[Beans]

Where do y'alls think would be the best place to introduce the time-jellyfish-lady-whatsit?

[Lady Serpentine]

Speaking of jellyfish-ladies, sort of (since you had Irukandji), do you have any problem with how Alia and Chlo got to the Nexus?

[Beans]

I'm fine with that, and I hope fun is had with those characters being arounds and stuff.

[Lady Serpentine]

There should be. (If you want, you can bring Iru in too... The dynamics between the four of them were interesting.)

[The Alexandrian]

If I may ask a question about Darcy, what developed between her and Becky exactly? I understand that they were tv buddies for some time, but Becky tends to bring up the subject of Darcy so frequently that it would lead me to believe that the dynamic was more than just that.

Just kinda curious about that.

Also, what is happening to the catwalks now that Gordon has been deposed? Rogar and Gordon were the only ones who were really able to control them, unless my memory is flawed. There are a considerable number of them dwelling in the base and they are extremely dangerous.

[The Bushranger]

Becky might have had a bit of a crush on Darcy, but it was pretty much that she got along well with the shapeshifter and considered her one of her very, very few true friends.

Speaking of Becky, I should probably have her arrive with Dave and Clarissa at some point, shouldn't I?

[happyturtle]

I don't know how many catwalks are left. Some of them were killed in the fire set by singingnoodle's characters, but I doubt they all were.

As for Darcy and Becky, they were only tv buddies. Becky just has a crush on her, like she does every pretty girl she knows, but it's completely unreciprocated. Darcy is 99% straight, with the 1% being an attraction to Ilpholin. There was some chance of it turning into more with Ilph, but then Darcy being tortured by demons happened, which has turned Darcy off of sex quite a bit. She broke up with her boyfriend over it even. She was gradually starting to recover, to the point of flirting a little with Ilpholin, and then Ilpholin got turned into a demon drow.

Subconsciously, Darcy recognizes that Ilpholin has become the same type of demon as the kind that tortured her, which has made her uneasy enough inside that the attraction isn't there right now. Darcy just attributes the uneasiness to worry over her friend's near death and precarious new political position though. Darcy consciously realizing what Ilph has become will be rather traumatic, which is why it hasn't happened yet. Reinholdt needs a little time to consolidate the AMEN stuff before having a huge emotional crisis scene to rp.

[ThePhantom]

The catwalks are still in the base, and there's about 80 of them left. They mostly are sticking to their dens, but Rogar still has them in reserve.

[Lady Serpentine]

*Pokes Harnel to Mallside*

I posted for someone quite far back, but you appear to have missed it...

[Hattish Thing]

He sacrificed himself in order to destroy the catwalks! How noble!

[InyutheBeatIs]

And I'm back from work. So, brief timeskip backwards! Wait, that's not how it works...

Anyways, I don't want to resurrect a dead subject here, but I feel like I should say a few things. Firstly, I'm glad that my post didn't cause a crap-storm like I was worried it would. That post wasn't the most well composed argument I've ever made, plus I kinda feel like it missed what I was trying to convey just slightly.

@Slii_Arhem: Eh, don't worry about it. Like I said, not the best post I've ever made, what with almost rushing it out before I left for work this morning. I actually wasn't aware that AMEN was that easy to infiltrate, although I suspected the backstabbing that would be involved (). Then again, truth be told, I didn't really have all that much information on the subject, and I really just reacted to what I saw as a trend that had suddenly reared its head, a trend that concerned me a bit.

@The_Alexandrian: Just thought I'd say you made very good points there.

@Wolfbane: I agree with you. Cooperation is definitely key.

@Everyone else: Thank you for keeping things civil. I really, really appreciate it. I am so sorry for any confusion or irritation or similar that I've caused.