Fairy Tail II: Second Generation Thread Slayers

[LaZodiac]

I'm not saying women should be treated as flowers. I'm infact really excited to see Wendy fight tooth and nail against Zirconis, and I expect her and Mariejean (or however her name is spelt) to get torn apart rather nicely but then win. The problem is that throughout the entire series Lucy has kind of been...well, she's BEEN a delicate flower. She's yelled a few times, but she hasn't really done much to show she can take it as much as she can dish it out, yah know?

I'm totally okay with sexy comedy. It's...just not all that funny for the big ole dragon to get his rape face on while holding a weak, naked individual (be they male or female) that they intend to eat.

But yes. Moving on! I wonder how the other Dragonslayers are doing, fighting dragons that don't have the gimic of "I'm on fire" "I tear your cloths off" and "I poop baby soldiers at you". The rock guy and...I think there is one more dragon, the one with the blade face, we haven't seen much of them.

[Olinser]

I'm not saying women should be treated as flowers. I'm infact really excited to see Wendy fight tooth and nail against Zirconis, and I expect her and Mariejean (or however her name is spelt) to get torn apart rather nicely but then win. The problem is that throughout the entire series Lucy has kind of been...well, she's BEEN a delicate flower. She's yelled a few times, but she hasn't really done much to show she can take it as much as she can dish it out, yah know?

I'm totally okay with sexy comedy. It's...just not all that funny for the big ole dragon to get his rape face on while holding a weak, naked individual (be they male or female) that they intend to eat.

But yes. Moving on! I wonder how the other Dragonslayers are doing, fighting dragons that don't have the gimic of "I'm on fire" "I tear your cloths off" and "I poop baby soldiers at you". The rock guy and...I think there is one more dragon, the one with the blade face, we haven't seen much of them.

That's her role. Erza is Tough Chick. Lucy is Girly Chick.

Her character has been pretty consistent throughout the series - at this point it would be a huge asspull for Lucy to suddenly develop Erza-level powers.

Not every character has to be the tough front-line fighter.

[lord_khaine]

Not every character has to be the tough front-line fighter.

And Lucy is at the same time also suposed to be a lot smarter than the remaining main cast (though that bar isnt set very high )

[Soras Teva Gee]

But yes. Moving on! I wonder how the other Dragonslayers are doing, fighting dragons that don't have the gimic of "I'm on fire" "I tear your cloths off" and "I poop baby soldiers at you". The rock guy and...I think there is one more dragon, the one with the blade face, we haven't seen much of them.

I think we'll end up with a lot of half-battles we only get bits and pieces of.

For matchups though we've have

Natsu : Mothergrea w/Future!Rogue
Wendy : Zilconis
Laxus : Atlas Flambe
Sting : Blade Face
Rogue : ----
Gajeel : ----
Cobra : Stone No Nose

That's two dragons we haven't seen much of at all. The Wyvern style black and white one and the one with a D&D Silver style crest.

Presumably they are being fought by Mermaid Heel, Lamia Scale, and Quatro Puppy at the moment.

No wait I made a mistake there... the games are technically over so its Quatro Cerberus again.

[LaZodiac]

That's her role. Erza is Tough Chick. Lucy is Girly Chick.

Her character has been pretty consistent throughout the series - at this point it would be a huge asspull for Lucy to suddenly develop Erza-level powers.

Not every character has to be the tough front-line fighter.

I'm not asking for Erza level OP levels. I'm asking for "Lucy has shown that, even for a brief moment, she can summon every spirit she owns. She has a really interesting magic style since barely any shows have a full on summoner as a main cast member. Make her do SOMETHING."

[Olinser]

I'm not asking for Erza level OP levels. I'm asking for "Lucy has shown that, even for a brief moment, she can summon every spirit she owns. She has a really interesting magic style since barely any shows have a full on summoner as a main cast member. Make her do SOMETHING."

I guess you completely missed the recent chapter where she was the ONLY cast member not grabbing firmly ahold of the Idiot Ball, realized Eclipse was a trap, and was able to close it before more than just a few dragons got through.

[LaZodiac]

I guess you completely missed the recent chapter where she was the ONLY cast member not grabbing firmly ahold of the Idiot Ball, realized Eclipse was a trap, and was able to close it before more than just a few dragons got through.

Naw, I got that. I just wanna see her fight more often, is all

[Olinser]

Naw, I got that. I just wanna see her fight more often, is all

Again, that's simply not her role in the story. Erza is the fighter. Lucy is the smart (and often only SANE) person in the guild. Her powers are mainly defensive, not offensive.

[Hopeless]

Again, that's simply not her role in the story. Erza is the fighter. Lucy is the smart (and often only SANE) person in the guild. Her powers are mainly defensive, not offensive.

Like when she thought her dad was in danger and got her spirits help to tunnel underneath the merchants guild he had joined and took out the dark guild holding the people inside hostage all by herself and her spirits only to discover her father having to walk there since she didn't give him the money for the trip arrived after she met up with the others whilst searching for him?

Should I spoiler that?

[lord_khaine]

Like when she thought her dad was in danger and got her spirits help to tunnel underneath the merchants guild he had joined and took out the dark guild holding the people inside hostage all by herself and her spirits only to discover her father having to walk there since she didn't give him the money for the trip arrived after she met up with the others whilst searching for him?

Well yeah, she is smart, and that was actualy a good strategy for handling things.

She is also a quite skilled mage, and in most other guilds she would be their ace fighter.

Unfortunately strenght is relative, and she is part of Fairy Tail, a guild so rediculous overpowered that they could proberly have claimed the top 3 spots in the magical tournament if they wanted to. And in that company she is kinda weak.

[Soras Teva Gee]

I think the story would be a little boring if all the members of main cast were total and complete badasses. Lucy balances that out fairly well.

And I'd point out its not like she incompetant. Actually argument can be made she currently holds the record for being the most effective member of the guild. So help me Fairy Tail has saved towns, the day, and itself more then a little.

Lucy though is the only one that has saved the world.

(What you do don't think stopping countless dragons by closing the gate counts? For shame. its lack of violence only increases its elegance and superiority. Yes Yukino helped, but 5/6ths of the world is still a lot more then anyone else)

[LaZodiac]

I think the main crux of the problem is not that Lucy is too weak, but that the others are too strong. Remember, just a week or two ago, we were calling that Erza could take one of the dragons herself. Like, with no assistance. That's just a touch bit overpowered, considering how powerful dragons are supposed to be.

[lord_khaine]

And I'd point out its not like she incompetant. Actually argument can be made she currently holds the record for being the most effective member of the guild. So help me Fairy Tail has saved towns, the day, and itself more then a little.

It doesnt say much to be the most effective member of a guild that specialises in collatoral damage

Lucy though is the only one that has saved the world.

I would really love to give her effectivenes full credit for that, but i just dont think it would be fitting considering that it was coincidence that placed her close to the gate, and luck that placed one of the few people who could help her close the gate nearby.

[Soras Teva Gee]

I think the main crux of the problem is not that Lucy is too weak, but that the others are too strong. Remember, just a week or two ago, we were calling that Erza could take one of the dragons herself. Like, with no assistance. That's just a touch bit overpowered, considering how powerful dragons are supposed to be.

You do realize what you just did there right?

You took a speculation you had... and acted upon it like it was an accomplished reality.

Thats a pretty dangerous way of thinking don't you think?

At any rate I'd probably mind Erza dragon slaying a bit less then "oh only a DS can do it" which is just kinda lame. Yeah Erza is a monster and then stuff, but she more then has company at that front. Though if I supported her alone doing it at the time I think that would be a bad call on my front too. I think calling in the DSes is a good idea for the story but I'd rather everyone else still be able to do something too.

Something other then the seemingly inevitable heroic sacrifice to shield an attack for a DS... seriously how much you wanna bet someone is going to do that.

Anyways I still think that while the DSes in the lead makes sense even they needed offensive backup would have been much better. Don't mess with humanity is a much better message then don't mess with Dragon Slayers.

[LaZodiac]

You do realize what you just did there right?

You took a speculation you had... and acted upon it like it was an accomplished reality.

Thats a pretty dangerous way of thinking don't you think?

I am not quite sure what you mean, sorry

[lord_khaine]

At any rate I'd probably mind Erza dragon slaying a bit less then "oh only a DS can do it" which is just kinda lame. Yeah Erza is a monster and then stuff, but she more then has company at that front. Though if I supported her alone doing it at the time I think that would be a bad call on my front too. I think calling in the DSes is a good idea for the story but I'd rather everyone else still be able to do something too.

I agree on this point, while it make sense for DS magic to be the best way to hurt a dragon, then i find it stupid that its the only thing that can do it.

[LaZodiac]

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Okay, so, turns out eating the heart theory was wrong. Natsu is still eating Atlas Flame in some way, though. Which...lets be perfectly honest, is still GOD DAMN DARK, GUYS.

...and then Atlas Flame is like "This...this nomming on my head, it feels like Igneel" and then Atlas Flame was a good guy.

.......look, I'm not one to hate on Fairy Tail unless something stupid actually happens. But this...this is awful no matter which way you cut it. Atlas Flame just went "your eating me reminds me of Igneel". What kind of relationship do you have if BEING EATEN reminds you of your old friend?

[Macros]

Yeah, I'm pretty much with you on that one.

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Oh, and that line "no one would have thought of that!" was sarcasm, right? Right ? Because seriously, I think pretty much everyone did.

And finally, that's some weak-ass dragon-controlling magic here. If I were Rogue, I'd ask for a refund.

[Olinser]

I agree on this point, while it make sense for DS magic to be the best way to hurt a dragon, then i find it stupid that its the only thing that can do it.

There is no confirmation that it is the ONLY thing that can hurt it. The only one that really took a serious shot at a dragon with serious power was Makarov - and let's be honest, trying to punch somebody made entirely of flame is pretty stupid.

Mirajane certainly isn't acting like she can't hurt the dragon Wendy is fighting.

[Kato]

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Meh, I'm not as annoyed by the turn of events because Atlas was confused by a person eating him... I guess even if there is more than one fire dragon around the fact that Natsu happens to be Igneel's son would count for something of they are friends.
The fact that Rogue's Dragon control is that weak is pretty dumb, though.

Also, not enough stuff happening today. Meh, I'm still kind of satisfied from last week...

[LaZodiac]

Yeah, I'm pretty much with you on that one.

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Oh, and that line "no one would have thought of that!" was sarcasm, right? Right ? Because seriously, I think pretty much everyone did.

And finally, that's some weak-ass dragon-controlling magic here. If I were Rogue, I'd ask for a refund.

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Well, it's Happy, the guy is literally as smart as a rock.

Right, I forgot Stingrogue was controlling them. Good job.

[Olinser]

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Meh, I'm not as annoyed by the turn of events because Atlas was confused by a person eating him... I guess even if there is more than one fire dragon around the fact that Natsu happens to be Igneel's son would count for something of they are friends.
The fact that Rogue's Dragon control is that weak is pretty dumb, though.

Also, not enough stuff happening today. Meh, I'm still kind of satisfied from last week...

Why is it dumb? Rogue is the retarded one for thinking he could control them in the first place. He's the classic over-reaching villain, too stupid to realize he messing with powers he can't really control.

Seriously, if it were that easy to control dragons, why is everybody so bat**** scared of them?

Lets be honest - did anybody really expect this to end in anything OTHER than the dragons breaking free from Rogue?

[Kato]

Why is it dumb? Rogue is the retarded one for thinking he could control them in the first place. He's the classic over-reaching villain, too stupid to realize he messing with powers he can't really control.

Seriously, if it were that easy to control dragons, why is everybody so bat**** scared of them?

Lets be honest - did anybody really expect this to end in anything OTHER than the dragons breaking free from Rogue?

I guess I'm giving too much credit to Rogue then because I'd assume if someone plans to take over the world with dragons he'd have tested his dragon controlling powers on one or two of them...

[Macros]

No, I just thought it would take a bit more than "Hey, you know Igneel ? Me too ! Isn't that great ?". Anyway, I think it's safe to say that knowing this, his plan was doomed from the start. If he can't keep his dragons in line after a simple conversation, trying to send them against the dragon who rules all dragons (or something close) would probably yield hilarious results.

[Soras Teva Gee]

No, I just thought it would take a bit more than "Hey, you know Igneel ? Me too ! Isn't that great ?". Anyway, I think it's safe to say that knowing this, his plan was doomed from the start. If he can't keep his dragons in line after a simple conversation, trying to send them against the dragon who rules all dragons (or something close) would probably yield hilarious results.

That's probably the point.

[Socratov]

No, I just thought it would take a bit more than "Hey, you know Igneel ? Me too ! Isn't that great ?". Anyway, I think it's safe to say that knowing this, his plan was doomed from the start. If he can't keep his dragons in line after a simple conversation, trying to send them against the dragon who rules all dragons (or something close) would probably yield hilarious results.

It wasn't so much simple conversation as atlas recognising igneels power signature. I mean, the puny human (stingrogue) might have raised a good point and a spell, but igneel is the feaking king of fire... nuff said.

[Silva Stormrage]

Frankly I got the feeling that Rogue's magic is so weak at controlling dragons because he never really tested it. From his time period the only dragon is Acnologia correct? How could he of tested his magic before? I mean most of the dragons WANT to kill all the humans so they really aren't trying all that hard to resist. I honestly would expect the dragons to kill Sting rather quickly once they had their share of destruction.

[lord_khaine]

Okay, so, turns out eating the heart theory was wrong. Natsu is still eating Atlas Flame in some way, though. Which...lets be perfectly honest, is still GOD DAMN DARK, GUYS.

Dont quite agree here, looks more like its either his magical armor or his scales thats being eaten (the equivalent to our hair), thats not dark.

There is no confirmation that it is the ONLY thing that can hurt it. The only one that really took a serious shot at a dragon with serious power was Makarov - and let's be honest, trying to punch somebody made entirely of flame is pretty stupid.

Mirajane certainly isn't acting like she can't hurt the dragon Wendy is fighting.

Well, we couldnt get any real confirmation before everything else had been tried, but the dragons were running rampage though entire guilds before the dragon slayers stepped in.

And Zirconis certainly behaved like the best Mirajane could do was to knock him back a step or 2.

No, I just thought it would take a bit more than "Hey, you know Igneel ? Me too ! Isn't that great ?". Anyway, I think it's safe to say that knowing this, his plan was doomed from the start. If he can't keep his dragons in line after a simple conversation, trying to send them against the dragon who rules all dragons (or something close) would probably yield hilarious results.

Im not so sure, remember how Acnologia started, i doubt most dragons like him.

[Forum Explorer]

This seemed surprisingly rational to me. Though I did forget about Rogue supposedly controlling the dragons but that's okay cause they did too!

[horngeek]

I think that was the point- he didn't really have control over them, that's just what he thought.

That, or he'll get to control them next chapter.