Bleach VI: We Want Our Baby Bach Ribs (Aizen pull)

[LaZodiac]

When Rukia gave Ichigo her powers, he took them all because of his Quincy stuff. Maybe it sort of copied Isshun's zanpakuto, aided by his inner hollow, and that's why they're so similar?

I figured that's what happened, more or less. Ichigo got the FORM of his Shinigami powers from his Dad, but Rukia activated them.

[The Troubadour]

A new chapter happened, but I don't think anyone noticed.

Actually, people have been commenting on the new chapter for the last one and a half pages.

[danzibr]

When Rukia gave Ichigo her powers, he took them all because of his Quincy stuff. Maybe it sort of copied Isshun's zanpakuto, aided by his inner hollow, and that's why they're so similar?

Did he have an inner hollow then? I thought he got it during the recovery from Byakuya's attack/Urahara thing.

[LaZodiac]

Did he have an inner hollow then? I thought he got it during the recovery from Byakuya's attack/Urahara thing.

Well, he's Vizered, so I think he has to have an Inner Hollow. Unless they are different things.

Oh, right, I think they are. Inner Hollow just means that he's actually capable of becoming Hollow while still alive, right?

[thubby]

Well, he's Vizered, so I think he has to have an Inner Hollow. Unless they are different things.

Oh, right, I think they are. Inner Hollow just means that he's actually capable of becoming Hollow while still alive, right?

we havent seen him mask up since final getsuga.

am i the only one a little disappointed with how that whole hollow thing turned out? like, i expected him to harness that power eventually, but the whole conflict seemed less... visceral than i was hoping.

[LaZodiac]

we havent seen him mask up since final getsuga.

am i the only one a little disappointed with how that whole hollow thing turned out? like, i expected him to harness that power eventually, but the whole conflict seemed less... visceral than i was hoping.

You mean like how every power Ichigo has ever gotten turned out in the past (that wasn't part of his main basic set)?

No, you're not the only one.

[Turalisj]

Ichigo's path plays out like someone with their first dungeons and dragons character. Except they aren't sure what class to take, so they keep multiclassing into different things. And the DM is their boy/girlfriend, so all the other players kinda get pushed to the side.

I think that's the best analogy that could be made for Bleach.

[VanBuren]

Well, he's Vizered, so I think he has to have an Inner Hollow. Unless they are different things.

Oh, right, I think they are. Inner Hollow just means that he's actually capable of becoming Hollow while still alive, right?

Yeah, but I don't think he had one at the beginning of the series. He got it during that first time he regained his powers, after Rukia was taken back to Soul Society.

we havent seen him mask up since final getsuga.

am i the only one a little disappointed with how that whole hollow thing turned out? like, i expected him to harness that power eventually, but the whole conflict seemed less... visceral than i was hoping.

It kinda makes sense, IMO. What we saw with the Hollow/Shinigami divide--and to a lesser extent with Fullbring--is that a lot of the distinctions between powersets are either artificial, or at least not as rigid as is commonly believed. Ichigo's Shinigami and Hollow powers ended up being two different manifestations of the same power, and Kubo mentioned that Ichigo's new look is a result of the remnants of his Fullbring merging with his Shinigami powers, implying that they're not incompatible. I suspect we're going to see the same thing with Ichigo's Quincy powers.

Ultimately, I think what's going to end up being the case is that Ichigo is going to be able to use all of these abilities, but that anyone theoretically could do the same. Ichigo will just be the first being to have had the opportunity to learn them all.

[Morph Bark]

Regarding the timeline, assuming Ichigo just turned 17 then the flashback is probably about 17 years and 9 months ago.

I don't think they'll shag that quickly after meeting.

[danzibr]

I don't think they'll shag that quickly after meeting.

But Isshin's such a manly, charming man. :P

Yeah I was j/k. Glad someone picked up on it.

[LaZodiac]

I don't think they'll shag that quickly after meeting.

Well, Isshun seems to be a bit of a pervert, so I kind of don't want to discredit it TO much. Also, again, I'm still under the impression Bach is actually Ichigo's father, so maybe she's pregnant at the time with him?

[Turalisj]

Well, Isshun seems to be a bit of a pervert, so I kind of don't want to discredit it TO much. Also, again, I'm still under the impression Bach is actually Ichigo's father, so maybe she's pregnant at the time with him?

I'm still going with Ichigo being Bach's nephew. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense for Ichigo to have the same looks as Kaien Shiba (at least Isshin being a Shiba means the chance of familiar looks more likely than being a random schmuck who just so happens to look similar).

Not only that, why would Ichigo's zanpakuto hold such a similarity to someone who is only his surrogate father, rather than true father?

No, I think we can strike Bach = Ichigo's dad from the epileptic grove.

[Morph Bark]

Obviously Ichigo has two dads.

With a 50/50 chance of Misaki being his mother, also.

[LaZodiac]

I'm still going with Ichigo being Bach's nephew. Otherwise, it wouldn't make sense for Ichigo to have the same looks as Kaien Shiba (at least Isshin being a Shiba means the chance of familiar looks more likely than being a random schmuck who just so happens to look similar).

Not only that, why would Ichigo's zanpakuto hold such a similarity to someone who is only his surrogate father, rather than true father?

No, I think we can strike Bach = Ichigo's dad from the epileptic grove.

He was raised by Isshun, so he grew up to resemble him to a degree even if they aren't family by blood. It happens!

Because Ichigo, being a Quincy, sucks up reitasu. Perhaps as a child he unknowingly sucked up his Dad's power over time.

But ok. We'll see. I'm still holding out that they are atleast related, because this is Bleach and it's the type of twist Bleach would pull.

[Turalisj]

He was raised by Isshun, so he grew up to resemble him to a degree even if they aren't family by blood. It happens!

Because Ichigo, being a Quincy, sucks up reitasu. Perhaps as a child he unknowingly sucked up his Dad's power over time.

But ok. We'll see. I'm still holding out that they are atleast related, because this is Bleach and it's the type of twist Bleach would pull.

Isshin looks nothing like Kaien. That theory still fails.

Quincy powers are fairly ill-defined and ambiguous. There's really any theory that can be BS'd in here. Until we hear the whole story, guessing on that is just guessing. Give it 2-3 months until we have the whole story.

Still calling it that Bach is either Ichigo's uncle or is Misaki's father. The Spirit King is Isshin's father.

[Tenno Seremel]

Maybe it's one of those "better he finds out on his own" things that the Soul Society is known to be stupid about.

Since Shiba is fallen house, maybe they didn't want to associate with them openly… or something.

[LaZodiac]

Isshin looks nothing like Kaien. That theory still fails.

Quincy powers are fairly ill-defined and ambiguous. There's really any theory that can be BS'd in here. Until we hear the whole story, guessing on that is just guessing. Give it 2-3 months until we have the whole story.

Still calling it that Bach is either Ichigo's uncle or is Misaki's father. The Spirit King is Isshin's father.

Truth be told I completely forget who Kaien is.

Ok! I'm just throwing ideas around and all.

[thethird]

Isshin looks nothing like Kaien. That theory still fails.

Ichigo looks like Kaien.

I guess that was the similarity that was trying to be pulled. Even if Isshin doesn't look like Kaien. I resemble more my cousin than I resemble my father (for example).

[Kaez]

This weeks chapter actually had a few things happen.

Isshen was/is a Shiba, we could speculate that he is Kaien's father.

We learned what division he was in

And of course, we already knew Aizen was a minipulative sob :P

Important, no, but answers peoples questions.

[Macros]

I was a bit surprised by the end of the chapter, actually, it looked like a "DUN DUN DUN, Aizen's the bad guy !". Well, yeah...

As for the rest... the chapter was not bad, but I fully expect to have my teeth cringe a few time before we're done with this flashback. Frankly, all this "don't you see ? We're ALL related !" is kind of a pet peeve of mine.

[HandofShadows]

Ichigo looks like Kaien.

I guess that was the similarity that was trying to be pulled. Even if Isshin doesn't look like Kaien. I resemble more my cousin than I resemble my father (for example).

I think Isshin when he was younger looked more like Kaien than he does now.

[darksolitaire]

Isshen was/is a Shiba, we could speculate that he is Kaien's father.

Kaien was Ganju's and Kuukaku's brother, so I don't really think that idea works, as there's really nothing hinting at it in the manga. Also, Kaien is probably at least 150 years old.

[HandofShadows]

Because Ichigo, being a Quincy, sucks up reitasu. Perhaps as a child he unknowingly sucked up his Dad's power over time.

I think Quincies manipulate/use reitasu more than absorb it. Hollows clearly suck up reitasu. Ichigo produces reitasu, at a level higher than many Soul Reapers despite still being alive. One more reason that I call BS when Nimaiya says Ichigo isn't a "true" Soul Reaper. I also think he is either lying or dead wrong about no Soul Reaper being able to awken their zanpakuto without his help. Hyorinmaru woke up for Hitsugaya while he was very young, long before he got any sword at the Academy.

[SlyGuyMcFly]

Kaien was Ganju's and Kuukaku's brother, so I don't really think that idea works, as there's really nothing hinting at it in the manga. Also, Kaien is probably at least 150 years old.

Kaien is Isshin's father, then?

[The Troubadour]

Kaien is Isshin's father, then?

I think it was implied that Isshin is Kuukaku and Ganju's uncle.

Hyorinmaru woke up for Hitsugaya while he was very young, long before he got any sword at the Academy.

I think it fits what Nimaiya said: Hyorinmaru has always been a part of Hitsugaya ("Hitsugaya's power", as Zangetsu would have said), but it takes an asauchi for it to fully manifest in the form of Hyorinmaru, the zanpakuto.

[Anteros]

Ichigo's path plays out like someone with their first dungeons and dragons character. Except they aren't sure what class to take, so they keep multiclassing into different things. And the DM is their boy/girlfriend, so all the other players kinda get pushed to the side.

I think that's the best analogy that could be made for Bleach.

You could make that statement for almost any protagonist in literature.

[Ramza00]

Isshen was/is a Shiba, we could speculate that he is Kaien's father.

It is unlikely that Kaien and Isshin share a father/son relationship since Isshin is part of the branch member of the house of shiba (we found this out during this most recent manga). To be a branch member that means Isshin and Kaien are uncles/cousins at best. The only way for Isshin to go from a branch house member to main house member is if the main house is exterminated/dies.

Kaien on the other hand is a main member of house shiba.

[Mando Knight]

I think it fits what Nimaiya said: Hyorinmaru has always been a part of Hitsugaya ("Hitsugaya's power", as Zangetsu would have said), but it takes an asauchi for it to fully manifest in the form of Hyorinmaru, the zanpakuto.

I think this is part of the reason why an Asauchi couldn't help Ichigo... Zangetsu manifested without an Asauchi.

[Drolyt]

What was that a few chapters back where in the mangastream translation Yhwach said Ichigo was his son? Could one of you who know some Japanese comment on that?

You could make that statement for almost any protagonist in literature.

Your high school literature classes failed you.

[Turalisj]

You could make that statement for almost any protagonist in literature.

Name five classic works. I bet you can't.