Non magical flying fighter build

**PurpleSocks** · 2012-10-13, 04:26 AM (ISO 8601)

Hi, im trying to create a front line melee fighter who can fly naturally (not interested in the avian race). The essential idea is a tough guy who flies around with a reach weapon stabbing everyone in the face or launching dive attacks but is equally good at standing still and being a good little meat shileld.

I can't use a level adjustment and I don't know whether going dragonborn and taking wings or dragonwrought kobold is the way to go.

Can kobolds make good fighters and the like even with the racial subs? Should I burn feats on reinforced and heavy wings or just max out dex? Are there any other races that I'm missing? Has anyone played something like this before who can offer advice?

Any advice would be appreciated :)

**HunterOfJello** · 2012-10-13, 05:24 AM (ISO 8601)

Due to your desire for a non-magical means, I assume that you want physical wings on this creatures back.

There are a few ways to obtain this. The better the flying maneuverability, the far better the fly-fighting will be.

Do you want only races that come with wings through natural wings or would you be fine with obtaining wings from grafts? There are some cheap grafts that give you wings, if I remember correctly.

**PurpleSocks** · 2012-10-13, 06:06 AM (ISO 8601)

By non magical I mean not an item or spell. A spell like ability would be fine but I'm not aware of one.

Grafts would be cool assuming its something a mid level character could obtain (level 5-7).

**JeminiZero** · 2012-10-13, 06:12 AM (ISO 8601)

Some methods for no LA non-magical flight:
1) Dragonborn Template.
2) Any Dragonblooded subtype with Dragonwings and Improved Dragonwings feat. Includes Kobolds, but you can also include various Dragonblooded races such as Silverbrow Human.
3) Raptoran race (is this what you were referring to as Avian race?)

IIRC the only cheap graft (Feathered Wings) requires you to be evil.

**Diovid** · 2012-10-13, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)

Raptoran (Races of the Wild) get a non-magical fly ability. They even get Fighter substitution levels and the Stormtalon prc which are based around fighting while flying.

**Devmaar** · 2012-10-13, 08:13 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by JeminiZero

Some methods for no LA non-magical flight:
1) Dragonborn Template.
2) Any Dragonblooded subtype with Dragonwings and Improved Dragonwings feat. Includes Kobolds, but you can also include various Dragonblooded races such as Silverbrow Human.
3) Raptoran race (is this what you were referring to as Avian race?)

IIRC the only cheap graft (Feathered Wings) requires you to be evil.

Doesn't actually require you to be evil, just turns you evil if you're neutral and drives you insane if you're good

**Dusk Eclipse** · 2012-10-13, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)

I don't think you will be able to afford the Feathered Wings graft, the cost about 10,000 gp and if you get your will save to the point you can make a DC 15 save on everything; but a 1 you can be exalted (well almost) and still get the wings without turning insane/evil. A Ring of Diamond Mind with Moment of the perfect mind plus some Concentration optimization (full ranks [10], a decent con score [+2] and a masterwork tool [+2]) you can make the save on a 1.

I also suggest a ToB class and fly-by-attack, using a Dragon blooded race and Dragon wings+ Improved Dragon wings. (I suggest a Silverblood Human or maybe a Forestlord elf for access to Eternal Blade).

**Annos** · 2012-10-13, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)

Make him a Silverbrow human and give him the dragon wings feat.

**Novawurmson** · 2012-10-13, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)

If you're interested in PF content, several races can pick up wings through a series of feats since the Advanced Race Guide; off the top of my head, Aasimar and Sylphs (air outsider heritage); your DM might be willing to adapt a similar feat.

**nedz** · 2012-10-13, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)

Half Fey LA+2, plus you get lots of other SLA goodies.

**Gavinfoxx** · 2012-10-13, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)

There are actually several grafts that get you wings. I prefer Zelekhut Wings, so you don't have to be evil.

**StreamOfTheSky** · 2012-10-13, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Novawurmson

If you're interested in PF content, several races can pick up wings through a series of feats since the Advanced Race Guide; off the top of my head, Aasimar and Sylphs (air outsider heritage); your DM might be willing to adapt a similar feat.

Or you could just be a Strix and have wings right from level 1.

**eggs** · 2012-10-13, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)

Something like Barbarian 1/Holy Warrior Paladin of Freedom 4/Hellreaver 10/X* 5 can be a pretty slick build without using spellcasting, using Intimidation feat combos for lockdown, Animal Devotion for flight and rage for damage output (and furious strikes, in rounds that swift actions haven't been used for defense).

*Crusader is probably best, but there are a lot of classes that can fill n the spaces without much trouble - Witch Slayer, Binder/Knight of the Sacred Seal, Outcast Champion, Battlerager and Wildrunner work fairly well, and I have to admit a soft spot for Storm Sentinel and Shadow Hunter.

**HunterOfJello** · 2012-10-13, 02:59 PM (ISO 8601)

The cheapest and fastest way would be the Unseelie Fey template which gives you wings with a speed of twice your base creature's land speed. They have Average maneuverability (which isn't great, but is decent) and it all comes at the cost of (a possibly mislabeled) +0 LA.

Unseelie Fey also gives DR that scales by level and a form of improved vision chosen/rolled from a table.

**nedz** · 2012-10-13, 04:51 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by HunterOfJello

The cheapest and fastest way would be the Unseelie Fey template which gives you wings with a speed of twice your base creature's land speed. They have Average maneuverability (which isn't great, but is decent) and it all comes at the cost of (a possibly mislabeled) +0 LA.

Unseelie Fey also gives DR that scales by level and a form of improved vision chosen/rolled from a table.

Where is this from ?
It does look like very good value for +0 LA

**Riverdance** · 2012-10-13, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)

The simplest course would probably be to invent the jetpack. Shouldn't be too hard. I mean, rocket fuel's in the player's handbook right?

**eggs** · 2012-10-13, 06:20 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by nedz

Where is this from ?
It does look like very good value for +0 LA

It's in the Dragon Magazine Compendium. Unseelie Fey doesn't have a listed LA, but the +0 is derived from the example gnome stat block that leaves the creature's LA unchanged from the Monster manual.

As far as looking extraordinarily good for a free template, it is.

**nedz** · 2012-10-13, 06:50 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by eggs

It's in the Dragon Magazine Compendium. Unseelie Fey doesn't have a listed LA, but the +0 is derived from the example gnome stat block that leaves the creature's LA unchanged from the Monster manual.

As far as looking extraordinarily good for a free template, it is.

And nothing in the Errata about it.

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