Dresden Files: Winter is coming (Cold Days Spoilers)

[Sinfonian]

The car I don't recall ever being explained.

Fixing Little Chicago I think we can infer was a bit of Divine Intervention for Michael/Charity/Molly's sake. Thus either Uriel, another such agent, or Big G directly.

I have been working under the assumption that it ends up being Harry himself who fixed Little Chicago. I'm pretty sure that Harry will be doing some time travel at some point (there was some Word of Jim to that at some point), and I can see him taking the time to make sure his head doesn't blow up from the ritual. I almost picture it like the bit in the third Harry Potter book, wherein he goes back in time and wants to see who saved him, realizes that no one else has time to, and has to do it himself.

[Aidan305]

Who rammed the Blue Beetle off the road in Proven Guilty?

Never been revealed to my knowledge. Only a big, long list of people it's not.

[Mauve Shirt]

I was in agreement with the theory that it was Ace trying to mess up the plans of Winter, but after the lack of "It was YOU!" in Cold Days re: that incident I'm pretty sure it's wrong.

OH I KNOW IT WAS FERROVAX.

[Mauve Shirt]

Ooo, some fun stuff from a recent signing

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Bob's personality changes are a result of Harry's changes, not something that happened off screen with NecroBob.

Mab has been Queen for about 1000 years. She had Maeve because things didn't go well for the Lady that was the Lady when she became Queen. And that was the same time there was last a Starborn in the mix.

We have already seen Mother Winter's Walking Stick in the books. He said most people have figured it out. Mother Winter hasn't come to get it because she can't really set foot on Earth without a big danger to reality itself being unable to contain her. omg guys it's the blackstaff

Harry did have his mother's amulet the whole book. Any failure to mention it being removed with the rest of his gear on Demonreach was an oversight not caught in the 15 day turnaround between him turning the book in and it moving on the printing process.

Michael is a wonderful human being, but not a saint. Things might not go so well when Harry explains about Molly. And things might get tense with Maggie. He will also be coming off the bench for the next book.

One of the Swords will get a new wielder in the next book.

Becoming Fae does not lose you your soul. It does however give you lots of time to lose it to the power they have, and the choices they make in that time.

[GenericMook]

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Michael is a wonderful human being, but not a saint. Things might not go so well when Harry explains about Molly. And things might get tense with Maggie. He will also be coming off the bench for the next book.

One of the Swords will get a new wielder in the next book.

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Damn. This is gonna get real.

A new Sword wielder AND Michael coming back? This is gonna be interesting. Considering that the book's probably gonna deal with the Denarians, I'd expect Michael to be there in one way or another, but I kinda wanna see what'll go down.

So long as he doesn't pick up a Denarian, I think we'll be fine.

[Mauve Shirt]

Oh and the next book is called Skin Game. That screams "White court" to me, and with a sword in the mix, maybe Thomas will end up being a knight after all.

[Eldan]

Ooh. Nagloshii.

[Mauve Shirt]

Ah, found the WOJ on Skin Game

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Ok, the next novel in the Dresden Files is called Skin Game, it’s a heist. Mab goes to Harry and says, “You have to help this guy steal something”. And the person they’re ripping it off from is the lord of the underworld, Hades, who has re-purposed Daedalus’ labyrinth as his, kind of as his personal safe. So Harry and Nicodemus are off to rip off the lord of hell. We’ll see how that goes.

Sounds fun!

[The Glyphstone]

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One's a wizardly Winter Knight with a heart of gold and a magic talking skull. One's a host to an evil Fallen Angel with near-invulnerability and impeccable fashion sense. They Fight Crime steal stuff from Hades?

[GenericMook]

All things considered, It would be a pretty awesome team-up. I mean, sure, they're both on opposite sides and stuff, but when you seriously get down to it, they'd be kickass allies.

Also, I hope we get an answer to the whole parasite shtick in that book.

[Mauve Shirt]

Yeah, if the parasite is Lash we ought to hear about it in a Denarian book. I hope. I also hope the parasite is Lash. We know she only exists in Harry's head, and we know she is going to fight Lashiel in a later book, possibly even Skin Game. I thought Ghost Story might have done something to remove her from Harry's head, and I guess a retcon could make that happen, but it's more likely that she's the parasite and Lashiel was the demon that made Harry off himself. Maybe to get her shadow back???


LOL So the books have gone

Sorcerers
Werewolves
Vampires
Faeries
Denarians
Vampires
Sorcerers (and zombies!)
Faeries
Vampires
Denarians
Sorcerers (wizards, anyway; human spellcasters)
Vampires
Sorcerers (Ghost sorcerers!)
Faeries
Denarians

I'm beginning to think there's no pattern after all!

[GenericMook]

I'm pretty sure that it's been all-but-confirmed that the parasite is Lash.

Also, judging from Demonreach's statements at the end of Ghost Story and in Cold Days, we know that it's still around.

I seriously wonder what it'll do, though.

Edit: You know what strikes me as odd?

The fact that Victor Sells, a two-bit sorcerer, was able to whip up a substitute for opening one's Sight. The only other time we've actually seen something close is Rashid's ointment. Granted, the latter isn't a drug or anything, but I'm curious if we'll ever see anything like ThreeEye again.

[Soras Teva Gee]

Yeah, if the parasite is Lash we ought to hear about it in a Denarian book. I hope. I also hope the parasite is Lash. We know she only exists in Harry's head, and we know she is going to fight Lashiel in a later book, possibly even Skin Game. I thought Ghost Story might have done something to remove her from Harry's head, and I guess a retcon could make that happen, but it's more likely that she's the parasite and Lashiel was the demon that made Harry off himself. Maybe to get her shadow back???

Ehh it raises a question of how since Fallen aren't supposed to be able to act of Earth. We are told point blank the Fallen can't act on Earth. No I don't buy the whole balance thing to cover all of that.

Anyways point being we know a better canidate given the description as a shadow. Who else is a shadow and known to be capable of action... oh right Anduriel aka Nick's demon.

Actually given the coming premise this makes me wonder if Harry was literally set up to become the Winter Knight with this all in mind.

[Mauve Shirt]

The part that makes me think Lashiel is more likely than Anduriel is the WoJ that says both Lash and Lashiel appeared in Ghost Story under different names. Who else in Ghost Story could be Lashiel?

[Soras Teva Gee]

The part that makes me think Lashiel is more likely than Anduriel is the WoJ that says both Lash and Lashiel appeared in Ghost Story under different names. Who else in Ghost Story could be Lashiel?

I seem to remember this coming up from before... and disagreeing with the interpretation that he was referring to them separately.

[GenericMook]

The part that makes me think Lashiel is more likely than Anduriel is the WoJ that says both Lash and Lashiel appeared in Ghost Story under different names. Who else in Ghost Story could be Lashiel?

Clearly, Lasciel is Sir Stuart!

[Mauve Shirt]

But Soras, we know they're separate, because they have to fight each other.

[Soras Teva Gee]

But Soras, we know they're separate, because they have to fight each other.

And what? Being separate doesn't mean that's what the WoJ supported

I was obliquely poking in the hopes you'd go and grab the specific quote again.

[Tavar]

Ehh it raises a question of how since Fallen aren't supposed to be able to act of Earth. We are told point blank the Fallen can't act on Earth. No I don't buy the whole balance thing to cover all of that.

Anyways point being we know a better canidate given the description as a shadow. Who else is a shadow and known to be capable of action... oh right Anduriel aka Nick's demon.

Actually given the coming premise this makes me wonder if Harry was literally set up to become the Winter Knight with this all in mind.

Of course the fallen have some measure of influence: that's what the coins are about after all.

Also, ignoring the fact it could have been a normal demon to whisper, couldn't it have also been some sort of outsider or something? Likely a weak one, but that seems like the sort of thing Outsiders are good at.

[The Glyphstone]

Of course the fallen have some measure of influence: that's what the coins are about after all.

Also, ignoring the fact it could have been a normal demon to whisper, couldn't it have also been some sort of outsider or something? Likely a weak one, but that seems like the sort of thing Outsiders are good at.

Except Uriel was only able to act in counter to the shadow that whispered to Harry. He's not allowed to act to counter Outsiders, specifically the Fallen. Thus, it had to be a Fallen of some kind.

[Tavar]

Oh, was that made explicit? Oh well.

Though...are we actually told flat out that the fallen can't interfere? I thought we knew that the Fallen can, given what happened in Small Favors.

[Soras Teva Gee]

Except Uriel was only able to act in counter to the shadow that whispered to Harry. He's not allowed to act to counter Outsiders, specifically the Fallen. Thus, it had to be a Fallen of some kind.

Demons were invoked too. Any number of things could whispher in an ear but having the exacting knowledge of humanity to so finely manipulate someone it constitutes a violation of free will. Well they are outsiders for a reason.

And I don't think push comes to shove Uriel is entirely without the ability to act against Outsiders.

Oh, was that made explicit? Oh well.

Though...are we actually told flat out that the fallen can't interfere? I thought we knew that the Fallen can, given what happened in Small Favors.

When Harry first had the Denarians explained in Book 5 he had earlier talking about the Fallen not being able to act on Earth for reasons unknown but ranging from advanced magical ressonance to "because God said so" thus could not turn people into giant bears...and was very very scared these ones could.

Nominally though that bar still holds. If its still to be taken seriously as a restrciton I don't think "because Angel will balance it" would be nearly enough to maintain it myself. Not for entities that are peers.

(Why Denarians at all then, likely because humans made the coins out of Judas' silver)

[Tavar]

Well, we already know that what was said in book 5 had to be either wrong or simplistic, given Satan himself apparently involved himself in Small Favors, and was balanced out by Uriel.

[Anderlith]

So we know that all beings other than mortals must act according to their nature, with little free will or choice.

Lash came into existence out of Lashiel because of Harry contaminating her. Is it perhaps possible for a mortal to contaminate other beings?

[Lamech]

I'm pretty sure that it's been all-but-confirmed that the parasite is Lash.

Also, judging from Demonreach's statements at the end of Ghost Story and in Cold Days, we know that it's still around.

I seriously wonder what it'll do, though.

Edit: You know what strikes me as odd?

The fact that Victor Sells, a two-bit sorcerer, was able to whip up a substitute for opening one's Sight. The only other time we've actually seen something close is Rashid's ointment. Granted, the latter isn't a drug or anything, but I'm curious if we'll ever see anything like ThreeEye again.

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There were vague references to the theory that a wizards power comes from his ability to sense magic. So wizards are really the strongest spellcasters because they have the best magic senses. The best of which is the Sight. Now what if you could magically grant people those senses...

[GenericMook]

Well, we already know that what was said in book 5 had to be either wrong or simplistic, given Satan himself apparently involved himself in Small Favors, and was balanced out by Uriel.

That kinda makes you wonder how much of an impact the whole thing about Harry getting soulfire really has.

Also, I'm pretty sure we get all our knowledge about the Fallen's ability to exercise influence from one of the Knights in book 5. Unless they got the knowledge directly from an angel, it's quite likely either incorrect or not wholly accurate.

[Tavar]

Considering the reactions of those who know besides Bob, I think it is safe to say it is a big deal.

[Mauve Shirt]

Fun theory about Lasciel here.

I can't find the Lash vs. Lasciel quote. I might have dreamed that one up. But we do know that the two are completely separate.

Also keep in mind that Lasciel is NOT Lash; Lasciel did not reabsorb the entity that Harry actually changed.

[Soras Teva Gee]

Fun theory about Lasciel here.

Its interesting but badly out of date now as a theory given that we know something is in Harry's head. Even at the time I'd point that

I can't find the Lash vs. Lasciel quote. I might have dreamed that one up. But we do know that the two are completely separate.

Oh I'm totally not disputing that.

[Salbazier]

So, I've (finally!) marathoned Changes-Ghost Story-Cold Days.

Made my weekend . Its freakin' awesome.