Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof

[Lea Plath]

Depends. You gonna be running Thalia at all?

[Togath]

I'm not honestly sure...W/U does have some decent spells, so it would probably hurt me a bit as well as my oponent, but I might sideboard her in case I end up in a match with a red, B/R, or R/U deck.

[LansXero]

Id suggest trading the serenity angel for a few other cards, there is a lot of value there that could be spread around. Have you considered Neartheath pilgrim / silverblade paladin / fiend hunter as options? restoration angel would also go well there, or if you are sticking with the knights of glory in the main, a couple of cathedrals of war couple with 1-2 sublime archangels for an exalted alternate win-con. Alternatively, champion of the parish is a good creature in any White based aggro build, alongside things like gather the townsfolk to pump him up (although it doesnt play nice with Thalia, and she helps a ton against a lot of relevant decks in the meta).

[Togath]

I'll probably eventually aim for some of the cards you mentioned, especially nearheath pilgrim and silverblade paladin(though probably not sublime archangel, since it doesn't seem strong, unless I'm misunderstanding how exalted works, all creatures get the +1/+1 from exalted as long as one creature on the field has it, correct?), but the reason I listed angel of serenity is because I already have a copy of it, and I'd rather not lose it, since it'll probably be useful once I get a better deck. Gather the townsfolk looks like a useful card though, and easy to get a hold of(it would also make a copy of champion of the parish more useful, though I'm not sure whether it would be good to aim for him, or precinct captain first)

[LansXero]

Angel of Serenity goes in a different kind of deck, is all. A couple of Geists of St. Traft would be far more useful in what you intend to build.

As for sublime archangel, the idea is this: You drop the angel and a single attacker gets +x/+x, where X is the number of creatures you have in the field, which is likely to be large due to the nature of your deck. Next turn you swing with a +x/+x angel. Add in a Silverblade Paladin, and its hitting for twice as much :O

[qwertyu63]

Can anyone find a way to get rid of a card with these abilities?
It's a land.
Protection from everything.
The card is indestructible.

[Cogwheel]

Can anyone find a way to get rid of a card with these abilities?
It's a land.
Protection from everything.
The card is indestructible.

Decree of Annihilation.

[LansXero]

worldfire, upheaval, karn liberated... nevermind, misread as prot. from all colors. Making a creature of its controller fight a phyrexian obliterator over and over? in that vein, emrakul / things with annihilator.

[Lea Plath]

I'll probably eventually aim for some of the cards you mentioned, especially nearheath pilgrim and silverblade paladin(though probably not sublime archangel, since it doesn't seem strong, unless I'm misunderstanding how exalted works, all creatures get the +1/+1 from exalted as long as one creature on the field has it, correct?), but the reason I listed angel of serenity is because I already have a copy of it, and I'd rather not lose it, since it'll probably be useful once I get a better deck. Gather the townsfolk looks like a useful card though, and easy to get a hold of(it would also make a copy of champion of the parish more useful, though I'm not sure whether it would be good to aim for him, or precinct captain first)

It really just sounds like there are 3 different decks with 3 different routes to victory stacked on top of each other here.

You have tokens. They can be useful support but they are much better in a token only deck.

You have angel of serenity. 7 mana in an aggro deck is too much without a way to cheat her into play. She is a mid range/control card, who is too expensive for aggro control.

You have the UW aggro creatures. A good choice for a meta with zombies, control and midrange, but you seem to be missing the aggro parts of it.

Pilgrim isn't a bad card. Infact, I would say it is a good one, but right now, he would be sideboard tech in the aggro match up.

If you wanna do a UW aggro list, Giest of St Traf, Elite Inquisitor, Silverblade Paladin, War Falcon, Knight of Glory, etc. Have a finisher at 4 mana like Sublime Archangel or keep it to 3 mana and Ajani to run less land and more creatures. Champion of the Parish gets buffed anyway without the need for Gather (you drop him turn 1, turn 2 you drop Knight, swing for 3, turn 4 you drop another human or two, swing for 5 etc). And Spectral Flight/Feeling of Dread/Oblivion Ring are the only real 3 cards you want main board who aren't creatures. Have a good sideboard with Negate and stuff if you want.

[Eldariel]

Can anyone find a way to get rid of a card with these abilities?
It's a land.
Protection from everything.
The card is indestructible.

In addition to the mentioned:
Apocalypse
Descent into Madness
Dimensional Breach (technically)
Realm Razer (until killed anyways)
Mana Vortex (eventually)
Balance/Balancing Act/Restore Balance with 0 lands/permanents in play
Death Cloud
Epicenter
Devastating Dreams
Destructive Force (provided only 5 or less lands in play) - in the same vein, Wildfire and Burning of Xinye
Global Ruin (assuming it doesn't have a basic land type)

You could also make it colored (via. an enchantment or something) and All is Dust. Or animate all lands and make them lose all abilities. Or some such. There's a lot of ways to get things done in this game.

[The-Mage-King]

So.


I managed to get my hands on a Commander's Arsenal recently. New.


I opened it, and... There were two Sylvan Libraries, and no Scroll Rack.

...What's the proceedure for getting a card that was advertised and then not provided?

[Togath]

It really just sounds like there are 3 different decks with 3 different routes to victory stacked on top of each other here.

You have tokens. They can be useful support but they are much better in a token only deck.

You have angel of serenity. 7 mana in an aggro deck is too much without a way to cheat her into play. She is a mid range/control card, who is too expensive for aggro control.

You have the UW aggro creatures. A good choice for a meta with zombies, control and midrange, but you seem to be missing the aggro parts of it.

Pilgrim isn't a bad card. Infact, I would say it is a good one, but right now, he would be sideboard tech in the aggro match up.

If you wanna do a UW aggro list, Giest of St Traf, Elite Inquisitor, Silverblade Paladin, War Falcon, Knight of Glory, etc. Have a finisher at 4 mana like Sublime Archangel or keep it to 3 mana and Ajani to run less land and more creatures. Champion of the Parish gets buffed anyway without the need for Gather (you drop him turn 1, turn 2 you drop Knight, swing for 3, turn 4 you drop another human or two, swing for 5 etc). And Spectral Flight/Feeling of Dread/Oblivion Ring are the only real 3 cards you want main board who aren't creatures. Have a good sideboard with Negate and stuff if you want.

Ah, I missed that part of sublime archangel. One thing I was wondering, was if W/U control or light control is a viable option, W/U does have a few decent cards for it(I think).

[Lea Plath]

Ah, I missed that part of sublime archangel. One thing I was wondering, was if W/U control or light control is a viable option, W/U does have a few decent cards for it(I think).

Well, U/W has some control aspects. You lock them down with Fiend Hunter and Feelings of Dread in aggro while you swing for win.

U/W midrange, while not as good UWG midrange, doesn't play any of the 1-2 mana dudes besides Mana dorks and has controlish aspects.

[Togath]

What does midrange mean?, I feel silly for asking, but I still haven't figured out what it means yet.

[Lea Plath]

What does midrange mean?, I feel silly for asking, but I still haven't figured out what it means yet.

Basically. Aggro decks generally play 1-4 mana and try to kill you before you kill them. Midrange has no creatures in the 1-2 mana slots, and goes a lot higher, sometimes up to 7 mana (in the case of angel). Instead they try to survive until they can play something to stabilize their life then kill you with their bigger and better quality creatures.

An example midrange deck for GWU in the current meta would play Thragtusk, Angel of Serenity, Farseek, Detention Sphere. A GRB midrange deck would play Thragtusk, Olivia Voldaren, Huntmaster of the Fell and Dreadbore.

[Togath]

Ah, definitely planning to aim for an aggro deck(though I'll probably include 1-2 archon of the triumvirate, since it has such a strong effect).

[Mindfreak]

So.


I managed to get my hands on a Commander's Arsenal recently. New.


I opened it, and... There were two Sylvan Libraries, and no Scroll Rack.

...What's the proceedure for getting a card that was advertised and then not provided?

Can you not just call the customer service line? Or talk to the manager of the place you purchased it from?

[qwertyu63]

Can anyone find a way to get rid of a card with these abilities?
It's a land.
Protection from everything.
The card is indestructible.

Alright, that wasn't as tight as I hoped... How would this work?

It's a land.
"If this card leaves the battlefield, it returns to the battlefield under its owners control at the end of turn. This ability can not be countered."

[IthilanorStPete]

Alright, that wasn't as tight as I hoped... How would this work?

It's a land.
"If this card leaves the battlefield, it returns to the battlefield under its owners control at the end of turn. This ability can not be countered."

Aside from needing to reword the ability as a triggered ability...turn it into a creature with something like Nature's Revolt, have Humility out, then get rid of it. I think. Humility's always tricky.

[qwertyu63]

Aside from needing to reword the ability as a triggered ability...turn it into a creature with something like Nature's Revolt, have Humility out, then get rid of it. I think. Humility's always tricky.

Ooh, that one's tricky. How could I stop that?

Also, yes, I am trying to make it impossible to permanently get rid of it. Steep task, I know.

[Androgeus]

So seeing as we're in a bit of a deck mode atm, here's a terrible terrible standard deck I made

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Creatures
4x Blistercoil Weird
4x Goblin Electromancer
8

Enchantments
4x Dual Casting
4

Instants
4x Think Twice
3x Searing Spear
1x Cyclonic Rift
3x Brimstone Volley
1x Thoughtflare
12

Sourcery
4x Pillar of Flame
2x Mizzium Mortars
3x Talrand's Invocation
2x Devil's Play
11

Land
11x Mountain
7x Island
4x Izzet Guildgate
2x Steam Vents
1x Desolate Lighthouse
25

[Eldariel]

Ooh, that one's tricky. How could I stop that?

Also, yes, I am trying to make it impossible to permanently get rid of it. Steep task, I know.

You wording right now wasn't really rules-legal. Tho making a permanent unremovable isn't really a monumental task. Like, you can simply do:

This permanent cannot lose its abilities (characteristic-defining ability, applied in layer 1).
This permanent is indestructable.
If this permanent were to be sacrificed, it is not sacrificed instead.
If this permanent were to be exiled, it is not exiled instead.
(If this permanent were to be returned to a hand or a library, it stays in play instead.)

That's the kind of a brute force solution. Replacement effects cannot really be interacted with aside from another replacement effect applying to the same event. Last one is only necessary if you want it to not only be undestroyable but also be unbouncable (if bounced it could of course be discarded, or if put into library, it could be milled). That could theoretically still be removable by Mindslavering its controller and arranging a conflicting replacement effect of course.

More interesting would be trying to construe a passive boardstate out of existing cards where you cannot lose the game and no deck or card can stop you (passive as in not a lock; something like Mindslaver lock or Null Rod + Mycosynth Lattice is way too easy).

[qwertyu63]

You wording right now wasn't really rules-legal. Tho making a permanent unremovable isn't really a monumental task. Like, you can simply do:

This permanent cannot lose its abilities (characteristic-defining ability, applied in layer 1).
This permanent is indestructable.
If this permanent were to be sacrificed, it is not sacrificed instead.
If this permanent were to be exiled, it is not exiled instead.
(If this permanent were to be returned to a hand or a library, it stays in play instead.)

That's the kind of a brute force solution. Replacement effects cannot really be interacted with aside from another replacement effect applying to the same event. Last one is only necessary if you want it to not only be undestroyable but also be unbouncable (if bounced it could of course be discarded, or if put into library, it could be milled). That could theoretically still be removable by Mindslavering its controller and arranging a conflicting replacement effect of course.

Thank you. That should do it.

[LansXero]

Returned and leave play means it can still be milled / discarded away or memoricided away, no?

[Landis963]

Thank you. That should do it.

*delurks* Dare I ask why you need a permanent to be so durable as to require an "abilities can't be removed" rider? *relurks*

[Androgeus]

You wording right now wasn't really rules-legal. Tho making a permanent unremovable isn't really a monumental task. Like, you can simply do:

This permanent cannot lose its abilities (characteristic-defining ability, applied in layer 1).
This permanent is indestructable.
If this permanent were to be sacrificed, it is not sacrificed instead.
If this permanent were to be exiled, it is not exiled instead.
(If this permanent were to be returned to a hand or a library, it stays in play instead.)

That's the kind of a brute force solution. Replacement effects cannot really be interacted with aside from another replacement effect applying to the same event. Last one is only necessary if you want it to not only be undestroyable but also be unbouncable (if bounced it could of course be discarded, or if put into library, it could be milled). That could theoretically still be removable by Mindslavering its controller and arranging a conflicting replacement effect of course.

More interesting would be trying to construe a passive boardstate out of existing cards where you cannot lose the game and no deck or card can stop you (passive as in not a lock; something like Mindslaver lock or Null Rod + Mycosynth Lattice is way too easy).

You version can still be killed if it is made into a creature with 0 toughness (i.e. -1/-1 counters). (Also indestructible is a characteristic not an ability I believe). You may be able to use "~'s chararteristics can not be changed", it would stop it ever becoming a creature, but I don't know if it really works.

[Fable Wright]

So seeing as we're in a bit of a deck mode atm, here's a terrible terrible standard deck I made

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Missing 4 Guttersnipes. They just do so much work in that kind of deck...

[Sohala]

Turn the land into any sort of creature, play Ixidron, then deal with it; for another weakness?

[LansXero]

So, on an entire unrelated subject, Ive been tasked with making posters for an upcoming event aimed at bringing in new people into the hobby. Which image (preferably from Standard-legal cards, but any ideas are welcome) would you use for such a thing? No Jace, its been done to death. (Cant find a hi-res Emancipation Angel :( )

[Mindfreak]

I would suggest the Mindslaver artwork, as that just oozes awesome. But from standard cards...
Armada Wurm? Thundermaw Hellkite? Jarad, Lich Lord? Vraska, the Unseen? Bonfire of the Damned? Pillar of Flame or Dryad Millitant's cool, alternate artwork?
Oh! Oh!
You could use Isperia, even though it's not all that good of a card, I love the artwork!