Magic Sword: Fourth Edition Reborn

[Zelkon]

Quick Question? According to the words of The Giant, "Established Setting X but Better is a Sucker's Bet." What makes the world of magic sword different than D&D? What are you doing? Why should a consumer buy Magic Sword if they own Dungeons and Dragons? 90% of role players own D&D? This is seeming kinda Dungeons and Dragons-esque. Without a niche, Madcap Games might not do so well. This is important. I ask again, why should a consumer buy Magic Sword if they own Dungeons and Dragons? 90% of role players own D&D?

Why do people buy PF? It's a continuation of their favorite game, with new content and improved, cleaner mechanics. Also, are we really going for commercial success? I was under the impression that labor costs was the only money contributors would get. Any extra is, well, extra.

[Dark Elf Bard]

Huh? I was under the impression that we were shooting for it to evolve into the 4e version of Pathfinder.

[Zelkon]

Huh? I was under the impression that we were shooting for it to evolve into the 4e version of Pathfinder.

Of course we want that. A more realistic goal, at least to start with, is to break even, make a great game.

[Ialdabaoth]

A swormage and an atificer. Different classes. A class can fit two roles easily, more is streching it.

*nod* to me, "Wizard" and "Fighter" are more meta-classes than classes. There can be several kinds of "Wizard", each of which is its own class - just like there can be several kinds of "Fighter", each of which is its own class.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Quick Question? According to the words of The Giant, "Established Setting X but Better is a Sucker's Bet." What makes the world of magic sword different than D&D? What are you doing? Why should a consumer buy Magic Sword if they own Dungeons and Dragons? 90% of role players own D&D? This is seeming kinda Dungeons and Dragons-esque. Without a niche, Madcap Games might not do so well. This is important. I ask again, why should a consumer buy Magic Sword if they own Dungeons and Dragons? 90% of role players own D&D?

Each edition of D&D is like a different roleplaying game, with different flaws and merits. If they already own Fourth Edition, one might pick up Magic Sword because its hopefully better and free. If they do not own Fourth Edition, they might pick up Magic Sword in order to be able to play Fourth Edition, as the books will soon become expensive and rare.

[Gligarman2]

Wait, free? How are you going to pay for business or labor costs? How is this going to work? Are we a professional company or an indie group? What the heck is happening?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Wait, free? How are you going to pay for business or labor costs? How is this going to work? Are we a professional company or an indie group? What the heck is happening?

We raise money on IndieGoGo. There could also be a "donate" button on the site.

[Zelkon]

We could do sort of a DDI thing were we post new material for those who donate. Money starts rolling in by the ones .

[Gligarman2]

Alright. I still feel as though the setting is...lacking. I just feel kinda like this isn't new. I'm sorry, I just don't see much of an identity in this game.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

We could do sort of a DDI thing were we post new material for those who donate. Money starts rolling in by the ones .

Like that. Books for free, browser stuff for money.

Alright. I still feel as though the setting is...lacking. I just feel kinda like this isn't new. I'm sorry, I just don't see much of an identity in this game.

The setting is meant to be traditional enough that nearly anything from D&D has a place in it, but new enough to have an identity. I think that was accomplished, with strong fae themes, Tolkien inspiration, Grimm-style lore, and a dash of Ravenloft.

[Zelkon]

Alright. I still feel as though the setting is...lacking. I just feel kinda like this isn't new. I'm sorry, I just don't see much of an identity in this game.

Compare everything game-related to PF. Golorian wasn't very original, but it had stuff to do and places to visit. Plenty of campaigns are run there. Is it what makes PF what it is? No. Is it a ready to play setting? Yes. Soon the people will move on to their own worlds.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Compare everything game-related to PF. Golorian wasn't very original, but it had stuff to do and places to visit. Plenty of campaigns are run there. Is it what makes PF what it is? No. Is it a ready to play setting? Yes. Soon the people will move on to their own worlds.

I wanted to make something that would compete with the Nentir Vale. It isn't a fully fleshed-out world, and it isn't original. Its a starting point. A sort of fill-in-the-blanks introduction to world building.

I think that my setting does that, only better.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Things have quieted down a bit, and I have a bit more time.

Who here wants to play some straight-up 4e (with me as DM), and then have a brainstorming session afterwards. We could even do something of a campaign, and think of things that could be improved at the end of each session.

This could be done via Skype (text chat only) or PBP. If we did PBP, a frequent and mostly consistent posting rate would be required.

[Gligarman2]

Are non-employees excluded?

[Zelkon]

I'd be interested. I suggest Myth-Weavers personally. I think we should go with relatively high amounts of combat, with varied builds.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I'm working on a recruitment thread now. I think we should play some published adventure, so we can also examine what works and what doesn't with the writing.

Are non-employees excluded?

No, but I'm looking for people interested in Magic Sword and game design theory.

I'd be interested. I suggest Myth-Weavers personally. I think we should go with relatively high amounts of combat, with varied builds.

Agreed.

[Zelkon]

We could do KotSF if we really want to grind.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

We could do KotSF if we really want to grind.

KotSF is pretty bad. Its even sadder because the potential is there.

I suppose I could run it. It would pain me, though. I would update the monster math, but keep everything else intact.

[Dark Elf Bard]

I definitely am in. LOVE LOVE LOVE playing 4e. Don't have a Mythweavers account though.

What's KotSF?

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

The recruitment thread is up. All staff are welcome and encouraged to join.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...5#post13908705

I definitely am in. LOVE LOVE LOVE playing 4e. Don't have a Mythweavers account though.

What's KotSF?

Keep on the Shadowfell.

[Zelkon]

KotSF is pretty bad. Its even sadder because the potential is there.

I suppose I could run it. It would pain me, though. I would update the monster math, but keep everything else intact.

It has some good combat encounters, it's just railroady. It gets more bile than it deserves imo.
KotSF is short for the 4e intro adventure, Keep on the Shadowfell.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

It doesn't really matter if you've played the adventure before, so long as you're able not to metagame. I would like at least one fresh player, though.

If you're interested, please get to work on you character sheets. I'm ready when you are.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I know this might seem a bit early, but once we are done the Magic Sword Core Rulebook, what kind of supplements should there be.

I think ...

• Some kind of monster book, containing enough monsters to at least mostly fill a campaign.
• A book that fleshes out the setting a bit more.
• A book with more classes, and perhaps more races.
• A book of several short adventures for a variety of levels.

They do not at all need to be in that order.

[S.K. Ren]

Just found this project. I'm a little confused on your structure. Are you a group of collaborators or are you an actual indie company (i.e actually registered as a company)? Either way I'd like to help contribute to the project.

[Zelkon]

Just found this project. I'm a little confused on your structure. Are you a group of collaborators or are you an actual indie company (i.e actually registered as a company)? Either way I'd like to help contribute to the project.

No, not yet I don't believe. But we're listed on the retroclone page an ENworld.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Okay, look: If Magic Sword is going to happen, we NEED to get the playtest done so we can raise money. I'm sorry I haven't been more present. I've been busy, and I will remain busy for a while, but we need to finish.

Everyone, please get to work. You are needed. I will do as much as I can.

[Zelkon]

I can get started on whatever you need, but it might be as late as friday,.,

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

I can get started on whatever you need, but it might be as late as friday,.,

As soon as you can, so long as it isn't at the expense of important things in your life.

[Chainsaw Hobbit]

Just found this project. I'm a little confused on your structure. Are you a group of collaborators or are you an actual indie company (i.e actually registered as a company)? Either way I'd like to help contribute to the project.

We are not yet a registered company, but we plan to be at some point.

Magic Sword is a non-profit project that, though raising money, we plan to make of professional quality.

[Zelkon]

Ok, I'm ready to work. What do I need to do?