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2012-10-21, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
"Typical cis-bodied male/female"?
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2012-10-21, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
Depending on how it does it, that could actually lead to some interesting story concepts as well. If, for example, it was based in switching a chromosome and calculating the physical development that would have resulted from that, it could cause someone to discover that they had a dormant trait they did not know of (Androgen Insensitivity among others.)
Which would both be interesting from an author perspective and terrible for the characters who are thus prevented from actually achieving the change they searched. ._.
Alternatively, if it was based in hormones, it could explore the problems of the "sex is defined by Chromosomes" argument has when faced with a technology that can make everything as if the Chromosomes were different. Not that the argument makes sense, but it would be interesting to put it against a counter-example that severely harms the basis of it. :3
I personally vote that the details of how it works is left to the individual writer/group, though. Some could write stories about what effect a binary-only technology means, some about what the change itself means and others about entirely different themes! ^_^
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2012-10-21, 02:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
A few more good points here, although it has thrown up a rather large amount of gaps in my understanding of transitioning and whatnot. >.>''
The simple fact is I have no idea how the Machine would cope with partial transitioning and pregnancy. It's down to the author I guess and as I mentioned, the actual way it does the transition is completely up to you. Perhaps a woman enters the machine to transition to a man and during the process she discovers that she is pregnant and mentally touches the child growing within her and the process is stopped? Or as Rawhide suggested, perhaps the Machine has a hiccup and a man transitioning to a woman becomes pregnant "somehow" and the story revolves around where the child has come from?
I'll leave it open for a week - NaNoBlahBlah doesn't start until November anyway, so next weekend you can make the call on whether to leave or remove the fertility bit.
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2012-10-21, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
There's a fair bit that could be argued such that what you're railing against is more due to people's pigheadedness than the idea of male and female without intersex qualities or conditions.
Hey, that's my line.
I know that. I'm just pointing out that it's a ready problem for any stories. Just what happened to those executives and how did it get stuck with that name?
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It's not because of some flaw unique to homophobes that they're hateful cusses, no, that flaw is common to all humans, even those who pay lip-service to enlightened ideals.
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2012-10-21, 02:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
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2012-10-21, 02:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
"I'm just going on motive and opportunity here and the fact that if the earth got swallowed by a black hole, I'd look suspiciously in your direction first."
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2012-10-21, 02:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-21, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-21, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-21, 03:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, that escalated quickly.
Buttons? Why, sir, in this Computamagorical, Informatographical Day And Age, we have procedurally generated algorithms for that sort of thing!
Also, link no work. Also, also, gonads would need to open up a sub-menu somehow or instead be split into two options, since all gonads means is gamete-producing, which covers male and female gametes.
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2012-10-21, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
It works for me. Also cassie, due to a minor malfunction pressing the boobs button several times actually give you several sets of boobs. Sorry about that.
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2012-10-21, 03:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-21, 03:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
I suppose that gives sudden and horrifyingly new meaning to the term "boomer."
No idea?SpoilerI suppose that would open up quite the ghoulish chain of possibilities...
Where does this handy contraption get all that lovely biomass? And where does it spirit what it takes away, still writhing with vitae?
Oh, the things that man was not meant to know...
Mmm, dat lack of bioethics. Maybe it's the Echo Bazaar I've been playing talking, but I'm seeing all manner of... possibilities both gothical and most macabre.
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2012-10-21, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-21, 04:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-21, 04:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
*sigh* and there's apparently more drama in the LGBT society at uni.
And of course, the usual people going on about cis-straight people not being welcome to have opinions.
Glad I decided when I got to uni not to join the soc... didn't seem welcoming to anyone wanting to find out more about people and how they work; and talking to and reading what friends have to say about it, seems the drama never ends.
Depressing, really."I'm just going on motive and opportunity here and the fact that if the earth got swallowed by a black hole, I'd look suspiciously in your direction first."
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2012-10-21, 04:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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^: A pity, that. :/ I have to wonder how much of the drama ultimately derives from members' romantic aspirations viz. their fellows, though...
Well, it's no "All You Zombies," but I can dig it.SpoilerGhoulishly shunting a fetal human in stasis from one body to another is rather sensationalist, after all.
Though something ghoulish would provide a bit of backstory in how the pump was primed...
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2012-10-21, 04:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-21, 04:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll bite. This sounds like a really cool concept. I think I'd probably go with bicurious cismale and heterosexual transwoman. Or maybe mostly gay cismale and homosexual transman so I can actually write the mushy parts.
Tiresias is a little cheater!
I'd say that it would work like everything was right on a macro level, but on the cell level, the gametes simply don't work how they are supposed to, this glitch can be fixed in some stories and not in others.
Also, important to my style of writing, but is there going to be a preface that explains the Aphrodite machine? Because if there is, I don't want to burn 200-400 or so words on explaining it. Then I can just use a 50-150 word part expressing the appropriate relevance.
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2012-10-21, 05:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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All You Zombies, the Robert Heinlein shortstory.
That's a bit crude, I'm sure something more inventive could be arranged.
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2012-10-21, 05:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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... It would be good if that was true. Then we could just fix it! Also, some people.
Well, it sucks that he did that, but on the bright side, the worst is over! Also, now you know to be clear about who gets to know when you tell him things...
Interesting idea! I doubt I'll get time to write, but maybe I'll draw a picture, and I'd certainly love to read other people's stories!
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2012-10-21, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Color me incredulous, but I find the notion of prejudice being okay so long as its against a power group irrational. And upsetting. This is my knee.
It took it five years to stop turning purple in the winter. It took me four months to stop walking with a limp. The idea that this is a lesser infraction because I'm white and was chased down the street with sticks and rocks by hispanics, than if the ethnicities were reversed, is disturbing. There is no way to say you're going to pick which branch of sexism or racism or homophobia or whatever to fight an which are okay for now without sounding hypocritical.
Racism isn't slurs and words. it's being chased by teenagers because you took a bath this morning and now you don't look Latino. I skid a good four or five feet on my right knee, bloody and crying and they still chased me. If it weren't for a Latino family taking me in, scaring off the gang and their eldest son walking me home, I woul probably be just as damn racist.
Racism is hate. Not annoyance, or words. It's actions. It's belittling someone until they break. It's only hiring a black worker to do menial labor. It's liking the white kid out of a grocery store because the black guy ranting about the white devil polluting the sanctity of the establishment was a regular customer, and none of the employees were Caucasian so no harm no foul right? It's two friends, one spontaneously beating the other while his family cheers because they heard the break-in down the street was perpetrated by white people, so the white kid deserved it, even if he was at their son's birthday party two weeks ago.
"it's less of a problem" is a dismissal. It's the same as "it's not really a problem". And something not being real prejudice because it happens to a group you're less invested in protecting is a No True Scotsman fallacy. I'm white. People think I'm male. So there are some issues I haven't had to worry about. Like being denied employ at an overnight shift because of my fairer sex. but I have had keep my distance for hours, hoping, praying an adult would walk by I could scream at because I lived in a latino neighborhood and my clothes were too nice for a gringo to have, and some kids on bikes circled the tree I climbed.
In no way is any kind of prejudice at that level okay. And no, this isn't a blank check for people to cry prejudice and get off the hook. But if one cannot practice discernment over the degree of slight, that is one's business to tend to.
It is a device designed by cismen, most likely. Isn't that the default for science fiction? Straight, white, 40s or 50s, dour?
I like the idea that a trans woman could just get a uterus transplant and be able to give birth through the proper canal. I dot know that I would; I am okay with spawning organically with the equipment I have, so infertility would be no big loss. It would be nice, but.
Oh! Non working gonads means just that, so it's possible for Lix to store up genetic data, find a willing lass, and go through insemination. Then she still gets pregnancy, birthing, and her own genetics.
I also find it interesting that trans women who want to keep their penis came up. If the machine creates a version closer to ideal, then transforming from male
Body to female body to make body would produce a decidedly more feminine male body. You gain your ideal form (female) but the machine expressly avoids losing any of the ideal, except where it runs counter to the sex alteration.
This means a ladyboy woul change only in that she would go from an outie to an innie and back. Breasts aren't really female sex traits solely, after all.
Aye, ditto. Thinking about procreating with men with a working uterus kinda makes me panic. Which is odd since I currently have less stigma with doing so. So I don't think fertility would be anything but a waste on me.
I think it would actually lead to transgender blindness. In the same way bisexuals are heterosexuals who are trying to be exotic, and demisexuals are heterosexuals who feel like special snowflakes, a transsexual would just be tat guy up doesn't take off his costume for a few days after a costume party. "Okay, Dave, seriously. I know your comfortable but we need you to wear your man-body at work. That's how you're licensed an the company wot pay another fine of we are audited. They are going to let you go."
Of course, I've never read a positive science fiction book in my life. So it's possible it would be a utopia but I don't see that as a novel, so much as a mental exercise or wish-fulfillment fanfic.
*hugs!*
I'm sorry. Some people are just really bad at seeing things outside their perspective.
pregnancy would probably lead to termination, unfortunately.
Which means the machine is more fun if the infertility clause is a misnomer; some people come out fertile, but since they are now homosexual (not changing preferred partners) no one noticed. Women get screened before use to make sure nothing untoward happens, and eventually people catch on, but not before the protagonist finds out his weekend trip as a woman is goin to last a full year, he's pregnant (it's a girl!) and his work and family didn't know; he's here user a fake name because he put it on the corporate account as a business expense.
... Sounds like a plot for a Mage game. Heh.
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2012-10-21, 05:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
It has absolutely nothing to do with anything like that at all. My point is that there is absolutely nothing ghoulish about it, no stasis, no transportation. I have no idea where any of that came from.
It is pure, plain and simple, taking the semen from yourself, swapping sexes, then conceiving. Something that quite commonly done today but with two people.
The question is, what would the offspring be like and what issues would there be with such a pregnancy?
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2012-10-21, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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The idea of having someone go in pregnant, come out a man with no uterus or fetus, and then someone else go in to gain a uterus only to find that this one came pre-packaged with an embryonic human in it can definitely take a ghoulish turn, which is what I was referencing still, part as an aside, part as coming at you sideways. Mostly because this is what was first being talked about, then you mentioned your take and I admitted that the ghoulishness angle was a bit sensationalist and probably rather silly too.
I know what artificial insemination and turkey basters are, and I'm still rather sure that they could come up with some better material than that if they can make a machine like that. After all, it is a bit of a messy thing.
At a bit of a risk of recessive traits becoming exaggerated, if I recall my genetics. The child is one's self and yet... not. I can't imagine the genetic similarity providing any challenges compared to a child that only has half of one's genetic information, save from something macabre like the body thinking the developing human is part of the body and needs to be reabsorbed, but I think the uterus and placenta are already set up to preclude that anyway from what I remember from human reproduction, though it's been quite a while.
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2012-10-21, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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@Siuis:
SpoilerOkay, you're right actually, I'm not actually fine with being treated badly just because I am part of a majority, white or cis or whatever. Whenever it happened (only online, fortunately, so walking away and forgetting all about it was an easy option), I felt hurt, because of all the traits I have that could have been criticized, they chose one that I have no control over.
However, I consider that much less distressing than being subjected to the same treatment because I am part of a minority. I also happen to be (ethnically) Jewish. It's rather obvious when one knows my last name (which nobody seems to even bother to spell properly anyway, safe for those few people who have an even more complicated name), and I sometimes wonder worriedly if it's something that you can see on my face, however it is that people might detect that. (That's even more silly given I don't believe, I don't practice, and I consider bacon as a major food group. I'm not flaunting it in anyone's face.) We don't have happy stories on that side of the family. I've already heard slurs that were not directed at me, but that still hurt. I'm not even mentioning the antisemitism that I feel is rising in certain places. Living in a very culturally diverse neighbourhood, the only people who ever actively threatened me were white, and half of them skinheads.
So, I prefer to be insulted for being white than insulted for being Jewish. The two often go together, at least in the Western world, and are equally unchangeable, but the latter has a much more evident history of hate behind it, and an alarming amount of people has the aberrant idea Jewishness is a privilege by itself (see whatever conspiracy theory of your choice). At least it is proven that being white, as opposed to non-white all other things being equal, brings privilege in most case. I don't want to put "Jewish" on the list of things I identify as, but it always gets thrown on my face again whenever relevant bad news or slurs happen, like an ancestral fear. It's a part of me I still have no idea how to deal with, as it is an odd mix of race and religion, and the two don't seem to be able to be separated neatly and completely.
Perhaps I've spent too much time in the presence of SJ fanatics, I wouldn't rule it out. What happened to you shouldn't have happened, and I absolutely did not mean to imply it was okay in any way. Sorry if I upset you.
Well, that must mean that now I've liberated myself from toxic mindsets, I've got to spend some time figuring out by myself what's okay and what's not. It's even more difficult considering I'm the kind to question my values and knowledge constantly.
(I still hate with passion the "die cis scum" thing. That must be a hint I'm not hopeless yet.)Originally Posted by on Dwarf Fortress succession gamesOriginally Posted by Dwarf Fortress 0.40.01 bugs
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2012-10-21, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitp 27: Of Shoes, and Ships, and Sealing Wax
@Siuis: I'm sorry you've had to deal with all that.
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I'm just really weary of the notion of male and female bodies and certain bodies being more male / female than others because it creates dangerous dichotomies. I've come into contact with "more trans than thou" arguments a lot more than I feel comfortable with cause of notions like that. Just a general remark, not addressing anyone in particular.
Then again, I also see very little reason for the concept of sex to exist. On a medical level it's far too inaccurate; they'll need more detailed information anyway. On a legal level (at least in a society with marriage equality) it serves no function either.
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Coidzor: Do you think you could try to be more clear about what you mean in the future? The way you jump around without context will/does only lead to confusion.
For instance, taking this conversation as an example, you quoted my line about artificial insemination, then immediately launched into a discussion about ghoulish stasis procedures without so much as a segue. It would be a good idea if you tried to explain yourself and what you mean better. If you had started off with something like "Ah, I had been thinking [...]" in the spoiler, it would make it obvious that it was about something different, but related, which you had thought previously.
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2012-10-21, 08:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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I posted a chart here a thread or two ago. Many people I've shown this to wanted another triangle and descriptions, so I've added those. I figured I'd update it here as well...
People are expected to not identify all the way in a triangle's corner in most cases. They could be close, but it's a fluid scale that's more descriptive than the corners could ever be on their own. (Or at least, that's the goal.) Ideally, everyone should have one dot on each triangle. If you're aware of a case for which that's impossible, I'd like to know of your example, as that may influence adjusting the chart.
Also, better terminology for my definitions or shorter ways to say precisely what I mean are certainly welcome. (As well as other bits of critique/advice/etc...)
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