League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut

[Lix Lorn]

Well then.

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It started as normal support Sona, but when I accidentally stole 4 kills in the first 5 minutes (double on our level 2 riven's gank + 2 jungler of their walking into a green power chord), I decided "eh, why not."

AD Sona is so much fun. It took them twenty minutes to realize I was outdamaging out cait. They didn't kill me until I had 7 kills and 22 assists.

See? it's not just me.

Note to self: Max Payne-style noir narration of absolutely everything in all-chat is not acceptable Teemo play.

...I disagree very muchly.

Most items will always be relevant; that doesn't really speak volumes one way or another. You'd always rather have than not have Zhonya's and Abyssal, for instance, and there's no mage who wouldn't want Rylai's

I am surprised at you.
Anivia.

[Cogwheel]

...I disagree very muchly.

Why thank you.

Other team didn't seem to appreciate it, though.

there's no mage who wouldn't want Rylai's

Rammus.

Rammus is a mage, yes?

[Forrestfire]

See? it's not just me.

I think it may have been your post about AD sona that made me start playing her.

[Eldariel]

I am surprised at you.
Anivia.

I've built Rylai's on Anivia before, vs. hard-to-stop runny champions like Mundo, Udyr and Singed. It gives you much harder zone control with Glacial Storm and makes landing Flash Frost much easier (and Frostbite full procs it).

Rammus.

Rammus is a mage, yes?

Huh? Rylai is Core on AP Rammus.

I think it may have been your post about AD sona that made me start playing her.

AD Sona is the best Sona! Tho I maintain you're bound to build Trinity Force on her!

[Cogwheel]

Huh? Rylai is Core on AP Rammus.

True enough. Hard to land all Tremors hits without it! Does it proc off Ball Curl damage, though? Never did check.

Oh, and Zhonya's. Another great one on tanky AP Rammus (which inevitably ends up as hybrid Rammus).

[Forrestfire]

True enough. Hard to land all Tremors hits without it! Does it proc off Ball Curl damage, though? Never did check.

Oh, and Zhonya's. Another great one on tanky AP Rammus (which inevitably ends up as hybrid Rammus).

Yes it does. No one escapes AP rammus

[Eldariel]

True enough. Hard to land all Tremors hits without it! Does it proc off Ball Curl damage, though? Never did check.

Oh, and Zhonya's. Another great one on tanky AP Rammus (which inevitably ends up as hybrid Rammus).

Yeah, it procs on all damage. Not sure about Puncturing Taunt and Defensive Ball Curl tho. But yeah, the whole point of AP Rammus is to Rylai's Tremors around being a giant slowball while Slowballing people in the face and then taunting and being immortal.

[Cogwheel]

Yeah, it procs on all damage. Not sure about Puncturing Taunt and Defensive Ball Curl tho. But yeah, the whole point of AP Rammus is to Rylai's Tremors around being a giant slowball while Slowballing people in the face and then taunting and being immortal.

Played him once, but I never really went in-depth about this.

What lane is he best in? Mid or top?

[Eldariel]

Played him once, but I never really went in-depth about this.

What lane is he best in? Mid or top?

I still jungle him tho you can certainly play top Rammus. Mid Rammus is tricky but mid Jarvan and Lee work, so...

EDIT: I'm not saying playing him on lane is a good idea.

[Qwertystop]

You know what my favorite thing is? Playing Sivir and having one or more of Karthus, Caitlyn, and Nidalee on the enemy team.

Speartoss at max range? Shield it!
Bushwhack? Shield it!
Peacemaker? Shield it! (that one's a bit trickier)
Ace in the Hole? Shield it!
Requiem? That's the best of all, it gives you a timer!

[Cogwheel]

I still jungle him tho you can certainly play top Rammus. Mid Rammus is tricky but mid Jarvan and Lee work, so...

EDIT: I'm not saying playing him on lane is a good idea.

Jungling is probably best, yeah. I was just wondering about lane options. Or would bot be better?

I do mean for AP Rammus, in case that's not clear. I've got regular, sane Rammus down.

[TechnOkami]

You know what my favorite thing is? Playing Sivir and having one or more of Karthus, Caitlyn, and Nidalee on the enemy team.

Speartoss at max range? Shield it!
Bushwhack? Shield it!
Peacemaker? Shield it! (that one's a bit trickier)
Ace in the Hole? Shield it!
Requiem? That's the best of all, it gives you a timer!

I hate Sivir. One of the few champions that make me cringe whenever I see them (the other two being Diana and Jungle Shyvana, a GOOD Jungle Shyvana). Oh, Ezreal too (though luckily he's getting nerfed a little, but he's still gong to be the world's most annoying AD Carry, or one of them I should say).

[Godskook]

And once you have that chalice, the best course of action is of course finishing it into Grail instead of building another big item from scratch.

That is *NOT* always the best course of action. Knowing how to, and knowing when to do non-linear item building is a part of being good at this game. Sometimes, its ok to build Chalice early and then let it sit for a while, so you can prioritize other items.

(Ryze sees a lot more of this than other mages, what with Tear and Catalyst both being really good on him early game, but with AA Staff/BV/RoA not being hugely important rush items.).

[Lix Lorn]

Why thank you.

Other team didn't seem to appreciate it, though.

They have no taste :P

I think it may have been your post about AD sona that made me start playing her.

Awww <3

I've built Rylai's on Anivia before, vs. hard-to-stop runny champions like Mundo, Udyr and Singed. It gives you much harder zone control with Glacial Storm and makes landing Flash Frost much easier (and Frostbite full procs it)

...fair.

AD Sona is the best Sona! Tho I maintain you're bound to build Trinity Force on her!

Ghostblade, Trinity, PD, Berserkers/defence boots/IE/BT is my usual build

[Mephit]

That is *NOT* always the best course of action. Knowing how to, and knowing when to do non-linear item building is a part of being good at this game. Sometimes, its ok to build Chalice early and then let it sit for a while, so you can prioritize other items.

(Ryze sees a lot more of this than other mages, what with Tear and Catalyst both being really good on him early game, but with AA Staff/BV/RoA not being hugely important rush items.).

I was talking about Lux, but you certainly have a point.

[Forrestfire]

Ghostblade, Trinity, PD, Berserkers/defence boots/IE/BT is my usual build

I normally build like normal support, then go AD:

Faerie Charm/wards/potions -> Philo -> Boots -> Heart of Gold -> BT -> Greaves -> other AD items

I need to try Trinity as well.

[Lix Lorn]

I generally start with boots+ward+pots, and play supporty early game. Build avarice blade first and-oh hey, don't I normally get manamune? What's up with that, lixie?
(Is suddenly lost)

[Forrestfire]

I may try that. I like the straight support early game because if I don't get enough gold early on, it's generally just more efficient to continue building normally.

[Recaiden]

You know what my favorite thing is? Playing Sivir and having one or more of Karthus, Caitlyn, and Nidalee on the enemy team.

Speartoss at max range? Shield it!
Bushwhack? Shield it!
Peacemaker? Shield it! (that one's a bit trickier)
Ace in the Hole? Shield it!
Requiem? That's the best of all, it gives you a timer!

Teemo put down a mushroom? Free Mana! Yordle cupcake traps? Same thing.
I'm not sure how it interacts with Fizz's shark, but that might be fun too if you can still block the damage after being fished.

[ChaosOS]

It blocks the shark application (Just drops to your feet), or can stop the damage on you. I've only spell-shielded fizz shark 1v1 though, other times my spell shield got eaten up by other things in the teamfight.

[Silverraptor]

So, I just had an amusing comment exchange with Djinn that I would like to share.

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I went legendary.

I went legendary.

[TechnOkami]

Nice Silver.

By the way, Zombie Brand is the best thing, and I have not felt the urge to by a skin as badly since the hint of Battlecast Skarner and Surprise Party Fiddlesticks (the thing is, I don't play Brand that much, so I fear it would be the same situation with Fiddlesticks that I'm having right now, that I don't play the champion a lot because every time I do, things tend to go south).

[sonofzeal]

Time for an exciting game of Guess That Counter!

I've been doing a series of 1v1 Proving Ground matches with MrCarter11. Sometimes we can predict the results ahead of time, sometimes it's more evident in hindsight, but sometimes I have no idea if it's champion or player skill or luck or a combination. So here's three matchups for your guessing pleasure - let's see how close you are to what actually happened!


1) Master Yi vs Urgot


2) Karthus vs Ziggs


3) Cho'Gath vs Rumble



In each case, guess who won and whether it was a dominating win or a close match.

Happy guessing!

[Reinboom]

1) Master Yi vs Urgot
Master Yi, dominating. Urgot is a strange creature that works on a strange chain combo; the strange combo is obvious when it begins. Yi can just meditate at this point and negate much of Urgot's damage output.


2) Karthus vs Ziggs
Ziggs dominating but not as much as above. Ziggs can keep a consistent range advantage over and poke easier against the slow Karthus, whilst having method of keeping Karthus at bay. Karthus is also slightly easier to gank.


3) Cho'Gath vs Rumble
Close... I would guess Cho'gath due to sustain, but a smart Rumble can give Cho a bit of pain with shield over knockups and starting flamethrower before the silence hits. Still going with Cho though.

[NineThePuma]

New treeline has AI bots. :O

AND THERE'S A TRIVIA ON THE LOADING SCREEN.

[mrcarter11]

Hey now. You also need to include the amumu vs poppy match which was,, interesting.

[Godskook]

Karthus is also slightly easier to gank.

These were 1v1s on the proving grounds, so I don't think that was going to come up.

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In other news, its time to play "Name that thread", where the title's made up and comprehension won't matter.

[ZeroNumerous]

In other news, its time to play "Name that thread", where the title's made up and comprehension won't matter.

League of Legends XXXIX: More Threads Than Final Fantasies.

[ex cathedra]

In other news, its time to play "Name that thread", where the title's made up and comprehension won't matter.

Frankly, we've done this 38 times already, no one cares unless Dogmantra suggests the name. That should be pretty obvious given how far this thread's come without a suggestion. Edit: zero ****ing numerous

On that note, new thread. The name is super generic and I'll change it if a couple of people ask.

[sonofzeal]

1) Master Yi vs Urgot
Master Yi, dominating. Urgot is a strange creature that works on a strange chain combo; the strange combo is obvious when it begins. Yi can just meditate at this point and negate much of Urgot's damage output.


2) Karthus vs Ziggs
Ziggs dominating but not as much as above. Ziggs can keep a consistent range advantage over and poke easier against the slow Karthus, whilst having method of keeping Karthus at bay. Karthus is also slightly easier to gank.


3) Cho'Gath vs Rumble
Close... I would guess Cho'gath due to sustain, but a smart Rumble can give Cho a bit of pain with shield over knockups and starting flamethrower before the silence hits. Still going with Cho though.

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1) What if I told you that Urgot absolutely dominated Yi throughout the game?

2) Yep. It was the mana gains from healthpacks that saved Ziggs here, with those he could poke with impunity and secure an advantage in any eventual exchange. I was expecting Karthus's wall to be better at letting him secure kills by blocking Ziggs's escapes, but if he's been poked down too far then it's more of a "YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME" situation.

3) Rumble won this one, but not by too much. Rupture was a bigger force than Electro-Harpoon, but Junkyard Titan + Danger Zone'd Flamespitter does ridiculous damage, and Equalizer helped force some engagements. This let Rumble bully Cho around and zone him pretty effectively, and win a few all-in engagements.

Hey now. You also need to include the amumu vs poppy match which was,, interesting.

Ah, right!


4) Amumu vs Poppy