Borderlands 2

[Triscuitable]

Most of the DLC is best saved until you beat the game. I'd wait until then, and if you're still interested in the game buy it at that point.

Especially considering that Gaige is one of the hardest characters in the game to play.

[Anteros]

Personally I'm the type that picks one character and sticks with them. I never buy DLC characters because I know I'll never use them.

I guess if I found a character particularly interesting I might consider buying them to make my main character...but neither Gauge nor Krieg really interest me.

[NeoVid]

I've played Gaige and Krieg, haven't played Maya or Zer0 yet.

Wow, I'm going to need to use a spoiler box because I can't not sig this.

I'm something of a wit!

Half of one.

[factotum]

Especially considering that Gaige is one of the hardest characters in the game to play.

I thought the objective during Gaige's development was that she was supposed to be the easy character? The one that someone who rarely plays videogames could do OK with?

[Avilan the Grey]

Most of the DLC is best saved until you beat the game. I'd wait until then, and if you're still interested in the game buy it at that point.

Yeah. I am slightly underwhelmed by the game, actually, so I'll wait for now.

Pros:
Graphical design, Diablo With Guns, A lot of humor, of all kinds, pretty Meta.

Cons:
Not good enough shooter mecanics to really warrant a FPS perspective, Gender locked (knew that one already), no true single player (biggest problem being the instant respawn of enemies and the inability to actually clear an area).

I am not very far, I just got to sanctuary fooled around a bit and got my golden key. I got very disappointed by those guns btw... The Golden Ticket Key gave me two purple weapons and neither of them are better than the white shotgun I am carrying that I found at level 6 (I am now level 12, I think). It almost feels like I wasted the key, but I know it is random stats and weapon types but they still seem subpar for the level I am at.

The hitboxes (on PC) are too large, it is very hard to aim with precision. It probably has to do with it being a console port (with all that means with artificial aiming aids etc). A crosshair would be a great help.

[Alex Knight]

The hitboxes (on PC) are too large, it is very hard to aim with precision. It probably has to do with it being a console port (with all that means with artificial aiming aids etc). A crosshair would be a great help.

Aroo? All my guns have crosshairs. Granted, the empty space in the center varies depending on the gun's accuracy, but there are still crosshairs.

[Lunix Vandal]

I thought the objective during Gaige's development was that she was supposed to be the easy character? The one that someone who rarely plays videogames could do OK with?

That was one of the stated intentions of her Best Friends Forever tree, yes -- early on, it makes poor aim and health/shield management less of a handicap, and (especially later in the tree) emphasizes "press [Action Skill] to win" gameplay. Gaige's "top-tier" or "endgame" builds, however, typically revolve around her Ordered Chaos tree and its finicky (but awesome) Anarchy mechanic ... which in turn ignores, subverts, or inverts half of what other FPSes and RPGs have long held as standard.

That said, I personally adapted to Anarchy's quirks rather quickly, and my Gaige is/has having/had an easier time of things than my (admittedly undergeared) Salvador.

[Avilan the Grey]

Aroo? All my guns have crosshairs. Granted, the empty space in the center varies depending on the gun's accuracy, but there are still crosshairs.

Is it always there? I think I only see it if I aim with the right button.

[factotum]

Is it always there? I think I only see it if I aim with the right button.

It should definitely always be there, yes. There might be an option to turn it off? Can't remember, been a while since I played.

[Avilan the Grey]

It should definitely always be there, yes. There might be an option to turn it off? Can't remember, been a while since I played.

I might just be blind, too. That helps.


So, what build for a Siren who will most likely be 99,98% single player?

[ObadiahtheSlim]

Well the middle tree won't be nearly as useful since the rez ability will be wasted. You also won't have a buddy to slag your enemies. The Ruin/Converge build ignores those problems.

[Wagadodo]

Okay my take on Krieg. I am doing a completely Melee build with him. The short timer is not as big of deal when you hit his final tree on Mania Tree line. Feed the Beast is plan nasty if you are not like me and accidently hit it right before you hit your 33% health.

You can almost stay it as long as you are taking damage. Going up that tree is a BEAR and a half. Don't expect to have a lot of money. But after you hit the Feed the Beast, he is just PLAN nasty. I was taking down Bad*** constructors in four hits with Melee. Normally it would take me 5 to ten minutes to take those suckers down.

Now I just need to see which tree helps him out the most with this kind of build.

[Triscuitable]

I might just be blind, too. That helps.


So, what build for a Siren who will most likely be 99,98% single player?

Motion and Harmony. Harmony for healing, Motion for handling a lot of enemies at once. Harmony has a lot of nice Phaselock buffs in Tiers 1 and 2.

[Anteros]

The game really only shines in co-op. Plus it probably doesn't help that you're playing the games closest thing to a support character in single player.

As for the purples...they're almost certainly better. A lot of guns have benefits that may not be immediately obvious on the stat sheet.

How do you struggle with constructors? They have a GIANT crit zone. Equip a sniper or shotgun, plop down in front of them, and kill them in 20 seconds.

[Avilan the Grey]

The game really only shines in co-op. Plus it probably doesn't help that you're playing the games closest thing to a support character in single player.

As for the purples...they're almost certainly better. A lot of guns have benefits that may not be immediately obvious on the stat sheet.

As far as I understand it it is possible to build her to make as much DPS (almost) as a gunzerker, if you want.

And I know, multiplayer... I have no friends that have the game on PC, and playing with strangers is something I do not want to do.

[Triscuitable]

The game really only shines in co-op. Plus it probably doesn't help that you're playing the games closest thing to a support character in single player.

I disagree. I've been having a hell of a lot of fun playing Krieg almost exclusively in single-player, just like I did for Maya, Gaige, and Salvador.

As for the purples...they're almost certainly better. A lot of guns have benefits that may not be immediately obvious on the stat sheet.

If you check the manufacturer, then you'll know the benefits immediately. If you know about Legendary weapon effects, there's another tick to knowing which gun is better.

Hyperion: never makes ARs; Guns become more accurate as you fire them.

Maliwan: never makes ARs or shotguns; Guns are always elemental, and have the highest elemental chance and DOT.

Torgue: never makes SMGs or SRs; all guns deal contact damage and explosive damage via gyrogets. If you only hit near an enemy, they'll take the explosive damage at a slight reduction based on where they are in the splash. Shotguns are still affected by the Bee, but only with the explosive splash.

Jakobs: never makes SMGs or Launchers; all guns have an extremely high rate of fire, and are semi-automatic. This means trigger spam is encouraged.

Vladof: never makes SMGs or SRs; all guns have an extremely high rate of fire, and are fully automatic. This is offset by low accuracy and generally small magazines for the massive clip size. Launchers tend to fire less ammo per shot, which means they fire 2/3rds of a rocket instead of 1. Spinigun barrels are not exclusive to Vladof, but it is the Vladof barrel for assault rifles. They will benefit from it.

Bandit: never makes SRs; most guns by Bandits are low-damage, low-accuracy, low-ROF, extremely-high-magazine weapons. The Orks called, the Bandits answered.

How do you struggle with constructors? They have a GIANT crit zone. Equip a sniper or shotgun, plop down in front of them, and kill them in 20 seconds.

Well, they're armored, have an insane amount of HP, on higher difficulties, deal a lot more damage than normal (as in, a lot more than normal mode), and have a rather small crit zone (it's not that big) that also shoots really powerful laser beams if you get close. The jump attack is nothing to shake a stick at, either.

[Anteros]

I don't know why you would assume that I haven't played on higher difficulties. Maybe it's because I generally play as Zero with all the crit damage increase, but I find them to be one of the easiest enemies. I don't see how you can say they have a small crit zone. Literally about a fourth of their body is vulnerable to crits if you're attacking from the front.

I just run straight at them. I'll generally get knocked down into fight for your life mode, but they go down before it runs out, and I get my second wind. Much easier than sitting back plinking at them and dealing with all their spawns.

Also, I never said that it was impossible to have fun in single player...it's simply a fact that the game is made primarily to be played in co-op. I'm sure the developers of the game would tell you the very same thing.

On manufacturers: What you're saying is generally true, but there are many guns even outside of the rare and red text ones that are more than they appear simply from the label.

[Triscuitable]

On manufacturers: What you're saying is generally true, but there are many guns even outside of the rare and red text ones that are more than they appear simply from the label.

I don't think that's true. Can you cite something?

[ObadiahtheSlim]

I'd say regular constructors have very generous crits areas. The more advanced ones, like the Jet or Angel ones, are much harder. Even with 60+ anarchy, my Mechromancer can still consistently hit constructor with crits and take those limbs off.

[Triscuitable]

I'd say regular constructors have very generous crits areas. The more advanced ones, like the Jet or Angel ones, are much harder. Even with 60+ anarchy, my Mechromancer can still consistently hit constructor with crits and take those limbs off.

Those are Loaders. Constructors are the big, quadrupedal machines that spawn Loaders and shoot laser beams. The Badass Constructors are even bigger than that.

[Anteros]

I don't think that's true. Can you cite something?

What I mean is that some guns will do things you wouldn't expect just from the stat sheet. It's been a while since I've played, but I may go load the game up in a bit to see if I can find you a specific example.

[ObadiahtheSlim]

Those are Loaders. Constructors are the big, quadrupedal machines that spawn Loaders and shoot laser beams. The Badass Constructors are even bigger than that.

Right I derped there for a sec. Constructors have that giant red crit zone on the front of them. They are pretty easy to kill if you have good LOS and some cover for when your shields are down. Badass ones can be annoying because of their high HP.

[Avilan the Grey]

Anyone playing on sundays European time?

[mangosta71]

You left Dahl off your manufacturer list.

They don't make launchers or shotguns. Burst fire when aiming. (Based off memory, so subject to possible inaccuracy.) Under no circumstances should Zer0 ever even consider equipping a Dahl sniper rifle - they're terrible for any character, but particularly bad for him.

[Triscuitable]

And Tediore. I was just trying to make a point (they don't make ARs or SRs, and reload by throwing a full mag at an enemy for an explosive finish).

[Logic]

I wish Atlas was still around as a manufacturer. They had some pretty nice gear.

[factotum]

I wish Atlas was still around as a manufacturer. They had some pretty nice gear.

Which is probably why they're not around anymore--as a general rule, unless you were going for some extremely specialised build, Atlas were always the best guns to have in B1, which kind of made all the other manufacturers redundant. You get a genuine choice in B2 (though I still have no idea why Hyperion even bother manufacturing sniper rifles, with their massive aim penalty on the first shot!).

[Sith_Happens]

Atlas were always the worst guns to have in B1

FTFY. I don't think I ever found an Atlas gun that didn't have a massive negative recoil reduction and worse stats overall than an equivalent Dahl or Torgue.

[Avilan the Grey]

I tried the purple weapons last night and they were, at least against skags, worse than the "white" Torge shotgun I got several levels earlier.

Of course since I have to get close to use my power, a shotgun is more useful anyway.

[Triscuitable]

You get a genuine choice in B2 (though I still have no idea why Hyperion even bother manufacturing sniper rifles, with their massive aim penalty on the first shot!).

Because if you've got a steady hand, those first shots are tough, and the rest are dead-on with no sway at all. It makes a Sniper-spec Zer0 incredibly dangerous.