LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?

[pffh]

It is the accent.

Really? No, really? I mean sure he's cute but his voice is so eugh.

[Lea Plath]

Really? No, really? I mean sure he's cute but his voice is so eugh.

Totally the accent :P

[Arachu]

It is the accent.

And the hair, and the knives, and the having come from an assassin-filled Middle-Eastern Spain...

And he's so dangerous.


~Bianca

[Lea Plath]

And the hair, and the knives, and the having come from an assassin-filled Middle-Eastern Spain...

And he's so dangerous.


~Bianca

Oh yeah, he also teachs you assassin stuff!

Off to sleep now. Need a pillow. Any volunteers?

[Asta Kask]

Oh yeah, he also teachs you assassin stuff!

Off to sleep now. Need a pillow. Any volunteers?

I would need to move to France, right?

[Mystic Muse]

Oh yeah, he also teachs you assassin stuff!

Off to sleep now. Need a pillow. Any volunteers?

I was repeatedly used as various types of comfortable furniture in the ponythread IRC, so why not.

[Arachu]

Oh yeah, he also teachs you assassin stuff!

Off to sleep now. Need a pillow. Any volunteers?

I'll do it.


~Bianca

[Lea Plath]

I would need to move to France, right?

England :P

I was repeatedly used as various types of comfortable furniture in the ponythread IRC, so why not.

Do you smell of horse?

I'll do it.


~Bianca

On a scale of 1 to 10, how soft are you?

[Dogmantra]

England :P

Whereabouts?
It would be so swell if we were like
in the same town or something :D

[Mystic Muse]

Do you smell of horse?

Not remotely. More like flowers.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how soft are you?

Very.

[Lea Plath]

Whereabouts?
It would be so swell if we were like
in the same town or something :D

Leeds. Its grim up north :P

Not remotely. More like flowers.




Very.

So much choice!

*Just grabs everyone and pulls them into a sleepy hug* Night all.

[Arachu]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how soft are you?

Which extreme's which? o_O

... Moderately. >.>

So much choice!

*Just grabs everyone and pulls them into a sleepy hug* Night all.

Hooray for compromise!

~Bianca

[Castaras]

Leeds. Its grim up north :P

You should come to the Newcastle Meetup.

Or the Camden Market MiniMeetup that people are considering on a whim.

As should you Dogmantra. And anyone else here who I don't remember who's in Britannia or able to make it to Britannia early July.

[Dihan]

I was drafted into the voting for my university's LGBT society to try and combat rumours of vote storming. Luckily the rumours didn't go to pass. However, the powers that be in the society did try to sneak past an amendment that would exclude cis-gendered heterosexuals from the society - a society that had gone under major reform a few years ago to move it away from a segregated hook-up service. That was picked up on and subsequently voted on in which the attending members voted unanimously against.

[pffh]

I was drafted into the voting for my university's LGBT society to try and combat rumours of vote storming. Luckily the rumours didn't go to pass. However, the powers that be in the society did try to sneak past an amendment that would exclude cis-gendered heterosexuals from the society - a society that had gone under major reform a few years ago to move it away from a segregated hook-up service. That was picked up on and subsequently voted on in which the attending members voted unanimously against.

Yay for that. I really hate how some people try to segregate themselves and bring on a sort of us vs them mentality.

Also since google is not being helpful what is vote storming?

[Arachu]

Legitimately rigging the ballot by gathering up people who always vote with what you say, I'd imagine.

Or rather, people who always agree with a given group. Things would get rather confusing if everyone had a position quota... >.>

You should come to the Newcastle Meetup.

Or the Camden Market MiniMeetup that people are considering on a whim.

As should you Dogmantra. And anyone else here who I don't remember who's in Britannia or able to make it to Britannia early July.

I wish I could go to Britain in the immediate future... :sniffle:

I was drafted into the voting for my university's LGBT society to try and combat rumours of vote storming. Luckily the rumours didn't go to pass. However, the powers that be in the society did try to sneak past an amendment that would exclude cis-gendered heterosexuals from the society - a society that had gone under major reform a few years ago to move it away from a segregated hook-up service. That was picked up on and subsequently voted on in which the attending members voted unanimously against.

Good to hear. Not the bit about it being brought up, but the bits about it being voted down and things getting better.


~Bianca

[Astrella]

Very interesting stuff. Thanks a lot for the explanation

Hear, hear!
1) Feminism isn't just about women, but also about men and everything in between.
2) Many of these problems are not restricted to gender issues.

No problem.

And very much true.

...the white men for gay rights,...

That's a bit untrue actually, trans* people have been pretty involved right from the start; Compton Cafe sprouts up as an example; it's just that the LGBT-movement itself hasn't been shy of reinterpreting (straight) trans people as gay cis folk.

[Kindablue]

That's a bit untrue actually, trans* people have been pretty involved right from the start; Compton Cafe sprouts up as an example; it's just that the LGBT-movement itself hasn't been shy of reinterpreting (straight) trans people as gay cis folk.

Stonewall is a great example. It was a mafia owned bar that catered to the least privileged of the LGBT community--gay homeless teens who were abandoned by their families, transvestites, etc--and when the cops kicked the doors in, those kids fought back because they had literally nothing else to lose, and no where else to go. The gay rights movement stretches back farther than Stonewall, but I can't imagine it moving as far or as quickly as it has without an event like that. I think your idea is generally right, Kender, but mostly because the more privileged part of the group is more easily able to integrate into society (or that society is more ready to accept them), not because they're the first to fight for integration. They are the last to the queue and the first through the door, so to speak.

[Lanaya]

Wheeeeee! I've just made my first appointment with a gender-counsellor-person-thing (I believe that's the technical term). I'm currently alternating between soaring highs of excited expectation and nerve-wracking anxiety. It's quite a thrill.

[Astrella]

Wheeeeee! I've just made my first appointment with a gender-counsellor-person-thing (I believe that's the technical term). I'm currently alternating between soaring highs of excited expectation and nerve-wracking anxiety. It's quite a thrill.

Squeeee, awesomes!

[noparlpf]

Oh yeah, he also teachs you assassin stuff!

Off to sleep now. Need a pillow. Any volunteers?

I'm told I'm a good pillow, but I'm across the pond and whatnot. On the bright side, I'm on the low end of my uncomfortable-with-touching right now, so I'd probably actually be alright with it (if I knew you in person anyway).

Wheeeeee! I've just made my first appointment with a gender-counsellor-person-thing (I believe that's the technical term). I'm currently alternating between soaring highs of excited expectation and nerve-wracking anxiety. It's quite a thrill.

Congrats! I hope it goes well!

[Arachu]

Wheeeeee! I've just made my first appointment with a gender-counsellor-person-thing (I believe that's the technical term). I'm currently alternating between soaring highs of excited expectation and nerve-wracking anxiety. It's quite a thrill.

*Congratulatory glomp!*

[Lea Plath]

You should come to the Newcastle Meetup.

Or the Camden Market MiniMeetup that people are considering on a whim.

As should you Dogmantra. And anyone else here who I don't remember who's in Britannia or able to make it to Britannia early July.

Aye, I should, maybe when money is a bit less tight. Right now, I'm saving for another meet up in Scotland.

Wheeeeee! I've just made my first appointment with a gender-counsellor-person-thing (I believe that's the technical term). I'm currently alternating between soaring highs of excited expectation and nerve-wracking anxiety. It's quite a thrill.

Congratz!

[Heliomance]

Wheeeeee! I've just made my first appointment with a gender-counsellor-person-thing (I believe that's the technical term). I'm currently alternating between soaring highs of excited expectation and nerve-wracking anxiety. It's quite a thrill.

Oh, yes. I did that yesterday too! Got a phone appointment next Tuesday!

[Lea Plath]

Oh, yes. I did that yesterday too! Got a phone appointment next Tuesday!

Congratz to you too!

[Arachu]

Apparently I skipped a page and a half somehow. That explains the spontaneous quotes.

Bleh.
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I have/have had a couple of female friends who emphaticall NEVER WANT KIDS EW NO. And without fail every time it just makes me go WELL AT LEAST YOU HAVE THE CHOICE AND HERE YOU ARE THROWING IT AWAY.

...it upsets me.

(This isn't a rant at you, kender, just it made me think of it. In fact, it's entirely possible I've mentioned this before...)

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I've been feeling... Really conflicted about that sort of thing lately. I don't know if I want to be a mother or not, but... Not having the option...

Guh, I shouldn't think about that when I'm already dysphoric. >.>

*spots avatar*

*goes to get scissors*

And ruin that awesomely-long hair? I'm afraid I can't allow that. *goes to get a fan*

Edit: And I didn't do myself because quite frankly a person who had gender dysphoria to deal with together with my depressions probably wouldn't be alive.

Although I'm fairly certain my parents would be supportive, though.

*Hugs*

A transdimensional warp opens and out steps...

...your Gender Identity twin!

This twin has the same gender identity that you have, but another kind of body. Women's twin has a male body and the other way around. So I would get a trans man. Genderqueer, gender fluid, etc. get a cis of whatever sex they were assigned at birth.

What do you see?

I see my sister, give or take. We're often confused for twins (which is impressive considering we're genetically cousins).

... 'Course, other-me would be me, so we'd probably end up making out out of mutual boredom.

Ooh, ooh, happy birthday, noparlf!

Happy day-after-your-birthday, Nope!

yeah, I was trained too much in oral hygiene when I was a child.

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I wonder what semen will do in the case of oral hygiene...

... Probably nothing serious, but that's a good question to ask... I should look that up after I'm done studying estrogen again (which reminds me; apparently estrogen weakens bones (or allows them to weaken), but it also helps prevent heart disease somehow).

Someone said I could, but then it provoked the whole, "I can't just take a break from being gay to say that comment." thing. So now I'm gonna start saying "no hetero" because I CAN say that and mean it.

Well, technically you could use it to mean 'I feel no (homosexual) attraction towards [whoever you're talking about]'. 'Course, it didn't really make sense to begin with considering my gender and whatnot.

From what I've gathered from you guys, equalism would be a far better name than feminism. Who's with me?

That sounds even better than egalitarianism - I approve.

A quite fun article against the homophobes railing against the gay in Mass effect

Some people are gay in space. Get over it

Video game players can now identify their characters as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. Which is wonderful, unless you're a sad homophobe


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...gay-video-game

I'm never going to un-read that interpretation of Star Wars. DXD


~Bianca

[KenderWizard]

Feminism and gender-neutrality

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Talking about the name, I remember either the Godless Bitches, Natalie Reed or Natalie Reed guest staring on the Godless Bitches mentioning that a lot of people have trouble with seeing "feminism" as a gender-neutral word, but accept plenty of similar things with masculine words (Like "mankind", "Guys" and "brotherhood of Evil Mutants"). It echoes the strange notion in many languages that men are the standard, women are modified men and others are nonexistent. Especially apparent in French, where most substantives are gendered, but any collection of them are referred to with "Ils" (masculine) unless not a single masculine item is present.

Is it reasonable to consider feminism a word that has evolved to do the opposite and be a previously feminine word that turned neutral?

Tl;dr: Words originally referring to femininity seems to be considered always-female, but words originally referring to masculinity are easily considered gender-neutral. Feminism could be an exception to the word-sexism

I really really really really like this! Thank you for bringing it to my attention!

I'm curious what you think of "womanism" or "womanist" movements?

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For those not familiar with it, "womanism" was started primarily by black women who were interested in feminism but felt it was too damaged by its associations with upper-class white women's struggles. It tends to focus more on class and race as related to gender than standard feminism does (although standard has increased focus on that).

I am not very familiar with womanism. #notintheUS! I come from a country that's still over 90% white. I hope that as feminism has started to address intersectionality and its own (hopefully past) race and class issues, that none of the next generation of women feel ignored or disenfranchised by the movement (maybe the generation after that we won't need a movement! ). But I don't know enough about womanism to have an opinion on it. If you just mean what I feel about the word, I think it's clearly got the same problem as "fem" does but more so, but it's a perfectly cromulent word.

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This is a good point, and I should take a moment to say that they're perfectly allowed to make that decision. It's just slightly unpleasant for me when they're like 'Ewww no never.' I mentioned it to them once, and they saw my point, so... bleh. Ranting for no reason really.

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(nods) like I said, it wasn't really a rant that was going anywhere. I think at least one of said friends said I could totally have theirs if science worked it out.

Well, I think your feelings are completely legitimate. It must be really frustrating, and it's very hard to feel totally zen towards people who CAN have what you want and dismiss how great it is that they have the choice or the chance. That's life, I suppose, but it's no good when it happens. Hope you feel better about it with time / when you get your transplanted uterus.

Thank. You. That rant's been eluding me for years. *fist-bump*

*fist-bump!*

You should come to the Newcastle Meetup.

Or the Camden Market MiniMeetup that people are considering on a whim.

As should you Dogmantra. And anyone else here who I don't remember who's in Britannia or able to make it to Britannia early July.

Aw, chances! I will be in the UK in early July. Only for a very short trip through to visit my aunt on the way to Belgium, though.

That's a bit untrue actually, trans* people have been pretty involved right from the start; Compton Cafe sprouts up as an example; it's just that the LGBT-movement itself hasn't been shy of reinterpreting (straight) trans people as gay cis folk.

Stonewall is a great example. It was a mafia owned bar that catered to the least privileged of the LGBT community--gay homeless teens who were abandoned by their families, transvestites, etc--and when the cops kicked the doors in, those kids fought back because they had literally nothing else to lose, and no where else to go. The gay rights movement stretches back farther than Stonewall, but I can't imagine it moving as far or as quickly as it has without an event like that. I think your idea is generally right, Kender, but mostly because the more privileged part of the group is more easily able to integrate into society (or that society is more ready to accept them), not because they're the first to fight for integration. They are the last to the queue and the first through the door, so to speak.

Thanks for telling me about this stuff! #notintheUS I didn't mean to say that the less privileged members don't fight too, just that it's (a) harder for them to get something going that catches on in a big way (it's way easier to get things done the more privilege you have - money opens doors, as does an upper-class background, to get laws changed and get your story into newspapers), (b) they often get whitewashed out when the more privileged end wants to seem more "respectable", and (c) as you say, they reap the benefits last. From what I understand of the (not very big, very late to the scene) early gay rights movement here, it was relatively privileged gay men (white, obviously, see above!) who were the first to make progress because they were otherwise "respectable".

[noparlpf]

Oh, yes. I did that yesterday too! Got a phone appointment next Tuesday!

Congrats to you too! I hope it goes well!


Thanks for the birthday wishes!

[Astrella]

Oh, yes. I did that yesterday too! Got a phone appointment next Tuesday!

Congrats!

[Asta Kask]

Wheeeeee! I've just made my first appointment with a gender-counsellor-person-thing (I believe that's the technical term). I'm currently alternating between soaring highs of excited expectation and nerve-wracking anxiety. It's quite a thrill.

Oh, yes. I did that yesterday too! Got a phone appointment next Tuesday!

Congratulations! Hope you get sane people. Remember, if you don't click after a few sessions, it might be a good idea to change counsellor. Counselling is a very private thing and you need to have someone you can open up to.

Also re: Stonewall and its importance for the LGBT movement. It may be relevant to point out that there are countries outside the U.S.

For instance, RFSL (the umbrella organization for LGBT organizations in Sweden) was founded in 1950 as a section of the danish organization (founded in 1948). Either time travel is real or the claims I heard that Stonewall was the starting point for the organized gay movement are considerably exaggerated.