LGBTAitP 26: No Time For Snappy Titles

[Arachu]

There are just so many things wrong with infant and child healthcare and rights.


@ SiuiS: *So many hugs* It wouldn't be selfish to carve a happier mask. :<

*Also hugs anyone who wants/needs hugs~*

Nobody's made a Jack Heart-ness pun yet?

Anyways, just found out that a girl I liked has a crush on my friend. She told me this today (she doesn't realize I have a crush on her) after she was chatting with him and I on the bus home.

This strange line of love goes like this:

Me > Girl > Friend

Friend oblivious to > Girl's advances

Me trying to win over > Girl

I don't think she realizes he's a Senior (we're Sophomores), that he's not a fan of anything she likes, and that he's also the most dull and non-social guy in the universe (not that it creates a gap in our friendship; I'm not too social, either).

I'm not sure what difference two years makes... But *hugs*

So I had my first therapist appointment today. I really got lucky because even though it was just an evaluation thing and so I got a random therapist until the evaluation is complete, the therapist I talked to had experience with trans* issues and was really understanding. Even though I was really nervous, it felt so good just to physically tell someone about being trans and not just endlessly turn it over in my head.

:3

Maybe our innocence is stolen bit by precious bit until we are left with our cold human selves, willing to cause pain to others for our own convenience with little thought to it.

Perhaps innocence is a myth? Plenty of children do cruel things, and many adults wouldn't dream of it. A lot of those adults were those children.


~Bianca

[Heliomance]

Odd dream last night. Dreamt I was out en femme but forgot to disguise my voice. Ended up having to run away from a large and burly bigot. Also my parents were lesbians, I think. Not certain.

[SiuiS]

Sorry, I think I might be turning into a Mind-flayer recently. ^_^'

My main point was basically that you should both talk it over and see if it is possible to find a solution that leaves both of you happy. I cannot imagine your filly being glad that you would be miserable, even if you were miserable for your filly's sake.

It's cool
It's a tangent I like to explore. But my personal slants on the philosophy of identity aren't exactly thread relevant, or even internally consistent anymore.

That's the crux though, isn't it? The difference between bein happy and me being miserable, and being happy that I am miserable, is one of awareness. When one learns I something they become responsible for that knowledge. I cannot say she is doin anything meanly, but once she has the information to make educated statements, then I would have to accept that her thoughts on the matter are her own and not just idle speculation. I suppose fear had a part to play in my silence.


Worked out in the end though. We had a bit of serendipity. In idle talk of wanting a house, she said she liked me enough to settle down. When I asked "all of me?" with the usual level of slight amused sarcasm (as a defense mechanism, naturally) she said yes, and even though I don't talk about wanting to be a girl anymore, she knows it's still important and maybe I should talk about it more. Which is egg on my face if you folks can peg that answer and I couldnt and I live with her. Haha.

It is also a Danish thing. :3

Many children here, whether they later end up as brunettes, blondes, auburns or possibly even other colours, start out as very blonde and later have their hair darken and change. Same thing happens to eye colour, I think, only experienced the hair myself (very bright blonde to dark blonde).

I hve hear it referred to recently as "seasonal" hair, where te darkening is attributed to environmental conditions; I know that now, working nights and sleeping through the early mornings, I get far less sunlight than I used to. My hair has darkened considerably since even middle school, as larger homework loads kept me inside.

Unfortunately, it also coincides with puberty. So it's difficult to ascertain.

Not necessarily. Or has the idea that at least some of trans* issues derive from brain-sex not matching body-sex become entirely discredited since I last checked? Certainly I haven't found anything that discredits the idea that our brain hardware either is entirely or in large part our mental software, so I'd be quite interested in some edification there.

In a world where the mind can actually be entirely divorced from hormones and the original neurochemistry that spawned it, well, who knows? We've got a fair bit of neuroplasticity, but is that just from the lipid and meat in our heads? Or would our minds become more malleable due to not having to wrangle all of that meat or more set in stone due to the way data is stored?

*shrug*

I feel it answers itself. In a world where a hypothetical Coidzor can be removed from his body, put into another body an remain Coidzor, the limits of hardware on a permanent and ephemeral level have already been removed; neither brain composition, nor hormones, seem to have too large an effect on the existence of the discrete entity. At this point, technobabble and science fiction aside, we can safely say mind-swap discussions from Ghost in the Shell is about souls. I am confident in saying that if your soul is Male, it's going to be Male whether or not your current body has ovaries or a Y chromosome or even any tissue at all.

Ah yes the red facial hair it's the curse of the irish blood I tell ya and I too suffer from it. Although I have dark brown hair so I'm a dark haired, red bearded and bright extremely blue eyed person.

Curse?

Saw this gem on facebook a minute ago.

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I always have like the spa triplets. So pretty~
Man though, I know a body who will have an apoplectic fit at someone saying Octavia is asexual. I agree though, she reminds me of Noparlpf.

Really? Wikipedia says, in reference to individuals with both ovarian and testicular tissue, "there are no documented cases in which both types of gonadal tissue function" (for pregnancy/impregnation). It is only Wikipedia, so grain of salt and all that, but the sources seem fairly legit.

There are makes born without testicles that fiction properly, and females born without ovaries that function properly. This doesn't make them any less male
Or female; why would similar dysfunction in a hermaphrodite disqualify them from being a hermaphrodite?

Odd dream last night. Dreamt I was out en femme but forgot to disguise my voice. Ended up having to run away from a large and burly bigot. Also my parents were lesbians, I think. Not certain.

interesting. I only had a dream I was a werewolf who was going to fail a math test. Your dream is way cooler. Though possibly not pleasant, hard to tell.

[ScionoftheVoid]

As far as I'm aware, "hermaphrodite" is often taken as offensive when used about humans. Intersex is the accepted and much preferable term, again as far as I'm aware.

[Arachu]

Odd dream last night. Dreamt I was out en femme but forgot to disguise my voice. Ended up having to run away from a large and burly bigot. Also my parents were lesbians, I think. Not certain.

at the second part - @.@ *Hugs!* at the first. D:

Worked out in the end though. We had a bit of serendipity. In idle talk of wanting a house, she said she liked me enough to settle down. When I asked "all of me?" with the usual level of slight amused sarcasm (as a defense mechanism, naturally) she said yes, and even though I don't talk about wanting to be a girl anymore, she knows it's still important and maybe I should talk about it more. Which is egg on my face if you folks can peg that answer and I couldnt and I live with her. Haha.

That works~

(Granted that page doesn't fit a combination of two apparent choices... Eh, I'm not the first to use it that way. )

I feel it answers itself. In a world where a hypothetical Coidzor can be removed from his body, put into another body an remain Coidzor, the limits of hardware on a permanent and ephemeral level have already been removed; neither brain composition, nor hormones, seem to have too large an effect on the existence of the discrete entity. At this point, technobabble and science fiction aside, we can safely say mind-swap discussions from Ghost in the Shell is about souls. I am confident in saying that if your soul is Male, it's going to be Male whether or not your current body has ovaries or a Y chromosome or even any tissue at all.

It's worth noting - software is stored in hardware. If anything, the former's just configuration patterns for the latter.

There are makes born without testicles that fiction properly, and females born without ovaries that function properly. This doesn't make them any less male
Or female; why would similar dysfunction in a hermaphrodite disqualify them from being a hermaphrodite?

Good point. @.@


~Bianca (I feel like trying green out for some reason. )

[Eurus]

There are makes born without testicles that fiction properly, and females born without ovaries that function properly. This doesn't make them any less male
Or female; why would similar dysfunction in a hermaphrodite disqualify them from being a hermaphrodite?

Well sure. I'm sorry if I caused offense, I was referring to the technical definition in biology of a hermaphroditic organism as one that has reproductive organs normally associated with both male and female sexes -- which, in humans, have so far never been found to both be functional for reproduction in the same individual. A person can obviously be male or female or both or none of the above regardless of reproductive capability.

[noparlpf]

Saw this gem on facebook a minute ago.

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That's a great one, I saw it in a past iteration of this thread.

Most true hermaphrodites are modified shortly after birth to be what the parents want them to be. It does occur.

There has never been a truly hermaphroditic human. (True hermaphrodite meaning both types of gonadal tissue are present and functional.) You're thinking "intersex", which is the currently accepted term rather than "(not-true) hermaphrodite", and which means that the individual has superficial traits of both sexes due to some errors in genes or hormone levels during gestation.

Odd dream last night. Dreamt I was out en femme but forgot to disguise my voice. Ended up having to run away from a large and burly bigot. Also my parents were lesbians, I think. Not certain.

That sounds kind of scary, and then for the latter bit, kind of odd.
I dreamed I was winning in a competition (some sort of obstacle course, involving simple puzzles and such) against a group of ten-year-old kids. "Winning".

[supernerd]

Perhaps innocence is a myth? Plenty of children do cruel things, and many adults wouldn't dream of it. A lot of those adults were those children.


~Bianca

Well the Magical Girl class here can technically be evil as long as it stays innocent.

[Kindablue]

And then my client broke. Hmm... *looks into Mod sabotage!*

Which one were you using?

*Also hugs anyone who wants/needs hugs~*

yay~

Perhaps innocence is a myth? Plenty of children do cruel things, and many adults wouldn't dream of it. A lot of those adults were those children.

That reminds me of a Charles Lamb quote. "Lawyers, I suppose, were children once."

[Mina Kobold]

Perhaps innocence is a myth? Plenty of children do cruel things, and many adults wouldn't dream of it. A lot of those adults were those children.


~Bianca

I find innocence a delightful toy for the study of fear and the art of horror. Quite deliciously unspoiled.

As the local expert on Koboldian dictionaries, I would say that innocence is the lack of knowledge about consequences and the crueller sides of the world. A child may easily cause great evil, but not feel the guilt they would do if they knew that their acts caused it. A less loaded version of ignorance, I suppose. ^_^'

Odd dream last night. Dreamt I was out en femme but forgot to disguise my voice. Ended up having to run away from a large and burly bigot. Also my parents were lesbians, I think. Not certain.

Somehow, I read this as the journal of a dimension-hopper. It was silly. :3

That reminds me of a Charles Lamb quote. "Lawyers, I suppose, were children once."

Not that I necessarily disagree in regards to the lawyers and former lawyers that I know, but I do think it is a bit too generalising to paint them all as guilty. I am sure many of them wish only to find the truth! Even if they find it through dealings with creatures of strange aeons and impossible evil. :D

[Astrella]

Well, it's tricky even there, because if she has sex with a woman and has male genitalia, well, then you're defining lesbian sex as including male genitalia. Or maybe just messy, like all human things are.

You have sex with people though, not genitals? I mean, it's not like heterosexual sex has to sole rights to penetration (strapon, fingers and other things...). And only a subset of MAAB people are okay with using their genitals in such a way; there's a lot more stuff you can do with them. (Not to add that for the subset who are on some form of HRT it doesn't even behave / look like one necessarily.)

So, uhm, I guess my point is that certain sexual acts aren't tied to a certain orientation?

[KenderWizard]

Yeah that especially sucks when you like and prefer intelligent partners. I have tried dating less academically inclined women and quite frankly eventually it becomes quite frustrating not being able to discuss scientific things that interest you without this vapid look of boredom appearing on your partners face.

Like many things culture tells us, the dumb=sexy thing is basically nonsense.

Not that your curses are that potent. Ye can't even do proper rune magic.

Yeah, but we can do proper beating-the-s**t-out-of-uppity-Scandos magic, lad, so watch it.

Hmm. Actually, come to think of it, I can't remember ever seeing ugly female scientists in visual media. ...Or really reading about them except in obviously partisan screeds. The worst I can remember is women with their hair done up in a silly, out-dated manner.

Ah, you see, actually unattractive females are not permitted to be seen by the public. Like Kabuki theatre, there's an elaborate set of visual codes to denote "unattractiveness". These include thick glasses, frizzy hair, and anyone over a dress size 10. That's an Irish 10.

[Asta Kask]

Like many things culture tells us, the dumb=sexy thing is basically nonsense.

Although Sara Palin is pretty hot, in a milfy way.

[Coidzor]

Although Sara Palin is pretty hot, in a milfy way.

Sarah Palin, and please, please, please can we go very far away from this now?

[Asta Kask]

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I stand by my statement. And if you're not nice I'll ask Lix to ship her with you.

[Thajocoth]

...ship her...

Is she somehow cargo? I don't get it.

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Speaking of odd dreams, I had a really strange dream a few years ago...

Some might find it a bit disturbing, so I'm hiding it in a spoiler tag:

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The setting seemed to be a plain white alley... Like you might imagine in the middle of a giant rat maze. I was with a girl. She wanted to marry me, but it was unacceptable because I was a guy. Guys were less than girls or something, so girls could marry girls, but guys couldn't normally marry or something.

So, she brought me around the corner where there was a stand, of a style you might get Italian Ice from, but they were selling severed boobs. She bought me a boob and nailed it to my shirtless chest, on my left side, barely above the nipple. It felt a little uncomfortable, but didn't hurt. The nail was sticking out a good inch from my chest with this boob just dangling there about a half inch away from me. Somehow, this made it acceptable for her to marry me.

I think the dream, or at least the scene ended there... I'm not sure because, same night, there was another dream segment: There was a little bit of a spring sticking out of my left nipple. I tried to rotate it out, pulling sightly, but that just made it hurt (sting a little) and didn't make any progress.

I woke up with a sore left nipple. I don't think the dream meant anything. (I take that opinion on pretty much all dreams.) It was probably just trying to explain the cramp while I was asleep so I don't wake up from it. It's really rare that I ever remember a dream though.

[Coidzor]

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I stand by my statement. And if you're not nice I'll ask Lix to ship her with you.

Then you misunderstand my reservations, my apologies.

[golentan]

Is she somehow cargo? I don't get it.

No, no, no, shipping. Shipping Cargo is something else entirely.

[Thajocoth]

No, no, no, shipping. Shipping Cargo is something else entirely.

That's just confusing. Shipping is already in the dictionary as something you do to get boxes & such from point A to point B. To have it double as a slang term for wanting two fictional characters to hook up, which is so completely unrelated to moving things, seems out of place to me.

[golentan]

That's just confusing. Shipping is already in the dictionary as something you do to get boxes & such from point A to point B. To have it double as a slang term for wanting two fictional characters to hook up, which is so completely unrelated to moving things, seems out of place to me.

Welcome to modern english. "Out of place" and "just confusing" are two of the nicer things I've heard said about it.

[Jeff the Green]

There has never been a truly hermaphroditic human. (True hermaphrodite meaning both types of gonadal tissue are present and functional.) You're thinking "intersex", which is the currently accepted term rather than "(not-true) hermaphrodite", and which means that the individual has superficial traits of both sexes due to some errors in genes or hormone levels during gestation.

At least when I learned it (in middle school in the 90s), merm, herm, and ferm were used to describe various kinds of intersex conditions. As far as I can tell with just googling, the terminology was (is?) accepted by some intersexed people. Someone with more knowledge can definitely correct me on that, though. (For those interested, merm is testes with female genitalia, herm is a testis and an ovary, and ferm is ovaries with male genitalia.)

That's just confusing. Shipping is already in the dictionary as something you do to get boxes & such from point A to point B. To have it double as a slang term for wanting two fictional characters to hook up, which is so completely unrelated to moving things, seems out of place to me.

We are talking about English, right? The language that "was carefully, carefully cobbled together by three blind dudes and a German dictionary"? Since I'm stealing others' words, I might as well add that
"the problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

Perhaps innocence is a myth? Plenty of children do cruel things, and many adults wouldn't dream of it. A lot of those adults were those children.

Children are basically psychopaths. I mean, we're talking about creatures that take at least 18 years to go from "I shouldn't punch my brother because I'd get caught and punished (but it's okay if I don't get caught)" to "I shouldn't punch my brother because it's wrong."

[noparlpf]

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I stand by my statement. And if you're not nice I'll ask Lix to ship her with you.

Welcome to modern english. "Out of place" and "just confusing" are two of the nicer things I've heard said about it.

Possibly the nicest things I've heard of it. (My mum's an English teacher and she's kind of old-fashioned about it.)

Children are basically psychopaths. I mean, we're talking about creatures that take at least 18 years to go from "I shouldn't punch my brother because I'd get caught and punished (but it's okay if I don't get caught)" to "I shouldn't punch my brother because it's wrong."

Admittedly I'm kind of precocious, but I had that down by the time I was nine or ten.

[Irish Musician]

Welcome to modern english. "Out of place" and "just confusing" are two of the nicer things I've heard said about it.

As a native English speaker.....I don't even get English right a lot of the time, and that is my first language!! So I don't understand how, exactly, native English speakers expect people who are just learning English to completely grasp it. I mean, it is a cluster-(deleted) of languages.....it literally has roots in pretty much every language in Europe, and boy howdy does it show. I like German better. It is so organized......subject, verb, everything else. For a question, Verb, subject, everything else......man its awesome!

[SaintRidley]

That's just confusing. Shipping is already in the dictionary as something you do to get boxes & such from point A to point B. To have it double as a slang term for wanting two fictional characters to hook up, which is so completely unrelated to moving things, seems out of place to me.

It's based on the word relationship, if that helps you out.


I cannot wait for this wedding to be over. I hate the planning part of things. I just spent two hours hunched over to try and figure out seating. Stupid wedding.

[Thajocoth]

It's based on the word relationship, if that helps you out.

Yeah, I got that from the link before. They should at least change it to "relationshipping"... Abbreviating things in ways that are already other words is counter-productive.

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I realized that when I linked the charts earlier, I left out a detail. On the 2nd chart (the filled out one), the blue dots are me and the purple dots are my girl.

[Mynxae]

Is she somehow cargo? I don't get it.

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Speaking of odd dreams, I had a really strange dream a few years ago...

Some might find it a bit disturbing, so I'm hiding it in a spoiler tag:

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The setting seemed to be a plain white alley... Like you might imagine in the middle of a giant rat maze. I was with a girl. She wanted to marry me, but it was unacceptable because I was a guy. Guys were less than girls or something, so girls could marry girls, but guys couldn't normally marry or something.

So, she brought me around the corner where there was a stand, of a style you might get Italian Ice from, but they were selling severed boobs. She bought me a boob and nailed it to my shirtless chest, on my left side, barely above the nipple. It felt a little uncomfortable, but didn't hurt. The nail was sticking out a good inch from my chest with this boob just dangling there about a half inch away from me. Somehow, this made it acceptable for her to marry me.

I think the dream, or at least the scene ended there... I'm not sure because, same night, there was another dream segment: There was a little bit of a spring sticking out of my left nipple. I tried to rotate it out, pulling sightly, but that just made it hurt (sting a little) and didn't make any progress.

I woke up with a sore left nipple. I don't think the dream meant anything. (I take that opinion on pretty much all dreams.) It was probably just trying to explain the cramp while I was asleep so I don't wake up from it. It's really rare that I ever remember a dream though.

I could probably top that off, but thats only because I have really weird dreams. For example, where Ele (Elemental, he's my bestie in real life) was the king of a kingdom, his sister was a princess in a pink dress (she hates pink and dresses, so odd yes?) and his Mum was a biker chick with a motorbike. In the throne room.

[Thajocoth]

Children are basically psychopaths. I mean, we're talking about creatures that take at least 18 years to go from "I shouldn't punch my brother because I'd get caught and punished (but it's okay if I don't get caught)" to "I shouldn't punch my brother because it's wrong."

When I was a child, my personal morals more closely matched the mainstream. Now, there are a great deal of things that I only don't do because I don't want to risk getting arrested. I guess I went in reverse?

Granted, punching someone who does not consent to it is not one of those things.

[golentan]

Yeah, I understood perfectly well the concept of shame and immoral actions as a kid, at least as early as age 3. Then, as now, I could be tempted to immoral action by sufficiently strong emotions. Now, however, it takes stronger actions to stir a response.

[SiuiS]

Well sure. I'm sorry if I caused offense, I was referring to the technical definition in biology of a hermaphroditic organism as one that has reproductive organs normally associated with both male and female sexes -- which, in humans, have so far never been found to both be functional for reproduction in the same individual. A person can obviously be male or female or both or none of the above regardless of reproductive capability.

See, your technical definition includes the presence of, but your definition for human is presence of and completely functional. You're getting more specific for human. That's what throws me off. You're judging. Heman trait by a different definition than the one you gave me.

Which one were you using?

It's a app. IRC999 I believe.

That reminds me of a Charles Lamb quote. "Lawyers, I suppose, were children once."

To be fair, the one lawyer I know is a pretty cool guy.

That's just confusing. Shipping is already in the dictionary as something you do to get boxes & such from point A to point B. To have it double as a slang term for wanting two fictional characters to hook up, which is so completely unrelated to moving things, seems out of place to me.

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It's less confusing and more the promulgation of a grammar issue. It should be 'shipping to show its cut of of a word. It's no more incorrect then mixing up where and were, there, their and they're, and weather or not the whether is nice

Children are basically psychopaths. I mean, we're talking about creatures that take at least 18 years to go from "I shouldn't punch my brother because I'd get caught and punished (but it's okay if I don't get caught)" to "I shouldn't punch my brother because it's wrong."

Eh. Even "I don't punch my brother because it is wrong" requires you to first accept that it is wrong. That's the sticking point. I had that down at seven years.

As a native English speaker.....I don't even get English right a lot of the time, and that is my first language!! So I don't understand how, exactly, native English speakers expect people who are just learning English to completely grasp it. I mean, it is a cluster-(deleted) of languages.....it literally has roots in pretty much every language in Europe, and boy howdy does it show. I like German better. It is so organized......subject, verb, everything else. For a question, Verb, subject, everything else......man its awesome!

It's not the words, it's the slang. German slang is theoretically just as confusing. I know Russian is; teapot is a weird way to say newbie.

Reminds me of an old bloke I know who got an entire bar to follow him outside in the dead of winter, because he was going to - pardo my spelling - schloggen ze shtoffen; hit the road. Punch the street.

When I was a child, my personal morals more closely matched the mainstream. Now, there are a great deal of things that I only don't do because I don't want to risk getting arrested. I guess I went in reverse?

Granted, punching someone who does not consent to it is not one of those things.

Nah. Critical thinking applied to the law is usually for the better. "I will play by the rules because I want others to, even if some of the rules are silly" is pretty logical.

[Thajocoth]

Nah. Critical thinking applied to the law is usually for the better. "I will play by the rules because I want others to, even if some of the rules are silly" is pretty logical.

It's more... "I'll play by the rules, even the ones I think are wrong, no matter how much I want to do what they're forbidding, because I would hate prison."